The_Groscz
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I don't agree Thorton is our best defender, but even at his worst, he's a 'body' we have down back. Put it this way he survived longer than Teague and now he's one of our coaches!! LOL!
OUT:Thornton IN: A New Backline Structure
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Wish I had said that
Hope you don't mind if I use it a few dozen times next year
Feel free to use it whenever required. It will probably be particularly relevant when we suffer the odd loss here or there & the same scapegoats get blamed for the loss.
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Why do we need Setanta - when he clearly isn't up to AFL standard ??? The days of needng "Gorillas" are long gone.... Particulary ones like Setanta no good - lets get Mick Martyn back if that is your logic.....
thylacine60
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Parrot.
What logic are you assigning to me
(none was given)You do not think you need big bodied players down back sometimes - well if you have a bevy of talent hurting the opposition going the other way and can afford to put talent like Hodge/Brown down back then maybe it is true.
A few players where big bodied (but mobile) defenders are advantageous would be Hall, Brown,Lynch, Rocca, Tredrea
Admittedly Gehrig,Neitz and Thompson are now gone
And in the future you may also need them for Cloke, Roughead, Hale, Pavlich, maybe even Mooney,Hawkins and Lloyd
Collingwood drafted Leigh Brown to cover this contingency
I did not think Setanta played a bad game until his last against Richmond - not that he was dropped as such after this - I think they said no match up v Saints and then he was injured.
I am pretty sure that Ratts said he would be an important part of our team/defense in 2009
You had better convince the coach and MC, not me, that he is not up to AFL standard
Oh yeh? How many times late in the year did we get unstuck by the resting ruckman or the tall forward?
Round 18 - Brad Moran 4 goals 1
Round 20 - David Hale 3 goals 2
Round 21 - Jono Brown 4 goals
Round 22 - Jarryd Roughead 5 goals 3
Setanta might not be the best defender going around but he gives us two things that is lacking. An Option for those resting ruckman and tall forwards, this makes our backline more balanced. The other is his aggressive/agro and passion he plays the game at. How many players do we have that stick it up to the opposition and get in their face? This is why i was pushing for Ziebell and even Hurley. While Yarran adds that spark which we lacked until now, i think people underestimate the importance of toughness and attack on the ball.
Anyway, by the sounds of things Ratten seems to have Setanta earmarked for big things down back next year. I think he is an important part to the puzzle.
Dramoth
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I agree... he is going to be required down back... possibly filling in for Waite when Waite is move down to the forward line.
A big mobile agressive CHB/FB is something that we need...
And I am quite certain that the club would have sat down with Irish and explained their reasons for delisting Aisake and re-iterating that Irish was a required player next year.
BlueYoss
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If you really didn't want the Brisbane game brought up again you wouldn't have left such a factually wrong assessment of it lying around to be corrected.
For starters, in that quarter Thornton got a fist in to spoil 4 would-be Brown marks, got his fist to another ground ball sending it from Bown's grasp to the boundary, took a mark himself and had a kick and a handball to Brown's 0 marks 2 handballs; one of which was ineffective on account of the tackle Thornton was laying on him, and the other was after taking clean possession in a rucking contest against Kreuzer.
Your 'tiring' Brown, who in that 4th quarter had no problem winning the ball against 200cm Kreuze from a throw-in also had Waite running one step behind him all of those 3 quarters that he worked his ass off but then Waite still exploded in that 4th quarter kicking 2 inspirational goals, the second of which finally gave us back the lead after literally picking up and throwing Hanley into the ground near goal to win the free.
Some times, some players just have the advantage over another, even if only for a game, or a quarter...is it so hard to admit that maybe, just maybe, Thornton played a damn fine quarter of football and had Brown's measure?
If, if, if...
...and you may have convinced some people that you have raised a point reasonably worthy of consideration, but not me.....
...not to take anything away from Mr. Anderson's courageous effort running back with the flight into the path of the charging J Brown
...but something tells me that in the form Thornton was in during that quarter, he would have had it covered anyway...
Just remember one thing...
...& by my calculations, another Brisbane goal would have levelled the scores, not won Brisbane the game
Oh, and thanks for giving me a reason to watch that quarter again guys, made my week!
Terry, send my regards to the porcelain god
thylacine60
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Raw steak for dinner again, BY? Superb work. Watched the Dome Port game yesterday uninterrupted. You think Grigga might get the odd report throughout his career or what? Love that kid's grunt.
BlueYoss
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Raw steak for dinner again, BY? Superb work. Watched the Dome Port game yesterday uninterrupted. You think Grigga might get the odd report throughout his career or what? Love that kid's grunt.
How good was that handball after he got the ball on the HBF from deep in defence and swept his left hand across his body in a single motion to find Gibbs running full steam through the middle of square without breaking stride
thylacine60
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Fair. But no doubt Chris Johnson will take his place next season.
BlueYoss
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I'm curious, after having to discard my Stewie Griffin in Carlton uniform avatar almost a year ago now after you said
(obviously not quite over it yet)...do you now read my posts in Tony's nasal and yet booming 'Joisey' accent. Bit more persuasive now?
(obviously not quite over it yet)...do you now read my posts in Tony's nasal and yet booming 'Joisey' accent. Bit more persuasive now?
thylacine60
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That's some scary indexed archive you keep there. What can I say? Fuggedabowdid...........
PS: I left a late night snack for you over on the Xmas thread.
PS: I left a late night snack for you over on the Xmas thread.
BlueYoss
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I think I'm enjoying my new persona anyway
I think I'm enjoying my new persona anyway
He's important this year. It would be nice to see him under pressure to retain his spot towards the end of the season. I don't think he will play in our next flag.
There is no other backman in the league that has had more to do than Thornton has had to do in the past 4 years.
Hardly any support and having to deal with forwards he would not have given the job on if the appropriate personnel were on hand.
With Jammo really coming on and Bower and Grigg on the flanks we will see a more comfortable and happier Thornton in years to come.
So let's support the lad. We will be glad we did.
I have enough faith in the Carlton coaching staff to conclude that Thornton will be phased out during the year. Towards the end of the year, Jammo, Grigg and Bower were assigned more dangerous players than Thornton. Thornton's role may have been to run the ball out of defence but as our kicking skills improve, it won't be long before the coaching staff finally realise he can't kick, is too slow and makes wrong decisions
No-one has yet successfully rebutted the following:
1. Thornton is too slow for the quick forwards
2. Thornton is too weak for the big forwards
3. Thornton is too slow to be a runner out of defence
4. THornton cannot drift forward and kick goals. How many has he kicked in his career?
5. There is no such thing as a third tall ie if you are in defence, you should be able to handle the most dangerous attackers
6. Thornton can't kick
7. Thornton has a bad attitude
8. Thornton played one good quarter all year i.e 2 fists against Jonathan Brown
9. Carlton's season turned out around after Thornton got injured Adelaide. i.e we played our best footy in years without a slow Thornton chipping around in defence
Thornton has been the biggest liability in our side for last 5 years
No-one has yet successfully rebutted the following:
1. Thornton is too slow for the quick forwards
2. Thornton is too weak for the big forwards
3. Thornton is too slow to be a runner out of defence
4. THornton cannot drift forward and kick goals. How many has he kicked in his career?
5. There is no such thing as a third tall ie if you are in defence, you should be able to handle the most dangerous attackers
6. Thornton can't kick
7. Thornton has a bad attitude
8. Thornton played one good quarter all year i.e 2 fists against Jonathan Brown
9. Carlton's season turned out around after Thornton got injured Adelaide. i.e we played our best footy in years without a slow Thornton chipping around in defence
Thornton has been the biggest liability in our side for last 5 years
Bradles21
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probably why he finished so high in our b'n'f, whats ur grudge against thornton? very valuable player to are team IMO, and has good skills
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We don't need Setanta - have no issue that we need backmen capable of playing on bigger bodied fwds. However you would like them to be up to AFL standard and be able to use the football effectively and read the palay as well as negate an opponent.. Setanta rarely beats his opponet the likes of JB, Pavlich etc laugh when he lines up on them, can't kick at an AFL level so there is no benefit in providing a springboard for attack and most defnitely isn't capable of reading the play and running off an opponent to springboard an attack like all the good key backs such as Fisher, Bock, Fletcher do. They beat a man as well as picking up 20+ effective disopsals. Setanta is a spud and if he is in our best 22 we wont be winning finals anytime soon. That is they idea of improvement and list development, Seatnat si part of the bad old days where we had no choice but to try and make a player out of an Irish hurling lpayer - the experiment has failed so it is time to move on and develop a natural AFL footballer who is suited to the modern game that requires more from a backmen than jsut punching the ball away in marking contests, you also need to ba able to win teh ball, use the ball, read the play and get your share of the footy. IF you can't see that Setanta isn't capable of this - then it is you my friend who has no clue baout the game
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