Our Rookie Elevation?

[Al Scorcho]

Has anyone heard about who we are elevating? I would assume Blair if anyone but we don't really need a midfielder at the moment (beams, rusty, bahram, wellingham, cook, stanely etc all young mids trying to make a name) so not sure if their would be any point to it. Do we have to elevate one right now or can we wait? What are everyone elses thoughts as i haven't seen this brought up on the board?

 

[magpies42]

Has anyone heard about who we are elevating? I would assume Blair if anyone but we don't really need a midfielder at the moment (beams, rusty, bahram, wellingham, cook, stanely etc all young mids trying to make a name) so not sure if their would be any point to it. Do we have to elevate one right now or can we wait? What are everyone elses thoughts as i haven't seen this brought up on the board?

i dare say that whoever is elevated wont be a speculative addition. They really need to step up with there progress, as our list is very healthy at the minute. I spose it all depends on how many players will be delisted and traded at the end of the season.

I cant see to many retirements bar rocca
stanley looks like he may be shafted, no love from the coaching staff.
thoolan doesnt warrant a spot nor does toovey yet he plays every week

its a mystery for me atm

 

[didaka]

Seen as though we have no glaring injuries right now, we should give it a little time and see what goes.

It would be a little bit silly to elevate say Blair after round 11 with no injuries and then have 2 of our 3 ruckman go down for 4 weeks and not be able to upgrade say Keefe (although he's a long way off).

 

[Al Scorcho]

Seen as though we have no glaring injuries right now, we should give it a little time and see what goes.

It would be a little bit silly to elevate say Blair after round 11 with no injuries and then have 2 of our 3 ruckman go down for 4 weeks and not be able to upgrade say Keefe (although he's a long way off).

I guess that's were i am confused...the rookie system allows you to upgrade a player if you get a mass sweep of injuries (well i guess they do need to be long term injuries...) whereas this new deal gives you the ability to upgrade a player to the senior list at (or from?) round 11...so do you upgrade cos of injuries or on merit? the current system provides for injuries whereas i feel this new feature is more for well performing players...and yet i still agree that we should wait (if possible) in case we get injuries...even though we don't technically need to...confused!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Totally confused about the new rookie rules, but if we had a gun held to our heads and had to promote a player tomorrow, it would be Blair.

But we need to keep Keefe up our sleeves as an option in case of injury.

 

[Chase the Ace]

We don't have to elevate anyone if we don't want to

 

[didaka]

Francis has shown a bit.

 

[King Woodie]

We won't elevate anyone until we intend to play them. No one has shown that they need to be in the seniors yet.

Keefe would be the front runner because he is a specialist and has fewer competitors for his role. If 2 of Wood, Fraser, or Bryan go down, he would probably come in.

Blair of the remaining would be a chance based on good (not great) form in the twos, but is still behind the likes of McCarthy, Beams, Sidebottom, Stanley, Wellingham and probably even Cook as those competing for one or two spots as an inside mid along side Pendles, Swan, O'Bree, Davis.

Francis is a slight chance after some good showings in the twos, and not as much competition for a small defensive spot after Shaw, Clarke, and Toovey, and is arguably ahead of rOunds on performance. Dyas also behind each of these, therefore writes his name out of contention.

Similarly, Scott Reed may get looked at, but hasn't grabbed the game yet, and faces competition with out-of-seniors players like Blight (showing far more), Goldsack (proven seniors performer at times), and others like Cox, Maxwell, and O'Brien.

Won't be Bennell. Couldn't possibly be Thoolen (or could it...?). Don't even want to contemplate this one.

 

[mattys123]

If we promote one it will be Blair.

Because if we do happen to get a run of ruck injuries, we have Chris Bryan as backup and Keefe really isnt ready for AFL yet anyway.

I wouldnt think we will see any movement yet though, although if Blair had a blinder this week he may earn a spot.

 

[Quicky]

Francis is being played as a tagger not a small defender King Woodie so I doubt it'll be him.

I think the logical candidates are:

Keefe - because we are light on in this position and he has shown some promising signs with his development.

Blair - has the best form of our rookie candidates. His position as a midfielder probably works against him.

Reed - Not based on form but because we got him as a NSW rookie when he probably would have got drafted in the ND had he nominated. Personally I doubt this is enough reason to elevate him but it's possible.

I think it's realistically between Keefe and Blair and I think Keefe will edge him.

 

[mattys123]

Should we now promote Jarryd Blair to the senior list? Seeing as we can promote one rookie onto the list after the Melbourne game.

It may be a little early, but his form has been clearly better then several players who have been on our list for a few years (wont name em, you know who they are).

I know we have virtually no injuries at the moment and Blair is unlikely to get a senior game in the next few weeks, but surely it would be a great reward for his efforts so far this year, and let's face it, so far he has matched everything any of our other first year players have done at VFL level.

I'd say wait another 2-3 weeks and see if he keeps this form up, because as someone once said, form is temporary, class is permanent.

I think we should promote before the end of the year though, as his form not only this year, but also last year with the Morrish medal win shows he has the class to be an AFL player, even if his height seemed an initial stumbling block.

 

[lenny&carl]

Well good on him anyhow for even coming into consideration for the senior list. He must have been playing well. There's room for shortarses at afl level, no doubt.

 

[King Woodie]

Should we now promote Jarryd Blair to the senior list? Seeing as we can promote one rookie onto the list after the Melbourne game.

It may be a little early, but his form has been clearly better then several players who have been on our list for a few years (wont name em, you know who they are).

I know we have virtually no injuries at the moment and Blair is unlikely to get a senior game in the next few weeks, but surely it would be a great reward for his efforts so far this year, and let's face it, so far he has matched everything any of our other first year players have done at VFL level.

I'd say wait another 2-3 weeks and see if he keeps this form up, because as someone once said, form is temporary, class is permanent.

I think we should promote before the end of the year though, as his form not only this year, but also last year with the Morrish medal win shows he has the class to be an AFL player, even if his height seemed an initial stumbling block.

We wouldn't promote anyone until we intend to pick them in the seniors.

What if we promoted Blair tomorrow as a "token" promotion as suggested, and then Fraser and Wood both crash into each other at training? We can't then de-promote Blair and promote Keefe.

I know we promoted Wellingham before we intended to play him, but he was named in the emergencies several times.

Good on Blair, though, I really hope he makes it.

 

[Al Scorcho]

We wouldn't promote anyone until we intend to pick them in the seniors.

What if we promoted Blair tomorrow as a "token" promotion as suggested, and then Fraser and Wood both crash into each other at training? We can't then de-promote Blair and promote Keefe.

I know we promoted Wellingham before we intended to play him, but he was named in the emergencies several times.

Good on Blair, though, I really hope he makes it.

to be a smartass...we'd play leeroy and bryan

to be serious...the more seriously injured player is put on the long term list and keefe is promoted through those means

 

[smiddaz123]

If a player is on the long term injury list he's out for a specified period of time.

If, say, Wood is out for a week or two less than that period through injury, Keefe would be ideal to promote as a rookie through this new ruling, rather than adding Wood to the LTI list and him being unavailable for longer.

We should keep this rookie promotion up our sleeve till we want to use one of the rookies, not just for the sake of promotion.

 

[Kramer]

Francis is being played as a tagger not a small defender King Woodie so I doubt it'll be him.

i figured being a tagger would make him favouite to get the spot. our team is crying out for a decent tagger. would think he'd be the only one a chance to break into the 22 for Toovey. But is Francis injured? hasnt played for a couple of weeks now has he?

 

[madsta1234]

I know danny stanely my dads works with his dad he is a very good player he was voted best vfl player 2008 he deserves to be in the senior team

 

[Al Scorcho]

I know danny stanely my dads works with his dad he is a very good player he was voted best vfl player 2008 he deserves to be in the senior team

he is already on our senior list, this thread is about our ability to put a rookie on our senior list

 

[Quicky]

i figured being a tagger would make him favouite to get the spot. our team is crying out for a decent tagger. would think he'd be the only one a chance to break into the 22 for Toovey. But is Francis injured? hasnt played for a couple of weeks now has he?

Yeah true but he is not really ready to be elevated anyway.I know he's done ok at VFL level - in the bests alot - but i'm not sure how he has gone as a tagger. Maybe one of the VFL watchers can tell us??? Also he hasn't really taken any games by the scruff of the neck either. I think Blairs form has been the best out of the rookies, Keefes has been good as well plus he adds depth to a position we're thin in. Look whats happening to Essendon atm. Realistically it should be Blair that gets put on the seniors list because I really can't see us rucking Keefe even with injuries at this stage of his development.

 

[Skade]

There's a fair chance Fraser will get injured again bashing into big body's constantly. So we really can't afford to promote a small unless their form guarantees them senior games over others bidding for the same position.

 

[Optimax]

There's a fair chance Fraser will get injured again bashing into big body's constantly. So we really can't afford to promote a small unless their form guarantees them senior games over others bidding for the same position.

so thoolen or keefe?

Thoolen hasnt rucked this year and keefe is a rack

 

[Skade]

Keeffe at this stage, but no need to rush in lets see how injuries pan out.

 

[DNine]

I think Bryan is already gone for the year, injured by "Malty hate". So bring in Keefe.

 

[joefootylover]

If there is an injury to a player we can elevate another rookie, the mid year elevation is "free" i.e it dosent stop us elevating someone else in the event of LTI.

Besides we have Bryan, Wood and <ahem> Leroy to back up Josh in the event of a short term injury.

My vote goes to Blair who is, from all reports, the stand out Magpies VFL player so far this year.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

There's a fair chance Fraser will get injured again bashing into big body's constantly. So we really can't afford to promote a small unless their form guarantees them senior games over others bidding for the same position.

Contrary to public belief, Fraser has an excellent record of durability. If he goes down we have Wood and L Brown as first choice rucks and Bryan as a backup. Fair chance we wont require Keefe this year.

Besides, its not as if you only get one promotion. You cant promote as many as you like if you have enough injured players who qualify for the LTI list.

So if their is a "free" promotion allowed now, it may as well be they player in the hottest form. Blair.