Official Brad Haddin thread - don't start any more

[Kickett Punches Read]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Played a brilliant knock in that first Saffer Series, but he stills constantly fails when it matters.

I still say it's a concentration thing, he always gets out early, or around a break in play.

When he came in today, we needed a steady hand for a while, just to settle the ship.

Same with Haddin, **** him the most though.

the way haddin gets out at important moments is unforgivable. clarke must want to tear him a new one... hopefully he does

 

[Cleavy]

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the way haddin gets out at important moments is unforgivable. clarke must want to tear him a new one... hopefully he does

he won't

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

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Time to rebuild for mine.

There are a number of guys knocking at the door that should be given opportunities over the rest of the summer at the expense of the older guys and blokes that are out of form.

 

[71" GF]

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Be great to have an allrounder in the mix of Watson's ability who can actually bowl big spells without breaking down.Having to fill in overs with a bowler of Hussey's type is always going to leave us struggling just when sustained pressure on the batsman is needed.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

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Been down this path before, with good reason. I wonder if the new selectors will take a different view, but with Clarke on the panel of selectors, I doubt that we've seen the last of Haddin at test level.

 

[djrossie16]

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The two players who deserve to be dropped are: Hughes and Haddin.

the next three in line

Khawaja is shakey early and looks vulnerable.

Ponting has deserved to be dropped for a while now so why would they make a move now. He clearly is in the team until he wants.

Hussey hasn't done much since the first 3 tests in the Ashes and still looks incredibly iffey early.


Haddin Ponting and Hussey should all retire from test cricket this summer.

 

[The Grover]

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Haddin has to go because there are clearly better options.

I'm not sure you can say the same for Ponting.

Anyone in grade cricket is a better option than Ponting, after all Brownlie was a grade cricketer.

Warner showed how easy it is.

Out: Ponting, Hughes, Haddin

In: Watson, Marsh, Wade

 

[Badesumofu]

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Warner
Cowan
Marsh
Khawaja
Clarke
Watson
Paine/Wade
Siddle
Harris
Pattinson
Lyon

That might be too many changes Test-to-Test, but that's where I'd like to be by the end of the Summer. Cummins comes in when 100% fit for whoever is the worst performed of those 3 quicks between now and when Cummins is fit to go.

I've said for a while that I don't care how old Hussey is, he can stay as long as he makes runs. Well, he has stopped making runs, and he has already had his 'persist with him for a bit, he'll come good' period, so he goes straight out. Ponting clarified for me, that he has to go now, by the way he got out in the second innings. Just ridiculous. His strokeplay is still some of the best around, but he is too prone to getting out.

Haddin just has to go. The ways he got out in both innings of this match are just not acceptable. All he needed to do today was not get out and let the runs come. He got lucky, but then got out the next ball. For me that says he just doesn't learn, doesn't have the temperament for Test Cricket. His keeping is only okay, and there are several clearly better options in the country. I can only assume that they want Paine to be the next keeper, so they have Haddin keeping the seat warm until Paine is ready to go.

Hughes clearly must go, and now. He's the only one that I'm confident will be dropped for Boxing Day, because you obviously can't drop Warner. Khawaja is not undroppable, but I'd keep him ahead of some others. Marsh and Watson have to come back, and they will probably drop Usman and Hughes to bring them in, and I don't really have a problem with that, even though personally I'd keep him.

If Harris is right, then Starc will make way. Pretty simple you'd have to say. Some chance Christian will come in if Watson is not right, but that's unlikely. I'd really like to see Cowan get a go, he seems like exactly the kind of guy we need opening at the moment. If he was opening instead of Hughes in this Hobart Test, we probably would have won. We only needed one guy to hang around with Warner, who made half the target off his own bat, and you'd have backed Cowan to do it. He knows how to play Bellerive, but it's too late for that now.

 

[JUBJUB]

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It's time that the selectors make some decisions now before the next test series. Brad Haddin has shown time and time again an inability to control his shot making. He needs to go now and make way for a new keeper like Wade to establish himself.

Ponting and Hussey must also depart at the end of the Australian summer. It's not just about their form but also a question about the future of Ausralian cricket.

Yep Haddin has to go.He tries playing T20 shots when they aren't needed.
Hussey should go for the next Test and that could allow Watson to bat in the middle order [if fit].The selectors won't have the guts to drop Ponting,so hopefully he does the sensible thing and announces that the Boxing Day test will be his last.

 

[aussierulesrules]

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Time to rebuild for mine.

There are a number of guys knocking at the door that should be given opportunities over the rest of the summer at the expense of the older guys and blokes that are out of form.

I would agree if it was NZ, or West Indies, or Sri Lanka or someone like that coming out here next, but it's India. Do we throw the new ones to the wolves against a cricketing powerhouse, without much experience there to guide them (as they'd be the ones making way for them in the team)?
I doubt they'll do that initially and expect they'll keep Hussey, Punter and Haddin for at least the start of that series, knowing that if they don't perform and if the team gets flogged, it won't matter so much (to the national team) if they experience a demoralising loss or two, as they won't be playing again, so it won't matter (to those selecting the side) what happens to their confidence. They wouldn't want the new ones to experience that, though, as it could really stunt their development and confidence (if they were involved in thumping, demoralizing losses). So they'll probably try to shield them from that, by keeping the 3 named in there, also knowing that, if they fail consistently against India, it will make it doubly easy for them to no longer be picked for Australia.
I'd say this will be the last chances for the likes of Hussey, Punter and Haddin, though. If they don't perform against India then they'll most likely be out of there, with Clarke wanting to keep his mates in there the only thing potentially delaying that from happening.

 

[Hodgepodge]

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Ponting, Haddin, Hussey, Hughes, out. Too many passengers to carry into a test series against India.

 

[King Elvis]

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the way haddin gets out at important moments is unforgivable. clarke must want to tear him a new one... hopefully he does

He's just playing his natural game, he'd rather he did that, than bat 'timidly' just because the team might need him to.

 

[Spitta09]

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We need Watson back against India badly, one of the best cricketers in the world in my books. Just a shame with all the injury problems he has had throughout his career.

I am happy to persist with Khwaja for at least the boxing day test. I would rather he be in the side than Ponting.. he is 12 years younger for a start and has shown he can occupy the crease as long as Ponting and i think off the top of my head may have made as many runs as he over the past few matches.
Haddin and Hughes are goners.
Hussey is on extremely thin ice but expect him to retain his position.
Clarke won't be going anywhere but has played 2/8 very good innings, one half decent and 5 pathetic. He isn't much better than the others despite his two hundreds.

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

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Don't forget how many byes Haddin lets passed

 

[Bombers_Forever]

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Hughes goes first (certain)

Starc to go too but he will survive due to injuries

Khawaja hasn't done much recently and is slipping under the radar. He would be shaky along with Ponting.

 

[Father Jack]

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Khawaja is worth persevering with for mine.

 

[Mat the Cat]

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the way haddin gets out at important moments is unforgivable. clarke must want to tear him a new one... hopefully he does

Clarke doesn't really have that fear factor that Border/Taylor/Waugh or Ponting did.

 

[FRUMPY]

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Haddin wont be dropped until Paine is fit. They see him as the next in line and wont put Wade in there and upset the 'natural' order. I dont agree with this but i think it is what the selectors are thinking.

Kawaja for me is the worry, is raved about for a great technique but doesnt make runs. Looks like he is playing for survival rather than making runs. Replace him with a fit marsh.

Watson to replace Hughes and Christian to replace Punter.

Watson
Warner
Marsh
Clarke
Hussey
Christian
Haddin
Harris
Siddle
Pattinson
Lyon

 

[Ron]

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Don't forget how many byes Haddin lets passed

Not that i am saying keep Haddin in the team, but this aspect wont get any better with Wade in the team.

His keeping is no better than Haddin's.

 

[Loyal Lion]

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I just can't see the selectors making wholesale changes before the Boxing Day test & not until the end of the Indian series.

Definitely Hughes is gone. But others: Ponting, Hussey, Khawaja are lucky that there are so many injuries at present. There doesn't seem to be a lot of blokes pushing for spots either at present, about from the injured Marsh, Watson & Paine.

Then really Ponting, Hussey & Haddin should retire together after the Indian series finishes. Just the right time to go otherwise one, two or the three of them face the ignominy of being dropped during the series.

 

[Loyal Lion]

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Not that i am saying keep Haddin in the team, but this aspect wont get any better with Wade in the team.

His keeping is no better than Haddin's.

Who is the best keeper in Australia then ? Also, who is the best keeper/batsman going around ?

I just haven't seen a great deal of Paine.

 

[Cleavy]

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Not that i am saying keep Haddin in the team, but this aspect wont get any better with Wade in the team.

His keeping is no better than Haddin's.

batting should be more reliable though

 

[kaysee]

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As others have said... he isn't the 1st to drop.

1st = Hughes... just looks scared, so put him out of his misery. Hopefully, a few years maturing at State level will see him return a better player... ala Hayden.

2nd = Ponting... he's now definitely on the down, but still has some smarts/fight left. See how he goes on Boxing Day. If badly then give him a farewell game.

3rd... would be Haddin... but he is primarily our keeper, so how is his keeping? Batting is more of an extra. Also there are other alternatives to dropping. Perhaps we should try opening with him to see if he can score a quick 40-50... but if a "kick in the butt" is required we can always drop him down the order. Drop him to #10 as a reminder that his batting spot isn't guaranteed.

4th = Hussey... has some form, but his time is limited. We can't overhaul the team too quickly.

 

[Phone]

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Well straight off the bat we went from 1/122 to 5/159. I think people are forgetting that.

Haddin shouldn't go first. He should go. But if he goes and Ponting and/or Hussey stay I'll probably smash myself to death with a shoe. Haddin keeps on coming in at 5/1(xx). Can we please do something about that too? Do you really think Wade is gonna change much about that? The problem is Ponting keeps on playing stupid shots when he's looking good. And he's been doing it for more than 2 years now. What makes you think one century will change it? And that Hussey and Clarke have a pact to never both be in form at the same time. And then usually at the other end we've got an opener just about to throw his wicket away on 58 (move down Watson for heaven's sake) so we keep on going from 1/1(xx) to 5/1(xx). What is dumping Haddin gonna be about that? I remind you, he killed it in the Ashes, and we lost 3-1. Wade is gonna have to average about 80 to make a difference

Now I understand there's no-one demanding a spot.......but Ponting and Hussey and Haddin too ain't demanding to keep their spots either. For 1 year you can let that slide. Hell maybe 2. This has been happening for 3 years now. You've got to pull the trigger at some stage and take a chance. And I'm not usually a fan of picking players based on almost nothing. But right now you're keeping the incumbents on not much else either.

You can easily go

1 warner
2 usman/cowan
3 marsh
4 watson/ponting
5 clarke
6 hussey/watson
7 whatever

to go
1 warner
2 watson
3 usman/marsh
4 ponting
5 clarke
6 hussey
7 whatever

would literally be insane.

 

[Bombertastic]

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I would agree if it was NZ, or West Indies, or Sri Lanka or someone like that coming out here next, but it's India. Do we throw the new ones to the wolves against a cricketing powerhouse, without much experience there to guide them (as they'd be the ones making way for them in the team)?
I doubt they'll do that initially and expect they'll keep Hussey, Punter and Haddin for at least the start of that series, knowing that if they don't perform and if the team gets flogged, it won't matter so much (to the national team) if they experience a demoralising loss or two, as they won't be playing again, so it won't matter (to those selecting the side) what happens to their confidence. They wouldn't want the new ones to experience that, though, as it could really stunt their development and confidence (if they were involved in thumping, demoralizing losses). So they'll probably try to shield them from that, by keeping the 3 named in there, also knowing that, if they fail consistently against India, it will make it doubly easy for them to no longer be picked for Australia.
I'd say this will be the last chances for the likes of Hussey, Punter and Haddin, though. If they don't perform against India then they'll most likely be out of there, with Clarke wanting to keep his mates in there the only thing potentially delaying that from happening.

I see what you're saying but how could it hurt. The test side has been woeful for a while now so there is just as much risk in keeping it the way it is. Try some paragraphs too...