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Yeah fair point
Collier won 11 senior and a brownlow
So if tuck gets in its after HIM
11 senior what? And which are your favourite games of his? And the particular highlights?
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Yeah fair point
Collier won 11 senior and a brownlow
So if tuck gets in its after HIM
11 senior what? And which are your favourite games of his? And the particular highlights?
Better player almost certainly, and GOAT very close.Are you going to rate Baldock's career as better than Peter Hudson or even as far as saying he is the GOAT?
11 senior what? And which are your favourite games of his? And the particular highlights?
"LEETER was everything I admirred in a footballer
Cazaly spent the vast majority of his career in crap teams. Only played in a couple of winning finals matches from what I am aware. Had a career of impressive longevity for the time managed only one best and fairest and that was in a team that finished last. Played many games for Victoria but that seems to be his most impressive individual on field accomplishment.Would Roy Cazaly be in the hall of Fame if Mike Brady had not written a song called "Up There Cazaly" which became the biggest-selling single in Australian history?
I'd heard about him and I'd sung "Up There Cazaly" at VFL Grand Finals in the 80's and 90's, but I NEVER heard anyone mention him as a football legend prior to his induction. The legend was really more about his teammate saying "Up There Cazaly" before every ruck contest and how this became a WW2 battle cry among Aussie troops.
Cool story...
I'm sure he was a good player, but was he really a legendary footballer or was it simply a pre-internet viral meme which added to his legend?
Put it this way: when they selected the AFL Team of the Century in 1996, all the other AFL legends had their names put forward as "possibles", including Darrel Baldock, but I didn't see anyone picking Roy Cazaly in their teams
Jack obviously had an eye for this.superb protector
How many of his games did you see?
KINGAROY
Quote from jack dyer in 1996
And that's after watching 70 years of vfl and interstate footy
Better judge than you
Try doing some research then you may obtain a smarter arse
But as you've shown pretty impossible with you
Love your avatar , another piss take yeah
You're a great contributor
Its just that when you went on and on referring to him by his nickname and were so passionate about how you had to see him to believe him that, well, I assumed you had actually seen him. And werent just going on a rant about someone who played probably 60 years before you were born.
The quote from Dyer I can only find referenced on Big Footy. Where does it actually come from? Did he ever declare any other player to be the greatest he ever saw? They often do - depending on the room. Has anyone other than Dyer declared him to be the greatest ever?
There is a very good reason for only allowing contemporaries in the "greatest" type lists. Because people are alive who actually saw them. And there is plenty of corroborating evidence.
For example, the OP had a go at Baldock. I checked with my father who said he was an incredible player. No matter the weather or ground conditions he was faultless with the ball.
BTW: Mike Sheehan reckons Collier is #48. 5 spots behind Michael Tuck.
If Sheehan rates him so low , it's gospel
He's no friggin judge in comparison to DYER and you're old man would tell ya
You're old man knows , you ?
Try dyers/ Brian hansens book , best 100 players of the century might learn a few things
Okay so Brian Hansen wrote a biography on Dyer and it included a quote on Collier. A convincing argument.
No Brian Hansen and jack dyer wrote the book on 100 greatest players
And yes a convincing argument
LEETER colliers record is unsurpassed and never will be
Arguments are childish. His record speaks for itself
My father played against a few blokes and ted whitten based his game on guess who
So in your immature mind you think footy started only when your mob started winning
His record speaks for itself and NO ONE Can dispute it
Pity you don't follow football
But then most hawthorn supporters struggle
I agree. However, since the OP asked who of the Legends the Doc was "better than", I gave my own opinion, subjective as that might be, based on those I have seen. Whether anyone agrees also doesn't matter; as you said, attempting to rank the Legends is pointless, as is having a Legends section in the first place, I believe. While I'm not able to comment on those I haven't seen - except Bunton and Coleman, who my grandfather and father respectively said were the best they'd ever seen ( and I believe them) - there are certainly players there that I wouldn't have classed as legendary over the 58 years I've watched Aussie Rules football.
You do realise 4 of the Collingwood flags are tainted because the rules were ludicrous and allowed the Grand Final loser to demand a replay, along with a number of other completely dodgy rules which just so happened to assist Collingwood.
As for an unsurpassed record, exactly which bit?
You do realise 4 of the Collingwood flags are tainted because the rules were ludicrous and allowed the Grand Final loser to demand a replay, along with a number of other completely dodgy rules which just so happened to assist Collingwood.
As for an unsurpassed record, exactly which bit?
Tucky finished 2nd in the B&F 7 times and was 3rd twice.Tuck won 7 flags and I think he came 2nd in the B and F 5 times - pretty much always to Matthews - who would be top 3 GOAT for pretty much everyone, if not GOAT.
BTW: Mike Sheehan reckons Collier is #48.
5 spots behind Michael Tuck.
He couldn't find a spot for Laurie Nash in the top 50, so it's probably best to set aside his notions of pre-war players.
NRL they decided only players in living memory of the selectors when they started the Immortals in the 1980s.
A common sense idea. Not often found in sports.
If there was another c in his surname he'd certainly be the most memorable
Some of what you've said here is extremely misleading at best, and some of it just incorrect! Roy Cazaly had 14 seasons in the VFL (8 St Kilda/6 South Melbourne), but in 7 of them his club either didn't have such an award, or it's just possible they did but the records have been lost. He also didn't play at all in 3 seasons between 1911-1927.Cazaly spent the vast majority of his career in crap teams. Only played in a couple of winning finals matches from what I am aware. Had a career of impressive longevity for the time managed only one best and fairest and that was in a team that finished last. Played many games for Victoria but that seems to be his most impressive individual on field accomplishment.