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It won't matter how many games some of these guys are gifted the result in 2 yrs will be exactly the same it is now.
Opinion Our Current Rebuild Will Ultimately Fail - Prove Me Wrong
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- Oct 16, 2015
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I'm not going early, I'm saying people here would be up in arms about the deal.
I know JHF will be a super player, but I've been surprised how good Rachelle has been.
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Other than Himmelberg, who are the players "The club is backing players that everyone else knows aren't going to deliver"
Our drafting, trading, selection and development has been nonsensical for years.
There are clear disconnects across the Club in these areas, and we're going nowhere until they're addressed.
There are clear disconnects across the Club in these areas, and we're going nowhere until they're addressed.
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Posters on here try and talk them up but there's no getting away from the fact that too many of our first round draftees are either busts or have a low ceiling. Talk them up with Crows coloured glasses but their best games are only middle of the road and then they have more poor games.
Too many of them seem to have poor decision making, poor disposal, lack footy smarts etc. Very few of these things are fixable too a finals standard.
I look with envy so many other clubs with players picked around or after our picks from the same drafts, who are already killing it.
I said a couple of years ago that this would be a very long rebuild and on the evidence of the first couple of rounds we haven't made any progress. Freo at home and bottom four touted Pies. Lucky we didn't play top eight clubs!
Posters saying we should trade for a couple of A grade mids are kidding themselves if they think anyone other than an ex SA player would look at coming to us. Dawson was surprising and out of the blue, his decision I'm sure was Covid border closure related. He believed what our hierachy told him about the state of our list, but after the first two rounds realises he's been sold a big fib.
The rebuild will eventually get there but those who thought we would be on the edge of the eight this year and definitely playing finals in 2023 need to recalibrate. We could get to the bye with only one or two wins and let's not have a couple of narrow wins late in the season to damage our draft position. We only have a first and second rounder, let them be 1-2, 19-20 please.
Too many of them seem to have poor decision making, poor disposal, lack footy smarts etc. Very few of these things are fixable too a finals standard.
I look with envy so many other clubs with players picked around or after our picks from the same drafts, who are already killing it.
I said a couple of years ago that this would be a very long rebuild and on the evidence of the first couple of rounds we haven't made any progress. Freo at home and bottom four touted Pies. Lucky we didn't play top eight clubs!
Posters saying we should trade for a couple of A grade mids are kidding themselves if they think anyone other than an ex SA player would look at coming to us. Dawson was surprising and out of the blue, his decision I'm sure was Covid border closure related. He believed what our hierachy told him about the state of our list, but after the first two rounds realises he's been sold a big fib.
The rebuild will eventually get there but those who thought we would be on the edge of the eight this year and definitely playing finals in 2023 need to recalibrate. We could get to the bye with only one or two wins and let's not have a couple of narrow wins late in the season to damage our draft position. We only have a first and second rounder, let them be 1-2, 19-20 please.
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I could give you a long list - but maybe you should add "to a finals standard" because too many won't make it to that more intense standard.
I get why you don't want coaches participating in drafting and list management but there is a clear divide between our recruiters intentions and the coaches team selection policies. This obsession with player midfielders as forwards for example is totally ridiculous, especially given our first choice mids are terrible and not getting the job done.
100% agree! But all we have is Schoenberg and Dawson who will be our key midfielders in the future.
Ever since Danger left, it was evident that we needed midfielders. In 2016, we should’ve landed after Gibbs but unwilling to cough up where we would’ve added needed experience in the midfield. In that draft, we select Gallucci a small forward….
The club has failed in the areas of drafting and trading players in. We have been begging for midfielders that have elite written over them, but we select KPD in McAsey or small players in Gallucci, Jones, McHenry.
I’m the last two years we have started to transform our trading and drafting such as getting in RT, Dawson and Rachele, but those failed years have set us back where Hamish’s job needs to be assessed.
- Oct 16, 2015
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You need to go back and look at whether there were elite mids available at our picks in 2016, 2017 and 2018 and they just weren't.
2016, we had pick 15 - Jarrod Berry is the best mid taken after that pick
2017 - we had pick 12 - Zac Bailey and a mature Tim Kelly the best options in the rest of the draft, but we landed Fogarty, who at the time was a KPF from SA, and very highly talked about.
2018 - Yes, we missed Butters, but who else - Caldwell, Duursma, Stocker?
2019 - Serong, small mid/forward (great player), but not elite mid, Flanders, Robertson?
Rowell, Walsh, Bailey Smith, Brayshaw, Taranto were all gone before out picks.
Good luck trying to attract players from after the camp! It's only when Pyke et. al left were we able to change the culture and perception, thus attracting some decent prospects (Hately, Dawson).
People complain we are terrible at drafting, but they never say (other than Butters) who we should have selected!
BTW, Schoenberg was a great piece of drafting, we picked him right after port, the master drafters, didn't rate him and selected Williams. In fact, they drafted Bergman at 14!
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What makes me shake my head about analysis like this it “but who would we have picked” You’ve then listed a bunch of mids who would make our midfield a heap stronger. Not saying we’d get all of them but one would make a difference, get 2 right and that’s huge given our midfield stocks. We didn’t get one right, not one!!!
And Bergman is a good player. We also picked McAsey whilst they drafted Georgiadis.
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Agree to disagree then.
I don't think Durrsma, Stocker, Caldwell, Berry offer anything to make our mids better. Berry is a solid player, but I think Keays and Laird are ahead of him.
Kelly sure, he's a pretty decent player, but turning 28 this year.
Bailey is the one, SA boy, perhaps we should be making a play for him.
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Ok, how about just Butters then? Or Butters and Bailey? As for Berry, he's on a list, unlike Gallucci.....
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No club gets every single pick right, even the very best ones. And it gets harder as you move further down the draft.
Who's the best recruiting club out there? If we sack ours, then who are we replacing them with? I'll show you picks they have stuffed up early in the draft and then we can complain about them too.
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I’ve not said every club gets their picks right, what I’ve said is getting one or 2 right can make a huge difference and given you names, names that you actually showed we missed.
You’ve tried to excuse our shit midfield drafting when we have a shit midfield and yet given us quality players we could have drafted!
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Bailey is actually a NT boy, attended school here in SA on a scholarship I'm pretty sure. Absolutely no doubt though he's a product of the Northern Territory. CrowinNT
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So our midfield is that bad, but just adding Zac Bailey would make us a huge difference?
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Would be better, do you disagree? How about if we picked 2 decent mids from your list and added Butters, would we be a lot better?
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You get what he’s saying? Can you explain it please. We have a shit midfield and we could have drafted better midfielders.
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That doesn’t excuse the non-drafting of one or 2 quality mids from a list that were available which is what he’s trying to do.
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When you're finished watching the 97 gf on vhs.... flick on a current game and observe greatness before your very eyes.
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A club doesnt just "recover" from losing its first 2 rounds of picks 2 years running, its something felt for the entire time those players could have influenced the club. That just reminds me of how Scott Morrison told renters that if they dont want to rent, just "buy a house"
