Oppo Camp OTHER CLUB Trade and F/A Discussion

[Scritchyscroony]

Sheehan and Edmund were talking about the Dees being up to something very big this offseason.
The Lynch move might not be as far fetched as people think. He's exactly what the Dees want, they have the cap for him when Grundy goes and they have the draft picks to get a deal done.
From Richmond's point of view, they are in rebuild mode now. Cashing in Lynch for high end draft capital would have it's appeal.
For Lynch, a chance to jump over to a team in the hunt for a flag.

 

[vindaloo]

Sheehan and Edmund were talking about the Dees being up to something very big this offseason.
The Lynch move might not be as far fetched as people think. He's exactly what the Dees want, they have the cap for him when Grundy goes and they have the draft picks to get a deal done.
From Richmond's point of view, they are in rebuild mode now. Cashing in Lynch for high end draft capital would have it's appeal.
For Lynch, a chance to jump over to a team in the hunt for a flag.

Pity the Grundy contract will be a stumbling block when we are completely.pff.the books.

or so I hope

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Sheehan and Edmund were talking about the Dees being up to something very big this offseason.
The Lynch move might not be as far fetched as people think. He's exactly what the Dees want, they have the cap for him when Grundy goes and they have the draft picks to get a deal done.
From Richmond's point of view, they are in rebuild mode now. Cashing in Lynch for high end draft capital would have it's appeal.
For Lynch, a chance to jump over to a team in the hunt for a flag.

I also heard them laughing about all the bs trade rumours going around regarding Dee's in particular.. they all expect it to be the quietest trade period in years. Probably why there are so many fake rumours.

 

[Edmund hunt]

If Grundy's contract isn't paid partly by another club I think the Grundy to Sydney deal will not go though.

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[Scritchyscroony]

I also heard them laughing about all the bs trade rumours going around regarding Dee's in particular.. they all expect it to be the quietest trade period in years. Probably why there are so many fake rumours.

I think it's all but guaranteed that the Dees will be throwing the kitchen sink at luring an established key forward this offseason.
They will be shopping and they'll have the trade capital and cap space. The only question is whether or not there's a seller.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

If Grundy's contract isn't paid partly by another club I think the Grundy to Sydney deal will not go though.

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It will be. Only Question is... Will it be paid partly by Collingwood or Melbourne? Most likely we cough up.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

I think it's all but guaranteed that the Dees will be throwing the kitchen sink at luring an established key forward this offseason.
They will be shopping and they'll have the trade capital and cap space. The only question is whether or not there's a seller.

Maybe. They also have a few who will be returning from injury next year. The point being the rumours link them to EVERY single full forward in the comp. Throw a dart kind of stuff but there's been nothing with any any substantive evidence behind any of them. Just throwing out names.

 

[Copeland]

Pity the Grundy contract will be a stumbling block when we are completely.pff.the books.

or so I hope

How much longer do we have to pay for Grundy?

 

[riddick78]

How much longer do we have to pay for Grundy?

For the remainder of his contract, which i think is 4 more years.

But i read an article, (i'm trying to find the link), that our contract is between us and Melbourne/Grundy not us and Sydney/Grundy, whether we are trying to get out of paying him or count it outside the salary cap.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Some games being played now.

Collingwood know Melbourne are desperate to move Grundy. So does Sydney.

Melbourne are being backed into a corner and will have to cough up to move him.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Some games being played now.

Collingwood know Melbourne are desperate to move Grundy. So does Sydney.

Melbourne are being backed into a corner and will have to cough up to move him.

Can try to argue about contract semantics but at the end of the day there will be no benefit to collingwood. If pies get off the books with the Grundy trade, the trade simply won't happen and nor will any other club be interested, he'll stay at Melbourne and you will be paying out the contract anyway. Only one it screws is Grundy, again. Pies decided to cut their losses and accept that they'd be paying 350 a year for the next 4. makes no difference where he's playing.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Can try to argue about contract semantics but at the end of the day there will be no benefit to collingwood. If pies get off the books with the Grundy trade, the trade simply won't happen and nor will any other club be interested, he'll stay at Melbourne and you will be paying out the contract anyway. Only one it screws is Grundy, again. Pies decided to cut their losses and accept that they'd be paying 350 a year for the next 4. makes no difference where he's playing.

I disagree. Given the circumstances; when, (not if) Grundy requests a trade it will be very hard for Melbourne to deny it just because they have to take over Collingwood's part of his payments (if so). They will still be saving cap space by trading out a guy they don't need and who doesn't want to be there.. Forcing him to stay on is hardly a good option for Melbourne.

Sydney might just have to cough up a better draft pick in order to compensate Melbourne and get it done. Grundy won't feel very "valued" at Sydney either if they are not prepared to do this to get him. First rounder will get it done.

 

[sr36]

Can try to argue about contract semantics but at the end of the day there will be no benefit to collingwood. If pies get off the books with the Grundy trade, the trade simply won't happen and nor will any other club be interested, he'll stay at Melbourne and you will be paying out the contract anyway. Only one it screws is Grundy, again. Pies decided to cut their losses and accept that they'd be paying 350 a year for the next 4. makes no difference where he's playing.

Personally I think that Collingwood will be paying the full agreement regardless as I can't imagine contracts being stuffed up to the point where we don't.

But the rumoured figure were paying is $250,000. It's not impossible for the deal to happen without our payment. There will be three parties looking for the deal to happen - Grundy, Melbourne and Sydney - if theyre all willing to shift $80,000 from his current arrangement - done. And Melb and Grundy may be willing to shift more than that.

 

[Scud2]

Melbourne aren't tight on cap space, it just hasn't worked for them structurally. Historically even with a strong ruckman melb always recruit a ready backup. Its no skin off their nose keeping Grundy with an ageing Gawn.

I'm not saying there might not be wriggle room for collingwood with the way the contract was written. But there's also duty of care. No point bringing up what Sydney 'values' him when collingwood are the ones who pushed the bloke out the door when he was dedicated to the club. Every decision in the debacle was collingwoods. The decision to sign him - then push him out - then accept to pay part of the contract to get him out. Brodies career is on the line due to collingwoods incompetency and now they want to stick their foot into it further by complicating a trade for the poor fella. Like I said, pies decided to cut their losses and were resigned to paying part of his contract for the next 4 years. They need to just move on.

Took more than one party to sign the initial contract.

Brodie and his camp are just as guilty as Collingwood for that contract - if not more.

 

[Pendles!]

Melbourne aren't tight on cap space, it just hasn't worked for them structurally. Historically even with a strong ruckman melb always recruit a ready backup. Its no skin off their nose keeping Grundy with an ageing Gawn.

I'm not saying there might not be wriggle room for collingwood with the way the contract was written. But there's also duty of care. No point bringing up what Sydney 'values' him when collingwood are the ones who pushed the bloke out the door when he was dedicated to the club. Every decision in the debacle was collingwoods. The decision to sign him - then push him out - then accept to pay part of the contract to get him out. Brodies career is on the line due to collingwoods incompetency and now they want to stick their foot into it further by complicating a trade for the poor fella. Like I said, pies decided to cut their losses and were resigned to paying part of his contract for the next 4 years. They need to just move on.

“Poor fella” give me a break.

 

[ipswichpies]

Melbourne aren't tight on cap space, it just hasn't worked for them structurally. Historically even with a strong ruckman melb always recruit a ready backup. Its no skin off their nose keeping Grundy with an ageing Gawn.

I'm not saying there might not be wriggle room for collingwood with the way the contract was written. But there's also duty of care. No point bringing up what Sydney 'values' him when collingwood are the ones who pushed the bloke out the door when he was dedicated to the club. Every decision in the debacle was collingwoods. The decision to sign him - then push him out - then accept to pay part of the contract to get him out. Brodies career is on the line due to collingwoods incompetency and now they want to stick their foot into it further by complicating a trade for the poor fella. Like I said, pies decided to cut their losses and were resigned to paying part of his contract for the next 4 years. They need to just move on.

You sound just like any entitled Swans fan, for your information Grundy was the 1 pushing for 7 yrs and apparently was happy to take a pay cut at the Dees but had no intention of doing the same to stay with the Pies. He was s------- for his last 3 seasons and you are asking us to give him a break, mate it seems the only reason he chose the Swans is because he can do what he has done for the last 4 seasons and that namely is to coast along which Port did not want.

He is the man who told us a flag would not define him and mate he is proving that with every year that goes by, mate go to your own board your fiction is not needed here.

 

[Seedsfan]

Melbourne aren't tight on cap space, it just hasn't worked for them structurally. Historically even with a strong ruckman melb always recruit a ready backup. Its no skin off their nose keeping Grundy with an ageing Gawn.

I'm not saying there might not be wriggle room for collingwood with the way the contract was written. But there's also duty of care. No point bringing up what Sydney 'values' him when collingwood are the ones who pushed the bloke out the door when he was dedicated to the club. Every decision in the debacle was collingwoods. The decision to sign him - then push him out - then accept to pay part of the contract to get him out. Brodies career is on the line due to collingwoods incompetency and now they want to stick their foot into it further by complicating a trade for the poor fella. Like I said, pies decided to cut their losses and were resigned to paying part of his contract for the next 4 years. They need to just move on.

Piss off idiot

 

[gouki88]

Melbourne aren't tight on cap space, it just hasn't worked for them structurally. Historically even with a strong ruckman melb always recruit a ready backup. Its no skin off their nose keeping Grundy with an ageing Gawn.

I'm not saying there might not be wriggle room for collingwood with the way the contract was written. But there's also duty of care. No point bringing up what Sydney 'values' him when collingwood are the ones who pushed the bloke out the door when he was dedicated to the club. Every decision in the debacle was collingwoods. The decision to sign him - then push him out - then accept to pay part of the contract to get him out. Brodies career is on the line due to collingwoods incompetency and now they want to stick their foot into it further by complicating a trade for the poor fella. Like I said, pies decided to cut their losses and were resigned to paying part of his contract for the next 4 years. They need to just move on.

Very neutral opinion

 

[jmac70]

Melbourne aren't tight on cap space, it just hasn't worked for them structurally. Historically even with a strong ruckman melb always recruit a ready backup. Its no skin off their nose keeping Grundy with an ageing Gawn.

I'm not saying there might not be wriggle room for collingwood with the way the contract was written. But there's also duty of care. No point bringing up what Sydney 'values' him when collingwood are the ones who pushed the bloke out the door when he was dedicated to the club. Every decision in the debacle was collingwoods. The decision to sign him - then push him out - then accept to pay part of the contract to get him out. Brodies career is on the line due to collingwoods incompetency and now they want to stick their foot into it further by complicating a trade for the poor fella. Like I said, pies decided to cut their losses and were resigned to paying part of his contract for the next 4 years. They need to just move on.

We have moved on into a grand final. Don’t give a shit what Grundy so

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Melbourne aren't tight on cap space, it just hasn't worked for them structurally. Historically even with a strong ruckman melb always recruit a ready backup. Its no skin off their nose keeping Grundy with an ageing Gawn.

I'm not saying there might not be wriggle room for collingwood with the way the contract was written. But there's also duty of care. No point bringing up what Sydney 'values' him when collingwood are the ones who pushed the bloke out the door when he was dedicated to the club. Every decision in the debacle was collingwoods. The decision to sign him - then push him out - then accept to pay part of the contract to get him out. Brodies career is on the line due to collingwoods incompetency and now they want to stick their foot into it further by complicating a trade for the poor fella. Like I said, pies decided to cut their losses and were resigned to paying part of his contract for the next 4 years. They need to just move on.

Mate. Grundy's been making close to a million dollars a year for the last 3 years, he's not doing that badly. He didnt want to take a pay cut.... fair enough. He only wanted to play for Melbourne ..... fair enough. If he wants to play at a different club, that's between him, Melbourne and the new club. I doubt that the payment that collingwood makes will be made null and void by the trade, however if it does then an agreement will be reached where Collingwood receive some benefit. Sydney may have to pay 50K more a year or Melbourne may have to pay 50K a year or Grundy may receive 50k less a year or some combo of the above. It depends who wants the deal the most. It wouldnt be the end of the world for Grundy to be at Melbourne next year earning his 950k. Its a bit ironic to be crying 'poor Grundy'.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Melbourne aren't tight on cap space, it just hasn't worked for them structurally. Historically even with a strong ruckman melb always recruit a ready backup. Its no skin off their nose keeping Grundy with an ageing Gawn.

I'm not saying there might not be wriggle room for collingwood with the way the contract was written. But there's also duty of care. No point bringing up what Sydney 'values' him when collingwood are the ones who pushed the bloke out the door when he was dedicated to the club. Every decision in the debacle was collingwoods. The decision to sign him - then push him out - then accept to pay part of the contract to get him out. Brodies career is on the line due to collingwoods incompetency and now they want to stick their foot into it further by complicating a trade for the poor fella. Like I said, pies decided to cut their losses and were resigned to paying part of his contract for the next 4 years. They need to just move on.

You must have missed the bit about the Pies being willing to keep him had he been willing to actually take a haircut in his contract in line with his performance.

Sure there was absolutely no obligation on Grundy’s part. But plenty of players have done so in the past and to say every decision was Collingwood’s is simply incorrect.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Can try to argue about contract semantics but at the end of the day there will be no benefit to collingwood. If pies get off the books with the Grundy trade, the trade simply won't happen and nor will any other club be interested, he'll stay at Melbourne and you will be paying out the contract anyway. Only one it screws is Grundy, again. Pies decided to cut their losses and accept that they'd be paying 350 a year for the next 4. makes no difference where he's playing.

You’re right, it makes no difference to us where he plays, but if we’re paying him then Grundy playing VFL at Casey and strangling Melbourne’s trade opportunities is much more attractive to us than him playing no1 ruck at Sydney which benefits 2 opponents.

 

[Maze]

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Melbourne aren't tight on cap space, it just hasn't worked for them structurally. Historically even with a strong ruckman melb always recruit a ready backup. Its no skin off their nose keeping Grundy with an ageing Gawn.

I'm not saying there might not be wriggle room for collingwood with the way the contract was written. But there's also duty of care. No point bringing up what Sydney 'values' him when collingwood are the ones who pushed the bloke out the door when he was dedicated to the club. Every decision in the debacle was collingwoods. The decision to sign him - then push him out - then accept to pay part of the contract to get him out. Brodies career is on the line due to collingwoods incompetency and now they want to stick their foot into it further by complicating a trade for the poor fella. Like I said, pies decided to cut their losses and were resigned to paying part of his contract for the next 4 years. They need to just move on.

Problem is Grundy was dedicated to himself not the team, he held pies to huge salary and term length knowing they still had to try and sign others such as Moore and Degoey. Pies buckled and hence the backflip. Pies will cop additional 4 years of paying for their error.
Players at other successful teams have taken unders. Grundy showed his hand as a non team player and now copping his comeuppance. Dee's will get a 2nd rounder and move on. Sydney will pay remainder of salary with pies

 

[magpies42]

$350k a year? ...it goes up every time it's mentioned.

Hopefully we can get that amount lowered when he moves to Sydney.

If we are paying part of his salary when he goes to Sydney we should get part of the compensation as well. Easy to split picks these days. Otherwise go jump

 

[soreplums]

If we are paying part of his salary when he goes to Sydney we should get part of the compensation as well. Easy to split picks these days. Otherwise go jump

Interesting concept. Has there been a player ontraded where a third club is paying his salary?
Could this be a loophole to be exposed to get us off the hook?
Would be funny if we had to agree to the trade too given we are still paying part of his wage