Ovens and King Football League 2014

[nonch]

Moyhu should be pointing at the supporter for costing them a goal not the umpire.

Having watched Moyhu against Tarra last week there were two Hoppers supporters close by yelling out to one umpire all day long and calling him by his name. While none of it was offensive language or threatening, it was unnecessary and overly personal criticism.

Obviously it's difficult when you are passionate about supporting your team, but think before you talk and let them do their job. If you're that convinced you could do it better get out there and do it!

 

[On The Lead]

I got a chance to get down to All Blacks on the weekend and see the clash between them and Doon. It was a pretty scrappy game due to conditions but the scoreboard didn't reflect the game on the field. All Blacks weren't switched on for the first quarter which cost them a chance at the game. From quarter time onwards it was a much closer, even contest. A few things that i learnt about Saturday: Sam McGregor and Cody Taylor are extremely silky, they made it look like the sun was shining all day the way their skills were, The Bonnie Doon FF (number 15 i think)was an absolute monster and took some very good contested marks in the wet conditions also put a few through the big sticks, the all blacks ground and facilities are by far one of the best in the O and K, it has a great area to stand under and the clubrooms with all the windows offer a prime spot to watch the game (especially with conditions like Saturday). All Blacks unfortunately won't win many games if any this season, but they are doing fantastic things as a club. When you aren't forking out $100,000 plus to field a senior side you can't expect to be fully competitive. I thoroughly enjoyed the cold beer, bbq and footy on Saturday. Great job to the committee at All Blacks.

 

[slim18]

I got a chance to get down to All Blacks on the weekend and see the clash between them and Doon. It was a pretty scrappy game due to conditions but the scoreboard didn't reflect the game on the field. All Blacks weren't switched on for the first quarter which cost them a chance at the game. From quarter time onwards it was a much closer, even contest. A few things that i learnt about Saturday: Sam McGregor and Cody Taylor are extremely silky, they made it look like the sun was shining all day the way their skills were, The Bonnie Doon FF (number 15 i think)was an absolute monster and took some very good contested marks in the wet conditions also put a few through the big sticks, the all blacks ground and facilities are by far one of the best in the O and K, it has a great area to stand under and the clubrooms with all the windows offer a prime spot to watch the game (especially with conditions like Saturday). All Blacks unfortunately won't win many games if any this season, but they are doing fantastic things as a club. When you aren't forking out $100,000 plus to field a senior side you can't expect to be fully competitive. I thoroughly enjoyed the cold beer, bbq and footy on Saturday. Great job to the committee at All Blacks.

Cheers OTL...we try...

 

[Wilmam12]

All this talk about the 50m penalty is interesting . However, I must commend the umpire on this occasion . How gutsy that must have been to make such a decision . By making the decision , not only will that supporter remember to restrain themselves, but will also teacher younger supporters that this kind of trestment is far from acceptable . Don't have any sympathy for Moyhu

 

[Get it forward]

I reckon it starts from the top. The fact AFL Umpires cannot be criticised for fear of a hefty fine which IMHO sends the wrong message. You're right in that they do nothing to make the players familiar with them. They play an important part of each game. So their communication with others involved should start before the ball is bounced, not just when they hold the ball aloft for the start of each game.

On a similar topic, yesterday North Wang provided no boundary umpire (Greta did) so the players & The Field Umpires took turns throwing the ball back in on the far side of the ground. Luckily someone stepped in just before 1/4 time & for the rest of the game!!

I still think supporters need to pull their heads in. It may not have been the last comment that the umpire takes offence to but that may be the final straw!

Money needs to put into umpiring from the afl. The money just isn't enough. Player payment have gone through the roof but doubt umpiring payments have.

All this talk about the 50m penalty is interesting . However, I must commend the umpire on this occasion . How gutsy that must have been to make such a decision . By making the decision , not only will that supporter remember to restrain themselves, but will also teacher younger supporters that this kind of trestment is far from acceptable . Don't have any sympathy for Moyhu

I think you will find that Moyhu are not looking for sympathy. Hopefully that comes across in an article in tomorrows Chronicle!

 

[slim18]

Having watched Moyhu against Tarra last week there were two Hoppers supporters close by yelling out to one umpire all day long and calling him by his name. While none of it was offensive language or threatening, it was unnecessary and overly personal criticism.

Obviously it's difficult when you are passionate about supporting your team, but think before you talk and let them do their job. If you're that convinced you could do it better get out there and do it!

Not the first time Moyhu has been let down by it's people, weren't they fined a few years back during the finals for one their supporters/officials having a go at an umpire (emergency ?) during a final at Nth W or Whorouly....That being said I've always found them to be a good club. It's almost impossible to control those who pay their $10 to walk thru the gate and like to have their say....as we well know

 

[franklinGWS]

The simple facts are there are rules in which an Umpire can award a 50m penalty . There is no rule that says an Umpire can an award a 50m penalty because of crowd abuse , well anywhere I can find . They can award a 50m penalty against any player or official for abusive language eg Club people on the bench but not against the crowd . I am not condoning Crowd abuse as I agree it is not welcome but in regards to the 50m penalty if it was paid due to crowd abuse and they are not officials or at the time proven to be officials it simply cannot be done . So if it was just the crowd abuse for the 50m penalty there is no way to argue it . It is simply the wrong decision.

I think the Umpires need to remember they must not make up Rules as this could lead to disaster and be to there detriment , if they are having trouble with the Crowd they should either ( depending on their interpretation of the degree) walk of the ground or speak to the Coach , President or Captain of who they believe to be the offending Club .

It was the wrong decision and it will be interesting to see if they can admit that it was wrong . I can understand that Umpires go into denial about certain clearly wrong decisions made during the game to the degree that they make fools of themselves trying to justify it in essence saying that no one else understands the rules like them , instead of just saying I made the wrong decision and we all move on understanding that this happens .. But there reaction to this clanger will be interesting .

In regards to Umpires they have all received a 20% pay increase this year and I'm not suggesting its enough yet a a significant increase just the same .

In regards to Umpire abuse from the Crowd .. Players get it just as bad from the Crowd and sometimes Umps you just have to suck it up and not feel obliged that you need to be the standard setters for Crowd behaviour .They have processes available to them if they arn't happy with certain Clubs crowd behaviour . But in some circumstances who knows who these people actually are ??? Which is probably why you cant award a 50m penalty for it because before awarding the 50m you really need to identify the status of the perceived offender .

Next we'll have a free kick for a rushed behind in the O and K which isn't a rule applicable to O and K either ..

 

[hard knocks]

The simple facts are there are rules in which an Umpire can award a 50m penalty . There is no rule that says an Umpire can an award a 50m penalty because of crowd abuse , well anywhere I can find . They can award a 50m penalty against any player or official for abusive language eg Club people on the bench but not against the crowd . I am not condoning Crowd abuse as I agree it is not welcome but in regards to the 50m penalty if it was paid due to crowd abuse and they are not officials or at the time proven to be officials it simply cannot be done . So if it was just the crowd abuse for the 50m penalty there is no way to argue it . It is simply the wrong decision.

I think the Umpires need to remember they must not make up Rules as this could lead to disaster and be to there detriment , if they are having trouble with the Crowd they should either ( depending on their interpretation of the degree) walk of the ground or speak to the Coach , President or Captain of who they believe to be the offending Club .

It was the wrong decision and it will be interesting to see if they can admit that it was wrong . I can understand that Umpires go into denial about certain clearly wrong decisions made during the game to the degree that they make fools of themselves trying to justify it in essence saying that no one else understands the rules like them , instead of just saying I made the wrong decision and we all move on understanding that this happens .. But there reaction to this clanger will be interesting .

In regards to Umpires they have all received a 20% pay increase this year and I'm not suggesting its enough yet a a significant increase just the same .

In regards to Umpire abuse from the Crowd .. Players get it just as bad from the Crowd and sometimes Umps you just have to suck it up and not feel obliged that you need to be the standard setters for Crowd behaviour .They have processes available to them if they arn't happy with certain Clubs crowd behaviour . But in some circumstances who knows who these people actually are ??? Which is probably why you cant award a 50m penalty for it because before awarding the 50m you really need to identify the status of the perceived offender .

Next we'll have a free kick for a rushed behind in the O and K which isn't a rule applicable to O and K either ..

Led to believe that the umpire himself who paid this 50m free, informed moyhu coach staff durning the 3/4 time break that the abusive language must stop or a 50m free will be paid. All I can say is tough luck moyhu it was a must win game and one of your own support decided your fait for 2014

 

[rumble]

Well



Well I think you will find it is a rule & I know for a fact the supporter in question used the umpires name!
I was at the game to just watch a game of footy but I thought it was well umpired.

Regrading the Whorouly player coming onto the field well the siren had gone so last time I checked that's isn't against the rules either.
You really seem to be taking a Moyhu side here!!

I didn't say it wasn't well umpired, I was just wanting to debate about umpires and whether there was an actual rule set in place to penalise supporters. If there is I think it is a little bit petty, but if that is the rule that is the rule. The fact the supporter used the umpires name shouldn't be a factor - should depend more on what is said.

In regards to you saying I am taking a Moyhu side about a player running onto the ground at 3/4 time I don't know where you get that from Capper. I was just stating what was said to me and that it is disturbing if a player is allowed to run onto the ground though and maybe this should be addressed.

 

[rumble]

At my club this year the umpires have been asked in to have a quick talk to players. They are introduced by name and it's pointed out to players that they are normal guys out there because they love football. A few clarifications of rules are passed on by umpires and they go on there way. Respect for umpires among players and supporters who witness this has risen significantly. The umpires make by far less mistakes than players at this level of footy. The standard of umpiring will not change much and we should stop worrying about it and respect them for what they are doing for the game. Moyhu should be pointing at the supporter for costing them a goal not the umpire.

That is a terrific idea Brock - building a good relationship between umpires and players is very important.
And you are totally right about the umpire not costing the goal - absolutely it is the supporters fault.

 

[rumble]

The simple facts are there are rules in which an Umpire can award a 50m penalty . There is no rule that says an Umpire can an award a 50m penalty because of crowd abuse , well anywhere I can find . They can award a 50m penalty against any player or official for abusive language eg Club people on the bench but not against the crowd . I am not condoning Crowd abuse as I agree it is not welcome but in regards to the 50m penalty if it was paid due to crowd abuse and they are not officials or at the time proven to be officials it simply cannot be done . So if it was just the crowd abuse for the 50m penalty there is no way to argue it . It is simply the wrong decision.

I think the Umpires need to remember they must not make up Rules as this could lead to disaster and be to there detriment , if they are having trouble with the Crowd they should either ( depending on their interpretation of the degree) walk of the ground or speak to the Coach , President or Captain of who they believe to be the offending Club .

It was the wrong decision and it will be interesting to see if they can admit that it was wrong . I can understand that Umpires go into denial about certain clearly wrong decisions made during the game to the degree that they make fools of themselves trying to justify it in essence saying that no one else understands the rules like them , instead of just saying I made the wrong decision and we all move on understanding that this happens .. But there reaction to this clanger will be interesting .

In regards to Umpires they have all received a 20% pay increase this year and I'm not suggesting its enough yet a a significant increase just the same .

In regards to Umpire abuse from the Crowd .. Players get it just as bad from the Crowd and sometimes Umps you just have to suck it up and not feel obliged that you need to be the standard setters for Crowd behaviour .They have processes available to them if they arn't happy with certain Clubs crowd behaviour . But in some circumstances who knows who these people actually are ??? Which is probably why you cant award a 50m penalty for it because before awarding the 50m you really need to identify the status of the perceived offender .

Next we'll have a free kick for a rushed behind in the O and K which isn't a rule applicable to O and K either ..

Thank you for clarifying that FranklinGWS - I saw your message after the others sorry. If it isn't a rule well then the umpire has made a very big error and all the things you stated are appropriate ways that a problem should be addressed.
But there reaction to this clanger will be interesting - I wonder if anything will come of it though. Will be interesting to know if Moyhu has sought any clarification from the league or umpires board???

 

[Get it forward]

Led to believe that the umpire himself who paid this 50m free, informed moyhu coach staff durning the 3/4 time break that the abusive language must stop or a 50m free will be paid. All I can say is tough luck moyhu it was a must win game and one of your own support decided your fait for 2014

No that was not the case, the Moyhu coaching staff was not told a thing. And the incident happened in the 3rd quarter so that would have been after the free kick was given.

Um "deciding your fait for 2014"???? There is still a lot of football to be played this year.

Thank you for clarifying that FranklinGWS - I saw your message after the others sorry. If it isn't a rule well then the umpire has made a very big error and all the things you stated are appropriate ways that a problem should be addressed.
But there reaction to this clanger will be interesting - I wonder if anything will come of it though. Will be interesting to know if Moyhu has sought any clarification from the league or umpires board???

I think you will find the Moyhu won't be looking into the incident other than too do further education with players and supporters as to not abuse umpires as stated by the coach in todays Chronicle!

 

[full on the fence]

I didn't say it wasn't well umpired, I was just wanting to debate about umpires and whether there was an actual rule set in place to penalise supporters. If there is I think it is a little bit petty, but if that is the rule that is the rule. The fact the supporter used the umpires name shouldn't be a factor - should depend more on what is said.

In regards to you saying I am taking a Moyhu side about a player running onto the ground at 3/4 time I don't know where you get that from Capper. I was just stating what was said to me and that it is disturbing if a player is allowed to run onto the ground though and maybe this should be addressed.[/QUOTE]

Its pretty ordinary for a player to run from the bench to be involved, and i also hear that the umpire in mention is related to the Whorouly coach

 

[The Bunyip]

I'm not buying into whether what happened was right, wrong or otherwise.
I've heard first hand from a player who heard it all that the spectator definately used the umpires name.
But rather than abuse him he yelled for the ump to "get closer to the play" or words to that effect.

 

[Get it forward]

I'm not buying into whether what happened was right, wrong or otherwise.
I've heard first hand from a player who heard it all that the spectator definately used the umpires name.
But rather than abuse him he yelled for the ump to "get closer to the play" or words to that effect.

Yes that is correct Bunyip!

I think that was just the last straw after two weeks of abuse from that person towards the umpire as the umpire umpired the Tarra v's Moyhu game the week before.

 

[Lionel Richie]

As the moyhu coach stated, people simply can't abuse umpires, whether your a player, official or supporter! In regards to a player coming off the bench when the melee started, the siren had sounded before it erupted and it all happened directly beside the whorouly bench, so although not condoning the alleged player being involved, can anybody show proof that he was involved with malicious intent, or simply trying to dissolve the situation? And I'm not aware of the relationship between umpire and whorouly coach if any, but what difference would it make? Are you implying that he gave the 50 to help whorouly achieve the outcome it did? C'mon, the 50 was given a long time before 3/4 time, and along time before the game was even close to being finished, to even bring that nonsense up, casts a shadow over what was simply a fantastic game of physical footy between 2 passionate clubs!

 

[Bucks no chance]

What's everyone's tips for this weekends game?

 

[Thats Ambitious]

Just a little perspective, last weekend Ballan defeated Smythesdale 321 to 6 in the seniors and 232 to 0 in the seconds. Ballan is sitting 10th in the Central Highlands League.... Old Swanny and tatong dont look too bad now!!

 

[freeagent]

Not the first time Moyhu has been let down by it's people, weren't they fined a few years back during the finals for one their supporters/officials having a go at an umpire (emergency ?) during a final at Nth W or Whorouly....That being said I've always found them to be a good club. It's almost impossible to control those who pay their $10 to walk thru the gate and like to have their say....as we well know

You always pull up this one when u get a chance Slim , not sure what it has to do with last weekend?
The peanut that was mouthing off should have been told the week before to shut up and as soon as it was noticed it was the same ump warned to do the same. I'm sure it was a learning curve for all involved.

 

[Capper Ablett]

Caught up this morning with a few mates who were at the Whorouly v Moyhu match yesterday. One was supporting Moyhu and one was supporting Whorouly so there was no biase in what they told me. And they both told me exactly the same thing. I want to get this clear before I tell you what happened. They said the game was close all day - 1 point result indicates this. But they told me that one umpire paid a crucial 50 metre penalty to Whorouly against a Moyhu supporter in the crowd and they kicked a goal from it. I have never in my life heard that an umpire has paid a 50 metre penalty against the crowd. I was stunned by this.

I know supporters should pull their heads in, but from what I was told the person in the crowd didn't say anything offensive or even swear - he apparently told the umpire to get closer to the contest. If that is the case I have lost all faith in football. Yes, supporters should not abuse umpires but where do you draw the line. The AFL wants to get rid of the bump, umpires paying 50 metre penalties against the crowd - where will it stop?

A couple of questions I will raise here for debate. Should umpires really be listening to the crowd? Shouldn't they be concentrating on their job. And are umpires becoming a little too precious now? Should the league/umpires board be addressing clubs and telling them that they will be paying free kicks or 50 metre penalties against the crowd as I was not aware they could do this?

They also told me that there was a bit of a fight at 3/4 time and a Whorouly player ran from the bench to get involved - this is a bit disturbing if that is the case.

Managed to get my hands on last year's rule book and looks like the umpire in question is correct, unless the rules have changed...
Rumour has it that the supporter in question is involved in some capacity with Moyhu.

An offence to even dispute an Umpire's decision Looks like we'll all have to be on our best behaviour.

18. FIFTY METRE PENALTY
18.1 WHEN IMPOSED
Where a field Umpire has awarded a Free Kick or a Mark to a Player, the field Umpire shall also award a Fifty Metre Penalty in favour of that Player if he or she is of the opinion that any Player or Official from the opposing side:-
(d) behaves in an abusive, insulting, threatening or obscene manner towards an Umpire or disputes the decision of an Umpire;

PART B: GENERAL AND DEFINITIONS
1. DEFINITIONS AND INTERPRETATION
1.1 DEFINITIONS
Official: Includes but is not limited to an officer, coach, assistant coach, trainer, runner, employee or any person performing any duties (paid or unpaid) for or on behalf of the club or team.
Player: a person who plays or is selected to play with a Team or a person who otherwise trains with a Team or who is within purview of these Laws.

 

[Get it forward]

Managed to get my hands on last year's rule book and looks like the umpire in question is correct, unless the rules have changed...
Rumour has it that the supporter in question is involved in some capacity with Moyhu.

An offence to even dispute an Umpire's decision Looks like we'll all have to be on our best behaviour.

18. FIFTY METRE PENALTY
18.1 WHEN IMPOSED
Where a field Umpire has awarded a Free Kick or a Mark to a Player, the field Umpire shall also award a Fifty Metre Penalty in favour of that Player if he or she is of the opinion that any Player or Official from the opposing side:-
(d) behaves in an abusive, insulting, threatening or obscene manner towards an Umpire or disputes the decision of an Umpire;

PART B: GENERAL AND DEFINITIONS
1. DEFINITIONS AND INTERPRETATION
1.1 DEFINITIONS
Official: Includes but is not limited to an officer, coach, assistant coach, trainer, runner, employee or any person performing any duties (paid or unpaid) for or on behalf of the club or team.
Player: a person who plays or is selected to play with a Team or a person who otherwise trains with a Team or who is within purview of these Laws.

Ok, lot of rumour going around.
Will set it straight for everyone so we can move on.
The "supporter" in question was a seconds player who did play on that day. The player has a long history with the umpire who umpired the senior game.
The club "Moyhu" did their best to tell him and other supporters to zip their lips. This did not happen. Other than using physical force to removing these people Moyhu did the best they could on the day.

The player/supporter in question is in the process of being told to leave the club. And other education and warnings to other supporters and players is being done.

If it wasn't for the free kick that was paid no one would be talking about this.

As in most things in sport and life there is always a minority that ruin things for everyone else. And I'm sure other clubs have had to deal with these type of things from time to time.

And lets not forget about the hard fought game that was played that day against two arch enemies that never gave in all day that ended in a wonderful 1pt win for a Whorouly and a heartbreaking loss for Moyhu.

Oh the joys of country footy!

And yes I am involved with Moyhu!

Thanks lets move on!!!

 

[The Bunyip]

To move on & change the subject, last week we saw just how brutal our code really can be at times!

Greta's Shane Graham courageously ran 20 metres to spoil a North Wang players marking attempt when another opponent was coming flat out the other way.
Shane broke both his humerus bone just above the elbow as well as chipping bone from his elbow.
I understand he got out of hospital yesterday & the "before & after" XRays on Facebook tell a story of plates & screws after the surgery.

It's terrible luck for the young fellow who came 4th in last years B&F & I'd like to take this opportunity to wish him all the best.

 

[Rumourmill18]

Who was the player who cleaned Shane up?

 

[The Bunyip]

Who was the player who cleaned Shane up?

It was nothing more than a contest between players where unfortunately one came off badly injured. I couldn't tell you who the player was & frankly it doesn't matter because his focus was the ball as well. It was just one of those things that happens from time to time in our game. Spoke with his dad tonight at training & the docs reckon he won't have full use of his arm for at least 12 months. The kid just has to get himself 100% healthy, so it's time like these when footy takes a backseat & rightly so.

 

[freeagent]

Ok, lot of rumour going around.
Will set it straight for everyone so we can move on.
The "supporter" in question was a seconds player who did play on that day. The player has a long history with the umpire who umpired the senior game.
The club "Moyhu" did their best to tell him and other supporters to zip their lips. This did not happen. Other than using physical force to removing these people Moyhu did the best they could on the day.

The player/supporter in question is in the process of being told to leave the club.






And other education and warnings to other supporters and players is being done.

If it wasn't for the free kick that was paid no one would be talking about this.

As in most things in sport and life there is always a minority that ruin things for everyone else. And I'm sure other clubs have had to deal with these type of things from time to time.

And lets not forget about the hard fought game that was played that day against two arch enemies that never gave in all day that ended in a wonderful 1pt win for a Whorouly and a heartbreaking loss for Moyhu.

Oh the joys of country footy!

And yes I am involved with Moyhu!

Thanks lets move on!!!

So your suggesting that the reserves player is been asked to leave the the club ?
Does the same rule apply if a player whilst playing abuses an ump and cost the team a goal with a fifty ? Pretty harsh , sets a big precedent would be interesting if that decision was made if it was a club stalwart or club great as it easily could have been at any club.
Surely an apology and maybe an internal suspension would do.