Official Brad Haddin thread - don't start any more

[BACCS]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Played a brilliant knock in that first Saffer Series, but he stills constantly fails when it matters.

I still say it's a concentration thing, he always gets out early, or around a break in play.

When he came in today, we needed a steady hand for a while, just to settle the ship.

Same with Haddin, **** him the most though.

Settle down Kingy, settle. Clarke is doing fine, he would be the only batsman I'd have as a guarantee to keep his spot atm.

 

[The_Reaper]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

We weren't experienced against NZ.

Bringing in 3 middle order debutants against India would be giving up on the series.

Haddin should go; we have the most ready made replacements for him.

Ponting and Hussey shouldn't go together.

We are experienced as we will be again.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

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Hardly; but we weren't inexperienced either.

Bringing in three new faces is not the way to beat India.

 

[The_Reaper]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Hardly; but we weren't inexperienced either.

Bringing in three new faces is not the way to beat India.

Selecting our best XI is.

If that best XI contains eleven debutants than that is the way to beat India.

 

[Tassieboy]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

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3. Haddin is no Adam Gilchrist, but neither is Paine or Wade and we were spoilt for so long. I doubt Wade/Paine would cope with the bowling we've seen on bowler friendly pitches.

You know I reckon Paine would be fine, as he's scored numerous handy scores on bowler friendly Bellerive wickets; my problem is he no better on flat ones.

 

[Tassieboy]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Selecting our best XI is.

If that best XI contains eleven debutants than that is the way to beat India.

Nope, not in a million miles.

 

[Alexwce]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

100% agreed, Brad Haddin is for me the most frustrating player in the Australian team. Others have plenty of concerns over them however replacing Haddin, can only serve to better the team.

Also happy to see people are noticing Cowan's first class consistency, he deserves a chance at test level, perhaps after the Indian tour. I wouldn't be removing Ponting or Hussey at this tour however Hughes needs to be nudged out of the side to improve his technique a lot before he makes a return. Whilst Khawaja looks technically sound, he has struggled.

Outs; Haddin/Hughes/Khawaja/Starc
Ins; Wade/Watson/Marsh/Harris

Not a fan at all of Watson opening the batting against India either. We're going to need him to bowl and plenty of it if we're to win the series. Doesn't seem feasible that anyone else can open perhaps other than Marsh though.

 

[Alexwce]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Selecting our best XI is.

If that best XI contains eleven debutants than that is the way to beat India.

Whilst I admire your spontaneousness, that mate would be nothing short of foolish

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

100% agreed, Brad Haddin is for me the most frustrating player in the Australian team.

Nah, that honour has to go to Usman "Get to 20 and then get myself out" Khawaja.

Such potential...

 

[The_Reaper]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Whilst I admire your spontaneousness, that mate would be nothing short of foolish

Obviously we need to phase players out and there are some players that we should keep.

Haddin is a good start though.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Bringing in 3 middle order debutants against India would be giving up on the series.

The series against India is well and truly gone, before it has even started.

We should be looking first and foremost at the long term rebuilding of the team.

 

[Dragz]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Hughes out, Watson in.
Keep Warner. Can't possibly drop a guy who carried his bat like that.

If Ponting had any sense, he'd announce that he'll retire after the India series, (or at least the Sydney Test) because if he doesn't he should be dropped.

Marsh if fit has to come in. And at number 3. So if Ponting and Hussey stay, Khawaja goes out for Marsh. If one of those two is given the golden handshake, then Khawaja will stay and could slot in at 4 or 6.

Wade, is in form and is certainly no worse a keeper than Haddin. Bring him in. Paine is a better keeper and a better batsman but whilst he's injured you HAVE to go with the guy scoring runs.

Bowlers - Harris in for Starc (If fit)

 

[Gazza_11]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

We weren't experienced against NZ.

Bringing in 3 middle order debutants against India would be giving up on the series.

Haddin should go; we have the most ready made replacements for him.

Ponting and Hussey shouldn't go together.

That's pretty much what has been suggested by most people here. Drop Haddin and drop one of Hussey/Ponting.

I reckon Ponting will come good v India though. Made a ton against them in the World Cup

 

[red+black]

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Yay. Let's make our team LESS experienced!!

That'll help us to win.

Huh, what?

Bringing in three new faces is not the way to beat India.

Unlikely we'll win the India series no matter who we pick. Always concerning ourselves with the short term future is why we are where we are. We need to look to the future, and Ponting and Hussey are not part of that future. I'd be happy to retire Hussey now and Ponting at the end of the Summer. But the selectors have probably already pencilled them in for the '12/'13 Summer.

 

[workhorse]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Changes =
Outs=
Hughes - Go back and play shield cricket, make runs, get confidence back, work on technical flaws!!!!
Khawaja - Same as above, go back to shield cricket and play aggressively. (I actually thought he had played quite well until he played a stupid shot to go out)
Starc - General consensus is that he is not ready. Play shield cricket and work on getting a consistent line and length. Definitely a prospect though.
Haddin - Maybe a little harsh to drop him and not Ponting and Hussey but just a terrible performance in a tough time again today.

Lucky - Hussey and Ponting. Both have credits in the bank. Ponting in a similar situation to Matthew Hayden in his last summer. Hopefully he can get at least one score in this test match and get the send-off he so very deserves. Hussey is a proven match-winner. People questioned his position in the team last summer and he proved everyone wrong. Hopefully he can find his mojo in the Boxing Day test or he is very likely to get the chop.

Ins=
Watson to replace Hughes* - Get back into the lineup at the opening position.
Marsh to replace Khawaja* - Takes Khawaja's spot at #3
Harris to replace Starc* - Best bowler in the country
Wade to replace Haddin - Behind Paine (who barring injury should be playing) is the best keeper and quite a good batsmen (Averages 40.17 in SS in 74 innings). Plus it's a great opportunity for Wade to debut at his home ground in front of a massive crowd. He may feel a little more comfortable at the 'G.

*If Marsh is not fit, Ed Cowan replaces him and opens with Warner while Watson moves down to 6 and Hussey, Clarke and Ponting shift up a spot.
*If Watson is nor fit, Ed Cowan replaces him and opens with Warner while Marsh bats at 3 and the rest of the middle order is the same.
*If Harris is not fit, either Starc stays or we debut another quick or bring in someone like Trent Copeland for example.


Unlucky - Dan Christian, Trent Copeland, Tim Paine. Christian just wouldn't fit into an already struggling batting lineup. Plus if Watson returns that sorts out our 5th bowler/all rounder debacle. Copeland has hit a form slump at the wrong time. I rate him quite highly after watching him bowl on roads in Sri Lanka and not get hit about. Maybe a conservative/boring bowler like him is needed against the Indians as they may get on top of Pattinson/Siddle easier than the Kiwis. Tim Paine, I believe, is still better then Matt Wade but just keeps getting injured. Once fit, I wouldn't mind seeing him and Wade in the same team with one as a fielder because Paine is definitely a gun bat. (This has worked with other countries - De Villiers and Boucher/ McCullum and Young/ Sangakarra and P.Jayawardne )

At this stage, I'm hoping that we have only one debutant for the Boxing Day test in Matthew Wade. Ed Cowan has to be knocking on the door but if Watson is fit then I think we should go with the most 'experienced' lineup. Maybe once Hussey has retired, if Watson moves down the order, then Cowan can get his dig.

 

[Rewired]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Realistically, does anyone expect our players to perform at their peak if they are worring about their position one game to the next.

Hughes I can understand dropping him.

But I don't like the idea of massive changes halfway through a season.

I don't think it is the best environment for successful performance.

The only change I see is Hughes out and Watson in.

Ponting and Hussey ideally should see out the summer - then both should seriously reconsider their future.

Massive changes are dangerous. If the new guys fail then you go around in circles.

I want gradual change.

There is a lot to look forward to with this team.

Pattinson, Warner and Cummins are three players that look likely to play a big role in the next 10 years. Add Lyon into the mix as well.

Since the Ashes we have unearthed those 4 players, plus won in Sri Lanka, drawn in SA, and drawn against NZ.

Since the hammering from the poms, this time last year I would have taken the above when you consider the new players unearthed.

Everyone needs to calm down a bit I think.

My boxing day team.

Watson
Warner
Kwajawa
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Haddin
Siddle
Lyon
Pattinson
Harris (injury permitting)

Marsh and Wade can wait for good reason too.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

If our middle order wasn't as brittle as hell I would agree, but we have other problems to fix first.

I hope the selectors don't share this view, Haddin is a liability and has an obvious replacement in Wade who has also been scoring plenty of runs. First and most obvious selection decision.

 

[Father Jack]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Realistically, does anyone expect our players to perform at their peak if they are worring about their position one game to the next.

Yes. Yes I do. The whole point is to bat/bowl so well that you can't possibly be dropped.

 

[Rewired]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Totally. But the Australian cricket media seems to line players up on teh basis of one poor performance. It is almost like some journos think they can influence selections and try their hardest to do just that.

Try and tell me that plastering headlines about Hughes on the paper helped his performance?

Some absolute idiots write about cricket in the media. Lets just employ Robert Craddock as head coach, Malcolm Conn as chief selector, Jesse Hogan as batting coach and Jim Maxwell as fitness coach.

Seriously, we'd never lose going on what they write about Australian cricket and what the team needs.

 

[JR78]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Totally. But the Australian cricket media seems to line players up on teh basis of one poor performance. It is almost like some journos think they can influence selections and try their hardest to do just that.

Try and tell me that plastering headlines about Hughes on the paper helped his performance?

Some absolute idiots write about cricket in the media. Lets just employ Robert Craddock as head coach, Malcolm Conn as chief selector, Jesse Hogan as batting coach and Jim Maxwell as fitness coach.

Seriously, we'd never lose going on what they write about Australian cricket and what the team needs.

Do you really think Hughes has put in one poor performance? Failed in 6 knocks v England, failed 3 out of 4 hits in Sri Lanka, 3 out of 4 v Sth Africa & failed in all 4 knocks against NZ.

 

[james brayshaw]

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drop hussey and move ponting to 6 bring back watson to bat at 4 and open with marsh and warner imo

 

[ManWithNoName]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

My boxing day team.

Watson
Warner
Kwajawa
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Haddin
Siddle
Lyon
Pattinson
Harris (injury permitting)

Marsh and Wade can wait for good reason too.

Our last 8 innings: 284 (197 of those runs coming from Clarke and the 4 bowlers)
47
296 (Watson and Hughes 176 of them, Johnson 38)
310 (Competence)
427
19 (Chasing 19)
136
233

And only one batsmen gets dropped? Really?

 

[Rewired]

Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

I think if you choose to sack either Ponting and or Hussey, then you have to sack both of them.

Realistically, both should call it a day after our summer. But to drop Ponting before boxing day would be a massive call, and it would likely cause a bit of team unrest in the camp.

Surly, the likes of Hussey and Ponting can get together with the selectors, and cut a deal to see out the summer and then retire.

To me that is the most sensible thing to do. That allows the youngster to come into the side for the West Indies, as that seems to be everyone's main aim.

 

[Rumblah#16]

Khawaja is safe for mine, pretty hard to start at 3, move to six for one test, then go back to three after that and practically open the batting due to failures.

The kid has immense talent, will be our number 3 for the ashes and the future. Persist.

 

[E Shed]

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Interesting episode of Inside Cricket tonight. AB, Warne, Flem & BJ seemed to agree that one of Ponting / Hussey will go but not both, all agreed Hughes is cooked for now.
Strangely they didn't even discuss Haddin who seems to have one of the old job for life contracts that used to be handed out with the baggy green.
As an aside they had Chris Cairns on the panel for a segment and i couldn't help but reflect what a brilliant basis of a side they had on the panel with all the above + Cairns.