one question has been answered

[garth p]

Guess we all now know who is the better footballer out of Goddard and Wells.

Goddard by a country mile. Wells has a long way to go.


And Walker may be better than Cooney. Oh well, can't expect all the recruiters to get it right every year.

 

[Zeke]

one question has been answered

Who, apart from you, has answered said question?

 

[lamby29]

I agree that Goddard is better - but he has a long way to go too.

Wells is a good player - just not as good as North fans think he is.

 

[garth p]

Originally posted by Zeke
Who, apart from you, has answered said question?

me and lamby so far..........and 38,000 fans who were at the game................if they are honest with themselves..............well 85% of them will be anyway..........the15% roos fans can please themselves..................

 

[windyhill]

Enjoyed this debate last year. Nothing has changed , Goddard still by the proverbial mile.

 

[GeordieRoo]

Originally posted by garth p
me and lamby so far..........and 38,000 fans who were at the game................if they are honest with themselves..............well 85% of them will be anyway..........the15% roos fans can please themselves..................

That's real great - basing the question on the one game.

Anyway I'll take Wells anyday.

Why?

Last kick of the game vs Carlton that's why.

Kids that can do that don't come around very often - and we've got one!

 

[Mark Viduka]

Originally posted by garth p
one question has been answered

Wouldn't it be "funny" If Goddard did his knee tomorrow and never fulfilled his "potential" and Wells does and finishes in 10 years the better player.

What a ridiculous call.. to say he is a better player now.

 

[lamby29]

Originally posted by GeordieRoo
That's real great - basing the question on the one game.

Anyway I'll take Wells anyday.

Why?

Last kick of the game vs Carlton that's why.

Kids that can do that don't come around very often - and we've got one!

So intsead of basing the question on one game, you're basing it on one kick?

 

[GeordieRoo]

I'm basing who I would rather have in my side on the fact that Wells has done something Goddard hasn't.

I'm not making any assumption to who is the better player as they are both kids in their second year, and it is impossible to tell.

And Garth P must agree that Chris Judd is a better player than Luke Ball on his logic, as Judd has done more in his career so far.

 

[Harvey to Hayes]

Re: Re: one question has been answered

Originally posted by Mark Viduka
Wouldn't it be "funny" If Goddard did his knee tomorrow and never fulfilled his "potential" and Wells does and finishes in 10 years the better player.

What a ridiculous call.. to say he is a better player now.

WTF? So according to your 'theory' you can never compare two players until they've retired on the off chance that one might get injured and not fulfil his potential? You get stupider by the day, I think you should get a check-up and make sure you don't have some degenerative brain disorder......

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

While it is easier to compare Goddard and Wells because they were taken in the same draft, you can only look at comparative form in the first season and a bit. Personally Wells looked better to me at times last season but Goddard being a part of a Saints team taking all before it at the moment is bound to look better and have more time to choose right options.

I think Goddard may well end up being the better player but they are different types and unless you put them in equally dominant sides, the argument holds little water IMO.

 

[Interpol]

Just to throw some stats into the debate take a look at their career stats:

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=&Compare=Go&SelectedPlayers=1031%2C746%2C

I'm not sure how much game time Goddard gets but Wells probably still plays only about 2-3 quarters a game and their stats are pretty even all up.

 

[Zeke]

Originally posted by Interpol
Just to throw some stats into the debate

Don't do it! they hate it when you bring some facts into the opinion-fest.

 

[Fred]

Adding Ball to that.

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...e=Add+to+Comparison&SelectedPlayers=1031,746,

 

[moomba]

Who cares.

Saints are happy with Goddard.

Roos are happy with Wells

Blues are sad.

 

[Zeke]

Originally posted by Fred
Adding Ball to that.

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...e=Add+to+Comparison&SelectedPlayers=1031,746,

And adding Buckley to that.

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...Nathan+Buckley&SelectedPlayers=1031,746,1042,

 

[mino]

Originally posted by Zeke
And adding Buckley to that.

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...Nathan+Buckley&SelectedPlayers=1031,746,1042,

And Randall Bone:
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...yerName4=&SelectedPlayers=1031,746,1042,1265,

(OK, that was too far)

 

[Shrapnel]

Schneider...


http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...+to+Comparison&SelectedPlayers=1031,746,1042,

 

[Mark Viduka]

Re: Re: Re: one question has been answered

Originally posted by Harvey to Hayes
WTF? So according to your 'theory' you can never compare two players until they've retired on the off chance that one might get injured and not fulfil his potential? You get stupider by the day, I think you should get a check-up and make sure you don't have some degenerative brain disorder......

no... Not until they retired.... but what sort of idiot compares 2 guys who are both 19 and playing their 30ish games. Look at someone like Josh Fraser.... or Clive Waterhouse...heralded No 1 picks... everyone said they would be starts too after around the same amount of games. Are they better players than a Simon Black at #18 who started off slower or a Daniel Kerr at #18? What about the "next Gary Ablett" Clint Bizzell.

Saying 1 player is going to be better that another in this stage of their careers is just ridiculous. Comparisons like that come back to bite you on the ass.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Fred
Adding Ball to that.

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...e=Add+to+Comparison&SelectedPlayers=1031,746,

Luke Balls tackling stat is outstanding.

 

[Shrapnel]

Originally posted by Falchoon
Luke Balls tackling stat is outstanding.

Really?

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...Name3=&PlayerName4=&SelectedPlayers=118,1042,

You won't find a much closer one than those two..only real difference is the tackles to kirk and marks to ball.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

I'd rate both on a par at the moment. Both are still in their infancy in terms of AFL careers and play different roles within their club's set ups.

Goddard could and would be a lot more if the Saints weren't so packed with mid-field talent, but Wells strikes me as more of a burst-player. No, that doesn't mean he has a hole in him.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Shrapnel
Really?

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...Name3=&PlayerName4=&SelectedPlayers=118,1042,

You won't find a much closer one than those two..only real difference is the tackles to kirk and marks to ball.

You'd probably expect your average 27yo tagger to get a few more tackles than your average 19yo midfielder

 

[year of the roo]

Originally posted by Fred
Adding Ball to that.

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare...e=Add+to+Comparison&SelectedPlayers=1031,746,

Stop hijacking threads Fred, this has nothing to do with Ball.

I like Moomba's argument. North are happy, Saints are happy, Carlton are Carlton. Case closed.