They are not-for-profit and pay no tax.
Only Five Clubs Profit Without Pokies - The Big 5?
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They are not-for-profit and pay no tax.
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Fair call, however they can still make a profit. From Wiki
A nonprofit organization (US and UK),[1] or not-for-profit organization (UK and others), often called an NPO or simply a nonprofit and non-commercial organization (Russia and CIS[citation needed]), often called an NCO, is an organization that uses surplus revenues to achieve its goals rather than distributing them as profit or dividends.[2]
While not-for-profit organizations are permitted to generate surplus revenues, they must be retained by the organization for its self-preservation, expansion, or plans.[3] NPOs have controlling members or boards. Many have paid staff including management, while others employ unpaid volunteers and even executives who work with or without compensation (occasionally nominal).[4] Where there is a token fee, in general, it is used to meet legal requirements for establishing a contract between the executive and the organization.
Designation as a nonprofit does not mean that the organization does not intend to make a profit, but rather that the organization has no owners and that the funds realized in the operation of the organization will not be used to benefit any owners. The extent to which an NPO can generate surplus revenues may be constrained or use of surplus revenues may be restricted.
So as long as the clubs use the funds they earn for their own preservation.
The way I see it, the more money Hawthorn make, the more funds we have to spend on our club. Win for me
I have lived over east as well as NZ and in Europe. I have seen people gamble all over the world, in lots of different ways.
One thing I noticed is no one forced anybody to do it, it was all about personal choice.
Life feeds on life.
They should stop all the gambling help lines and support services I guess, case closed.
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I don't like the fact that AFL clubs (Collingwood included) own pokies, and I really don't like how much sponsorship comes into the league from Alcohol and Gambling.
(In fact it sickens me that sponsorship of a sporting event lets alcohol companies get around usual regulations - ie. times of day that TV adverts can be shown).
I really wish that the AFL and the clubs took some responsibility in tackling these 2 scourges on society. (And talk all you want about responsible use vs excess - but it is very clear that advertising is not trying to promote 'responsible use')
However, who am I to dictate how the AFL should run itself as a business, particularly when government and legislation does not take a stance, and when it would probably be a very unpopular decision for a large portion of our society.
(In fact it sickens me that sponsorship of a sporting event lets alcohol companies get around usual regulations - ie. times of day that TV adverts can be shown).
I really wish that the AFL and the clubs took some responsibility in tackling these 2 scourges on society. (And talk all you want about responsible use vs excess - but it is very clear that advertising is not trying to promote 'responsible use')
However, who am I to dictate how the AFL should run itself as a business, particularly when government and legislation does not take a stance, and when it would probably be a very unpopular decision for a large portion of our society.
I agree.
Just as I think oz lotto and powerball are an extra tax on dumb people.
But I also think it should be up to the people involved to make there own decisions.
Footy clubs should not be able to make a loss on football operations but that would lead to BIG reductions in football expenditure - all those coaches, sports medicine.
Given both the Hawks & Eagles have declared they will cut $millions off their footy expenditure in order to meet the limit set for the introduction of the equalisation tax, there is room.
Its more than 10 years since Essendon CEO of the time, Peter Jackson advised members that the club had incurred its first loss on footy operations in the modern era.
Given both the Hawks & Eagles have declared they will cut $millions off their footy expenditure in order to meet the limit set for the introduction of the equalisation tax, there is room.
Its more than 10 years since Essendon CEO of the time, Peter Jackson advised members that the club had incurred its first loss on footy operations in the modern era.
No,
I just believe in personal choice and not banning things that some people enjoy just because some people might abuse it.
Making things illegal does not help the people who need help.
Are they going to sneak out to an underground pokies venue? Make their own machines?
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I believe in personal choice ergo that way I don't have to do anything and get to feel superior to the victims of a greedy industry designed to trap the most disadvantaged people in Australia.
Agree with so much in this thread, glad its not a your club my club shitfight
It really strikes me that with the mismanagement leading up to moving to docklands and subsequent screwed up economic model in the footy industry. And using pokies to paper over the cracks.
It really strikes me that with the mismanagement leading up to moving to docklands and subsequent screwed up economic model in the footy industry. And using pokies to paper over the cracks.
Hotty your posts reflect your superior feel - as one of the unwashed who's reading is not limited to the leftie press (ordinary people read the Murdoch press too), and who applauds a female oligarch (good Willy latte set/ABC description) for employing thousands of Australians - wring your hands another time soon !
In the case of pokies, yes it does.
Maybe.
And on the way there they could drop past the newsagent to buy a lotto ticket and a few scratches before the TAB opens. Trying to remember not to forget, to put in thier footy tips and buying a six pack of beer for a lost bet.
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More a legislative issue I think. I don't think it's a footy problem.
Sporting clubs are traditional, obvious places for licensed social clubs (ie people meet there, and the proceeds to toward the club)... How do you run a profitable, sustainable licensed venue these days, you put in pokies.
It's not just AFL clubs. The VFL clubs have them, some suburban and country clubs even have them. Every bowls club has them, tennis clubs, yacht clubs, golf clubs, racing clubs, etc etc.
People who talk about the evils of pokies are right HOWEVER before we advocate just flicking the switch we need to understand the impact it'll have. Pokies in most venues subsidise the rest of the business, allow the cheap meals, cheap drinks, playgrounds, low margin totes, dozens of huge screens showing 15 different live sports, etc etc. That stuff brings in people other than the gamblers and this provides a fair bit of employment in the hospitality industry.
Rip out the one profitable revenue stream of any business and it'll shut it's doors immediately or do the slow burn, jack up prices everywhere else until people aren't coming any more.
We pay people quite high wages (which I am all for) and plenty of penalty rates in hospitality, the revenue goes then the jobs go too.
In this sense it's not just the gamblers who are addicted to pokies, it's the economy too. Agree we should be looking to reduce their presence BUT it needs to be done through a proper transition plan which will take many years, so that employment changes etc can be planned and transitioned.
Rant all you like, go have that rant to the girl pouring your beer at the social club.
Good on WA for not having them, however that is one rich economy at the moment, maybe one day if things aren't quite as rosy then things would be looked at. Morality isn't a base human need, and it always comes after those basic requirements, not before. Morality is usually a luxury, basically, if you're running an economy. There's trade offs.
Sporting clubs are traditional, obvious places for licensed social clubs (ie people meet there, and the proceeds to toward the club)... How do you run a profitable, sustainable licensed venue these days, you put in pokies.
It's not just AFL clubs. The VFL clubs have them, some suburban and country clubs even have them. Every bowls club has them, tennis clubs, yacht clubs, golf clubs, racing clubs, etc etc.
People who talk about the evils of pokies are right HOWEVER before we advocate just flicking the switch we need to understand the impact it'll have. Pokies in most venues subsidise the rest of the business, allow the cheap meals, cheap drinks, playgrounds, low margin totes, dozens of huge screens showing 15 different live sports, etc etc. That stuff brings in people other than the gamblers and this provides a fair bit of employment in the hospitality industry.
Rip out the one profitable revenue stream of any business and it'll shut it's doors immediately or do the slow burn, jack up prices everywhere else until people aren't coming any more.
We pay people quite high wages (which I am all for) and plenty of penalty rates in hospitality, the revenue goes then the jobs go too.
In this sense it's not just the gamblers who are addicted to pokies, it's the economy too. Agree we should be looking to reduce their presence BUT it needs to be done through a proper transition plan which will take many years, so that employment changes etc can be planned and transitioned.
Rant all you like, go have that rant to the girl pouring your beer at the social club.
Good on WA for not having them, however that is one rich economy at the moment, maybe one day if things aren't quite as rosy then things would be looked at. Morality isn't a base human need, and it always comes after those basic requirements, not before. Morality is usually a luxury, basically, if you're running an economy. There's trade offs.
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Same could be said for most places that have poker machines.
WA has never had pokies, regardless of the state of the economy.
Wavereley gardens is a shopping centre, and very soon after it opened, pokies are no longer allowed in shopping centres
Incidentally, hawks started developing waverley gardens before the failed merger, and delays etc in the development contributed to the club being in the financial poo before the merger.
It did, when open , help to get the hawks out of the poo.
I believe north did lose a lot of money trying to establish pokies, never got them up so they contributed to north debt
Incidentally, hawks started developing waverley gardens before the failed merger, and delays etc in the development contributed to the club being in the financial poo before the merger.
It did, when open , help to get the hawks out of the poo.
I believe north did lose a lot of money trying to establish pokies, never got them up so they contributed to north debt
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Has never or will never?
I agree we need to ban the economy.
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