Official Cameron White Thread

[guess_who]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Despite what the Vic haters say he has some enormous potential has shown in the Aus A series last year or the previous year against Pakistan. If he keeps working on his batting and improving like he has he will definately be in the mix, especially for the one day with his fielding ability. If he can become a more than handy bowler that would be a bonus.

 

[SorryIHammerChicken]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Runs are runs. Get over it.

This is the Symonds debate, yes? Symonds averages 38 at Pura Cup level, which is why there were so many question marks over him when he got selected. Seriously, an average of THIRTY-EIGHT. Thornely averages around 50.

White's bowling is on a par with Muller.

That's kind to White, Muller was a champ at first class level. Averaged around 22-23.

If you are going for an Batting Allrounder, I would rather Hopes, Blewett or *shudders* Thornley then White. Even maybe George Bailey in a couple of years time.

Hopes? Thornely is a specialist batsman (9 FC wickets at 50 I think), and White is as well.

Still miles ahead of White.

White looked good Friday, but has a bit of work to do.

He's looked good for a while now. Ever since that Australia A series in 04/05 he's showed that he will be a champion batsman of the future. Making 3 50's in 5 digs isn't doing much wrong is it? As well as his OD ton this year.

You'll see fellas, White will prove you all wrong with his batting.

 

[SorryIHammerChicken]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Cam White 20/20 stats -

Average 111.00
Strike Rate 144.15

You can say that 20/20 is a mickey mouse game, and it is, but White is performing well across all levels recently that proves what he's doing in 20/20 is no fluke. These are his recent OD scores : 19, 73*, 11, 0, 59*, 106* when he gets in he does some damage.

 

[F/D]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

You can say that 20/20 is a mickey mouse game, and it is, but White is performing well across all levels recently that proves what he's doing in 20/20 is no fluke. These are his recent OD scores : 19, 73*, 11, 0, 59*, 106* when he gets in he does some damage.

Whats his bowling like though?

 

[Andrew Mc]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

I hope not. It will mean there is next to no talent in the country and we'll all have to get used to losing a lot of Test matches. I'm still dumbfounded as to why he has a contract with CA.

 

[West Coast Fan 123]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

If Cameron White is a future top 6 batsman for Australia he is going to need to improve a hell of a lot in the next few years otherwise I would be very worried for Australian supporters.

Considering most here agree that White's bowling is not up to International standard nor will it ever be (he may be a handy part-timer in ODI but he does not spin the ball and would be destroyed in Tests.) he would need to get into the team pretty much soley on his batting.

His stats are:

FC 44 70 8 1815 119 29.27 1 9
List A 47 34 6 748 106* 26.71 959 77.99 1 5

Atm purely on stats, he is no where near a top 4 state batsman let alone an international player. Compare White to another young player who would be hoping for a 4-6 batting spot for Australia in the near future. Shaun Marsh is also 22 years old and plays at 6, in only 27 games hes scored 1400 runs, his average is 35 and he has 3 tons and 4 half tons.

You can't make the excuse that he gets more of a shot than White because he bats at the same position mostly. Considering he has half the experience of White and IMO a better technique, we can only assume he will become a better batsman in the future. White will need to improve to be a better bat than the likes of Marsh and Mark Cosgrove who also has a better FC average than White (although batting higher).

People might argue that White could get there one day on 'potentiol' but he has a hell of a long way to go to make it into AUS as a pure bat. If his bowling were up to par he might be a better chance, unfortunatley it seems to have gone backwards a bit in recent times, but IMO thats his best chance of getting into the team. A slightly batting all rounder. Even then, you'd hope for Australian fans there would be plenty of better options out there.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

I wonder if we will ever see the day that people give an unbiased opinion on a Victorian player?

On track for a 2nd Pura Cup title in 3 years and yet everyone says we have the ********test team in the country

 

[West Coast Fan 123]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

I wonder if we will ever see the day that people give an unbiased opinion on a Victorian player?

On track for a 2nd Pura Cup title in 3 years and yet everyone says we have the ********test team in the country

I don't think many people are saying that, just that White is way off being deserving of an Australian batting berth. Still there are better teams than Victoria out there.

 

[F/D]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

I wonder if we will ever see the day that people give an unbiased opinion on a Victorian player?

On track for a 2nd Pura Cup title in 3 years and yet everyone says we have the ********test team in the country

I'm a Vic supporter, but I think it's stupid to say he is anywhere near a top 6 batsman.

IMO he will never, if he can improve his bowling, then he'd have achance to play for Australia.

As far as young batsman goes, Ferguson, Bailey (How old?), Cosgrove and Marsh are ahead.

As far as spin bowlers, IMO Cullen, Doherty and Casson are ahead.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

I don't think many people are saying that, just that White is way off being deserving of an Australian batting berth. Still there are better teams than Victoria out there.

Oh thats right, every team we beat is better than us

As for White, Clarke got in the test team entirely on potential and was talked up as the messiah despite showing ******** all for NSW

 

[West Coast Fan 123]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Oh thats right, every team we beat is better than us

As for White, Clarke got in the test team entirely on potential and was talked up as the messiah despite showing ******** all for NSW

Do you have Clarkes FC stats when he got selected, I'm sure he'd done better than White has done now, also he'd been playing well in the ODI's.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Do you have Clarkes FC stats when he got selected, I'm sure he'd done better than White has done now, also he'd been playing well in the ODI's.

He got in based on 1 century for Aus A and a couple of good ODI performances, but of course White cant even get a bat in an ODI

Fact is Clarke was given a dream ride and failed, but people refuse to give his u/19 captain any similar breaks, as for their performances, Clarke was performing marginally better

 

[West Coast Fan 123]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

He got in based on 1 century for Aus A and a couple of good ODI performances, but of course White cant even get a bat in an ODI

Fact is Clarke was given a dream ride and failed, but people refuse to give his u/19 captain any similar breaks, as for their performances, Clarke was performing marginally better

Clarke still has far superior FC record to White and nobody will deny he is a much better batsman. The fact is Clakre was cleary the best young batsman in the land and was touted as a future captain. White is arguably not in the best 10 young batmsan in the land as therfore shouldn't get a dream run that you might afford to the next Ponting or Mark Waugh.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Clarke still has far superior FC record to White and nobody will deny he is a much better batsman. The fact is Clakre was cleary the best young batsman in the land and was touted as a future captain. White is arguably not in the best 10 young batmsan in the land as therfore shouldn't get a dream run that you might afford to the next Ponting or Mark Waugh.

Far superior? The year before Clarke was selected he averaged 38, went to England where he averaged a superb 35 . White is currently averaging 37, Clarkes F/C average is around 37-38 for his career, White is up around that the last couple of seasons. to say he has no future shows a true bias against Victorians and then to claim he aint even in the top 10 young bats is a ********ing joke, tell me these 10 batsman who are supposed to be better?

Fact was Clarke was given a shot based entirely on potential, he was far from the best available batsman in Australia, but got a game based on potential which he failed to live up to.

 

[F/D]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

1. Mark Cosgrove
2. Callum Ferguson
3. George Bailey
4. Shaun Marsh
5. Cam White


Off the top of my head.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

1. Mark Cosgrove
2. Callum Ferguson
3. George Bailey
4. Shaun Marsh
5. Cam White


Off the top of my head.

I would agree, except Ferguson and Bailey, but I want to know the other 6-7 players Otis claims are also better than him

 

[johnnyhoward]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Clarke still has far superior FC record to White and nobody will deny he is a much better batsman. The fact is Clakre was cleary the best young batsman in the land and was touted as a future captain. White is arguably not in the best 10 young batmsan in the land as therfore shouldn't get a dream run that you might afford to the next Ponting or Mark Waugh.

Stats are usually a good guide but seriously if you go by White's batting career stats you're an absolute idiot who's never seen him play. This guy is a gun batsman, when his average gets past 40 you'll look stupid.

 

[YOTC]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

but got a game based on potential which he failed to live up to.

Better not risk it with White then.....

 

[Andrew Mc]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Far superior? The year before Clarke was selected he averaged 38, went to England where he averaged a superb 35 . White is currently averaging 37, Clarkes F/C average is around 37-38 for his career, White is up around that the last couple of seasons. to say he has no future shows a true bias against Victorians and then to claim he aint even in the top 10 young bats is a ********ing joke, tell me these 10 batsman who are supposed to be better?

Fact was Clarke was given a shot based entirely on potential, he was far from the best available batsman in Australia, but got a game based on potential which he failed to live up to.

He probably got a game based on his 2002/2003 Pura Cup season, backed up with his NSW Pura Cup and Aus-A games in 2003/2004 :

Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St Team
MJ Clarke 10 17 1 763 134 47.68 61.73 4 2 10 - NSW
MJ Clarke 3 6 2 243 131* 60.75 76.41 1 - 3 - NSW/AUS-A

Seems to indicate a fair bit more potential there I think.

When White can manage to score a 2nd century of his first class career, perhaps he's a chance to be selected as a batsman. BTW, White's average for this Pura Cup season is a stunning 34.00 - hasn't even scored a 50 this season (heck, even Bichel has scored 2). I guess that must have helped somehow - his overall first-class average is now a super impressive 29.27 overall. Woo!

Maybe one day White will put together a Pura Cup season that will actually warrant him being a top 6 batsman.

 

[Smokey_22]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Far superior? The year before Clarke was selected he averaged 38, went to England where he averaged a superb 35 . White is currently averaging 37, Clarkes F/C average is around 37-38 for his career,

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Clarkes average is low because he was thrown into the deep-end at the ange of 18. His next couple of seasons had many low scores because the talent advisors could see that he was going to be a gun, and persisted. Nobody can average 40 as a 18 year old.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

I would agree, except Ferguson and Bailey, but I want to know the other 6-7 players Otis claims are also better than him

IMO, Fergy will end up being a better player than Clarke & White.

 

[West Coast Fan 123]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Stats are usually a good guide but seriously if you go by White's batting career stats you're an absolute idiot who's never seen him play. This guy is a gun batsman, when his average gets past 40 you'll look stupid.

See Andrew MC's post. Even in Whites 'stunning' form that he has been in this year he only averages 34 with not 1 half century. To claim a bloke is going to play for Australia in the near future with those stats is ridiculous. No doubt White is a good young batsman but to suggest he should get in the team on potential alone is ridiculous. Clarke was selected on potential to a degree but he also had the runs on the board (see Andrew Mc's post again). For White to get into the side he needs to improve his record a bit (yet to score a 50 this year).

On White not being in the top 10 young batsman in Australia, a bit of an overstatment by myself, which I apoligize for. My point is there are a number 4-5 ahead of him who are younger and have better FC records plus a number who are older and may get another shot in the near future (Katich, Marto etc). My overall point is White needs to improve his FC record alot before playing for Australia as a pure bat.

 

[Barry Schneider]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

When White can manage to score a 2nd century of his first class career, perhaps he's a chance to be selected as a batsman. BTW, White's average for this Pura Cup season is a stunning 34.00 - hasn't even scored a 50 this season (heck, even Bichel has scored 2). I guess that must have helped somehow - his overall first-class average is now a super impressive 29.27 overall. Woo!

Maybe one day White will put together a Pura Cup season that will actually warrant him being a top 6 batsman.

He is lucky to get a game for the Vics on those stats.The Mike Brearley of Victorian cricket.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

He probably got a game based on his 2002/2003 Pura Cup season, backed up with his NSW Pura Cup and Aus-A games in 2003/2004 :

Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St Team
MJ Clarke 10 17 1 763 134 47.68 61.73 4 2 10 - NSW
MJ Clarke 3 6 2 243 131* 60.75 76.41 1 - 3 - NSW/AUS-A

Seems to indicate a fair bit more potential there I think.

When White can manage to score a 2nd century of his first class career, perhaps he's a chance to be selected as a batsman. BTW, White's average for this Pura Cup season is a stunning 34.00 - hasn't even scored a 50 this season (heck, even Bichel has scored 2). I guess that must have helped somehow - his overall first-class average is now a super impressive 29.27 overall. Woo!

Maybe one day White will put together a Pura Cup season that will actually warrant him being a top 6 batsman.

Whites averaging 38 this year, on par with Clarkeys average, but its no good?

Been in fine one day form this year averaging over 50 with a century and a 50 or 2

As for the excuses used for Clarkey, ok, so why doesnt that apply to White who was also thrown into the side young?

 

[Andrew Mc]

Re: Cameron White --> Potential Australian Top 6 batsman?

Whites averaging 38 this year, on par with Clarkeys average, but its no good?

Ok, playing that game, Clarke is averaging 92.6 this season, nowhere near on par with White's average of 29.27.