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One year on Feb 7 - Anybody still think infractions are coming?

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bomberjez said:
Yeah, you're wrong (I say this in the nicest way possible).

No fault/significant fault or negligence will be the reason for no suspension. This is what was originally discussed with the players and repeated a number of times throughout the year to ensure we cooperated in full. While we can argue strict liability for days, the no fault/negligence is just as absolute.

We're already 2 years since the alleged offense date and to pin down a number of players will be a very unpopular move if there is room for doubt on what they took.

Coaching/support staff will cop it hardest and that's how it should be.
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Yeah, I actually just went and gave myself a headache by looking at the WADA site. And yes, there is flexibility if there is no significant fault. So my bad.

I guess the reason why it persisted so long (min 2 year ban) was the argument that the consent forms = intent to dope.

I think I will give this thing a rest for a while, it's giving me a headache.
 
mango said:
I would agree except for the fact that ASADA do not publicly advise when investigations are completed as there is no requirement for them to do so & they are restricted by confidentiality issues so potentially we may never officially know when it is over.


So the 'longer it goes, worse for EFC' argument holds no water imho.
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Except that I'm guessing there's never been an investigation like this before for ASADA, where it was publicly announced it was going to occur and an interim report later released. I have no doubt we will hear when this investigation comes to a close.
 
mango said:
I would agree except for the fact that ASADA do not publicly advise when investigations are completed as there is no requirement for them to do so & they are restricted by confidentiality issues so potentially we may never officially know when it is over.


So the 'longer it goes, worse for EFC' argument holds no water imho.
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perhaps, though this is an unprecedented case in terms of size and magnitude, and we're treading unfamiliar territory in regards to S0. surely certain things should be cleared up for the sporting world/public?

not to mention that ASADA provided an interim report to the AFL, something that they're not required to do and that hasn't been done before...
 

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jenny61_99 said:
Except that I'm guessing there's never been an investigation like this before for ASADA, where it was publicly announced it was going to occur and an interim report later released. I have no doubt we will hear when this investigation comes to a close.
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maybe, but I wager it wont be from Asada

& again, there are strict confidentiality issues which they simply cannot choose to ignore.
 
Broken_Chairs said:
perhaps, though this is an unprecedented case in terms of size and magnitude, and we're treading unfamiliar territory in regards to S0. surely certain things should be cleared up for the sporting world/public?

not to mention that ASADA provided an interim report to the AFL, something that they're not required to do and that hasn't been done before...
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Snap!
 
Broken_Chairs said:
perhaps, though this is an unprecedented case in terms of size and magnitude, and we're treading unfamiliar territory in regards to S0. surely certain things should be cleared up for the sporting world/public?

not to mention that ASADA provided an interim report to the AFL, something that they're not required to do and that hasn't been done before...
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And the question you should ask yourself is why did they release an interim report?

the blue pill opens your eyes
 
Broken_Chairs said:
perhaps, though this is an unprecedented case in terms of size and magnitude, and we're treading unfamiliar territory in regards to S0. surely certain things should be cleared up for the sporting world/public?

not to mention that ASADA provided an interim report to the AFL, something that they're not required to do and that hasn't been done before...
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see my reply to Jenny, it's not that simple.
 
carnthedons said:
And the question you should ask yourself is why did they release an interim report?

the blue pill opens your eyes
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Pot kettle....

There are clearly two divides here. Those that think the longer it goes the more likely infraction notices, and those that think the longer it goes essendon are in the clear.

I wonder why those that think Essendon are in the clear yet there's been no announcement to that effect? Surely if they were in the clear there'd be an announcement? Do you think the blackest day of sport will just meld into the background and it will all just go away, never to be heard of again?

For the other side (of which I am one) it's because they have constantly said the investigation is ongoing and also knowing the ADVRP cannot consider all evidence until the investigation is completed.
 
bomberjez said:
Yeah, you're wrong (I say this in the nicest way possible).

No fault/significant fault or negligence will be the reason for no suspension. This is what was originally discussed with the players and repeated a number of times throughout the year to ensure we cooperated in full. While we can argue strict liability for days, the no fault/negligence is just as absolute.

We're already 2 years since the alleged offense date and to pin down a number of players will be a very unpopular move if there is room for doubt on what they took.

Coaching/support staff will cop it hardest and that's how it should be.
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strict liability does not exist in this case. There is no such thing.
 

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Its like the legal system. The charges/infractions will come once everybody has forgotten about it/dust settles. imo thats how these agencies work........what do I know :D.

Personally couldn't care about it. I can see it coming soon though. Just around the corner of the new football year. :mad:
 
jenny61_99 said:
I wonder why those that think Essendon are in the clear yet there's been no announcement to that effect? Surely if they were in the clear there'd be an announcement? Do you think the blackest day of sport will just meld into the background and it will all just go away, never to be heard of again?
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There will be no accouncement. There is never and announcement. ASADA has an on-going remit to continually investigate. The evidence they gather will no doubt see certain individuals target tested in the future.

The only announcements we ever see in these matters are when an official report is produced because it has been commissioned, or when the statute of limitations expire - 7 years to go for the Bombers.

Even when the Olympics ends and the IOC announce how many positives there were - they make a point of adding the line about keeping samples for future testing - and we've seen people stripped of medals from new testing procedures.
 
JohnG said:
Hope not don't want another season dominated by those headlines again, wasn't Roy Masters convinced infractions will come October?
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The problem with Masters and co is that they are so used to AFL/NRL being the biggest thing in town, who can just deal with things.

We are all used to the AFL having a problem on the weekend and dealing with it by Wednesday. When an issue drags on for a fortnight the footy media and public begin convulsing, shuddering and rocking back and forth in the foetal position.

Those journos don't have experience with looking at doping cases. The only experience they have is accusing pesky foreigners of cheating or deciding that individual sports like cycling are diseased.

I mean Sandor Earle was provisionally suspended in September but is still not yet technically banned heading into February.
 
jenny61_99 said:
Pot kettle....

There are clearly two divides here. Those that think the longer it goes the more likely infraction notices, and those that think the longer it goes essendon are in the clear.

I wonder why those that think Essendon are in the clear yet there's been no announcement to that effect? Surely if they were in the clear there'd be an announcement? Do you think the blackest day of sport will just meld into the background and it will all just go away, never to be heard of again?

For the other side (of which I am one) it's because they have constantly said the investigation is ongoing and also knowing the ADVRP cannot consider all evidence until the investigation is completed.
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why would they declare they are in the clear?

New evidence could conceivably be uncovered if it's still ongoing. Why would they say show's over? There's no motivation for them to do that whatsoever, but plenty to keep it open.

Occam's Razor folks
 

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