Official Miss Finland Autumn Campaign Thread

[go fullta]

Certainly not the horse many hoped she might become.

couldnt possibly ask her to keep improving, after winning the golden slipper at 2, and winning the oaks at 3!! common sense

as for arnolds ride, he did the exact thing at terang today in the last, called forbes, was about 15 lengths off the leader coming to the turn, shoulda bolted in!!

 

[Kirby]

I'm afraid she's had her day.

She wont win another race. Sad, but true.

 

[Ron]

Good news, Williams is back on board for the Australian cup.

She'll give the cup a shake i reckon, pretty weak field.

If she can't win this then they might as well retire her because she wont get a better chance than this.

 

[the_fresh]

Good news, Williams is back on board for the Australian cup.

She'll give the cup a shake i reckon, pretty weak field.

If she can't win this then they might as well retire her because she wont get a better chance than this.

Won't get near Princess Coup.
The most under-rated horse going around, her spring was huge, she's come back better and suited to Flemington.

Will be overs with Hack of Finland in the race

 

[Yaaablett]

Whats with the continual bashing of Miss Finland? Champion 2 and 3 year old who hasnt progressed to an elite 4 year old. Calling her a hack, we'd all kill to have a hack like her! She remains competitive at the top level without winning. Her 3rd in a group 1 1600m race still shows she is going well. Any other horse and most of you would say it was a great 2000m Aust Cup trial.

Unfortunately in racing its much easier to be critical of a horse. Much harder to praise a horse cause most times it wont win. Just enjoy our champions or get another hobby!

 

[sethlad]

Finally they've retired her.....there is a god!!!
Ridden forward today & didnt even have the dash to get 1 off the fence.

Ive been a critic since the decision to run her in the Cox Plate at 3 & the ridiculous claims that she should have won.
The writing was on the wall when it was clear that the 3yo's were catching up to her this day last year in the A Guineas.
But they pressed on & ran her in the Derby on a bog track....thats looking after her.

Showed a little early in the Spring but the final straw was Cox Plate/Melb Cup/Lightning Stakes debacle.

She was a star 2 & 3yo but Im not sure if she'll even be remembered for that after her owners greed finished her off.
These flattened mares rarely produce in the breeding barn but I guess theyll sell the progeny so they dont really care.

Shame

seth

 

[Ricketts]

Everyone bagged Arnold for his rides on her saying he got disgracefully far back. Reality is that was the only way she was making up any ground.
And thankfully we longer have to hear people saying "not at her best". She was, and it wasn't good enough.

 

[Ron]

Thanks for the memories Miss Finland.

 

[Almost Famous]

Won't get near Princess Coup.
The most under-rated horse going around, her spring was huge, she's come back better and suited to Flemington.

Will be overs with Hack of Finland in the race

Princess Coup lol. Someone cant read form. Blind freddie could have seen Sirmione was going to beat her on the St George run. As for being overs, Id hardly call 6-4 overs.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Princess Coup lol. Someone cant read form. Blind freddie could have seen Sirmione was going to beat her on the St George run. As for being overs, Id hardly call 6-4 overs.

Ridiculous thing to say.
Swap the rides & the result would be completely reversed.
I really hope the press get into Oliver for his ride. All I have heard so far is people stating they can't believe that Sirmione won so easy. The only other chance unfortunately was given no chance due to pilot error, so of course it won easily.

Happy for Bart though.
Hope they both press on to Sydney.

 

[Almost Famous]

The results would have been different? Please! Stop talking through your pocket. Yes it was a poor ride from Oliver but she was beaten 5 lengths. Youre kidding yourself if you think the ride cost her that much ground. Sirmione arguably should have won the St George. The extra 200m and the bigger track was always going to be in his favour. Some people just cant read form properly.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

The results would have been different? Please! Stop talking through your pocket. Yes it was a poor ride from Oliver but she was beaten 5 lengths. Youre kidding yourself if you think the ride cost her that much ground. Sirmione arguably should have won the St George. The extra 200m and the bigger track was always going to be in his favour. Some people just cant read form properly.

Didn't have a bet in the race, quite clearly then you are talking through your pocket.

Yes, if Sirmione had PCs run the result would have been different as PC would have got away by 6 lengths, while Sirmione was held up behind slowing horses on the rail. It's not that hard to understand.
I have watched the race that many times, & yes she did lose about 6 lengths when held up to Sirmione (as he kicked at the same time), let alone any momentum.

Perhaps you need to watch the race again.
A simple question when you do:
What was Sirmiones lead when PC did get clear?

I did say 'change the runs' in the orginal post, some people JUST CAN'T READ, let alone a form guide.

 

[Almost Famous]

If she had the same run as Sirmione she wouldnt have beaten him, thats the point. She would have been much closer for sure but she would not have beaten him. Time to take the blinkers off mate. Unless you want to continue losing on the punt that is.

 

[Ricketts]

He said if the runs were reversed, i.e. both of them.
Obviously result would have been reversed.

 

[Almost Famous]

And the point of that is?

If you reverse both runs then Princess Coup gains a few lengths and Sirmione loses a few lengths. The net result is a swap of the placings in that situation. Why you would want to hypothesise about a situation in which Sirmione was ridden poorly is anybodies guess. The only relevant alternative to think about is if Sirmione had the same run and Princess Coup wasnt ridden badly and in that situation Sirmione still wins albeit by a much smaller margin.

 

[Ricketts]

Princess Coup *may* have won if both horses had good runs, we don't know.
But it would have had to have been a huge run given how well Sirmione went.

 

[ohwhenthesaints]

Ridiculous thing to say.
Swap the rides & the result would be completely reversed.
I really hope the press get into Oliver for his ride. All I have heard so far is people stating they can't believe that Sirmione won so easy. The only other chance unfortunately was given no chance due to pilot error, so of course it won easily.

Happy for Bart though.
Hope they both press on to Sydney.

Thats more rediculous, P.Merterns had Olly inside him, if Olly eased a length to get the back of Sirmione, he runs second beaten a length and a bit. The only way olly could have WON the race is go inside save ground and hope for luck. At the end of the day the result was the same, the margins being the only difference. I applaud him for riding to win, not to run second.

 

[sethlad]

If he tracks Sirmione,at least PC is in the clear & we know for sure.
As it stands,nobody knows,apart from AF of course

Anyway,back to the MF discussion which is what this thread was about.
I have a genuine query about MF.
Can anyone tell me how a horse can develop a "flat spot" out of nowhere?
One minute she races on the pace,next she cant keep up.

My theory is that stretching her out to the Oaks at 3 finished her off.
Recent history doesnt look kindly on Oaks winners as we know with many simply being superior 3yo's whose class got them through.

Compare this with Arapaho Miss who wasnt pushed early & still seems to have scope for improvement.
Long way to go for her but showing the right signs.

seth

 

[Syd Kennets]

The thing in Araphaho's favour is they are picking the right races for her.

However after Special Harmony, Hollow Bullet, and Miss Finland...I would be very careful of any 4yo mares in the spring that have done alot of racing as 3 year olds.

 

[Weekend Hussler]

Didn't have a bet in the race, quite clearly then you are talking through your pocket.

Yes, if Sirmione had PCs run the result would have been different as PC would have got away by 6 lengths, while Sirmione was held up behind slowing horses on the rail. It's not that hard to understand.
I have watched the race that many times, & yes she did lose about 6 lengths when held up to Sirmione (as he kicked at the same time), let alone any momentum.

Perhaps you need to watch the race again.
A simple question when you do:
What was Sirmiones lead when PC did get clear?

I did say 'change the runs' in the orginal post, some people JUST CAN'T READ, let alone a form guide.

Switch the runs and PC wins

However...if both horses were given outside runs (like Sirmione got), Sirmione would have still won.

Sirmione loves the distance...his turn of foot was devastating, even though the field was weak.

 

[bomberboy44]

Princess Coup *may* have won if both horses had good runs, we don't know.
But it would have had to have been a huge run given how well Sirmione went.

Spot on. It's subjective to predict results when changing what actually happened in a race. Its really just ones opinions vs. another.

Does anyone have the sectionals for the first two say from the 600, 400 and 200. Wont solve the argument but would be interested to see

 

[sethlad]

Spot on. It's subjective to predict results when changing what actually happened in a race. Its really just ones opinions vs. another.

Does anyone have the sectionals for the first two say from the 600, 400 and 200.
Wont solve the argument but would be interested to see

According to sportscolour,who are far from 100% accurate

Sirmione:600-400:11.4, 400-200:11.2, 200-F:12.3 =34.9

P Coup:600-400:11.9, 400-200:11.6,200-F:11.9 =35.4

According to these figures,both ran the same last 400m(23.5),as we all saw the damage was done between 600 & 400m.

seth

 

[plays tall 1]

The thing in Araphaho's favour is they are picking the right races for her.

However after Special Harmony, Hollow Bullet, and Miss Finland...I would be very careful of any 4yo mares in the spring that have done alot of racing as 3 year olds.

You can add Serenade Rose to that list.

Arapaho Miss is going OK, but I'm staggered at how high up she is in Cup markets given the recent history of seemingly outstanding Oaks winners - particularly as she's by Danehill Dancer

 

[sethlad]

The thing in Araphaho's favour is they are picking the right races for her.

However after Special Harmony, Hollow Bullet, and Miss Finland...I would be very careful of any 4yo mares in the spring that have done alot of racing as 3 year olds.

It appears we wont see her in the Spring,has a bone chip on the knee.
Something had to be wrong,she was awful last start

seth