Summer Paris 2024 - General Discussion

[RussellEbertHandball]

Canoeing in OK as well. Can’t believe LA is getting away with putting up a 1500m rowing course.


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The other reason why I asked why, was because they had a 2,000m course in 1984. I remember watching both rowing and canoeing events there on TV.

It was held at Lake Casiltas, which is a reservoir in Ventura County. This is approx 80 miles NW of central LA

There were big wild fires in the surrounding district in 2017 which polluted the Lake. From its wiki page the following might be the reason why they wont be going back there; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Casitas

The "no body contact with water" lake policy was established by The Casitas Municipal Water District in the 1950s and 1960s because the lake did not have a filtration system in place. In the 1990s a multimillion-dollar filtration system upgrade was made to the Lake Casitas facility. The US Department of the Interior conducted a 10-year study on the lake where allowing body contact with water was explored. The study reported, "The capabilities of the current water filtration system to handle the additional burden of body contact were called into question. The system was shown to exceed current regulatory standards, and would “probably” be sufficient to mitigate body contact pollution as well".[19] The Casitas Municipal Water District has not significantly changed the "no body contact with water" regulations in response to the facilities upgrade.

I suspect they just suspended the policy in 1984 for a few weeks, but LAOCOG couldn't get over the current agency ruling.

The venue for 2028 is the same as 1932 course, Long Beach Marine Stadium, but back then they dredged the extra 500m. Can't do that today as there is infrastructure built on that area. The venue is about 25 miles south of central LA and is a pretty impressive set up.

Looks like Lake Casitas wasn't even considered for 2028. This AFP story on 29th July said the original venue was 110km east of LA. Digging around, it was Lake Perris reservoir about a 2 hour drive, on a good day from central LA. The organising committee to cuts costs didn't want to build a satellite village near the lake so changed the venue.

Olympic Rowing Course To Be Shortened For 2028 LA Games

The rowing regattas at the 2028 Olympics will take place on a 1,500m course rather than the standard 2,000m due to the "unique" nature of the venue in Los Angeles, the sport's international federation president said Monday.

www.barrons.com

The rowing regattas at the 2028 Olympics will take place on a 1,500m course rather than the standard 2,000m due to the "unique" nature of the venue in Los Angeles, the sport's international federation president said Monday.

The venue for the rowing events was switched a few months ago from a site 110km east of LA to the Long Beach Marine Stadium, which was used for the 1932 Olympics, to limit costs and the impact on the environment.

That decision, though, will cut the length of the course by 500m -- making it the shortest in the history of the Olympics since rowing was first introduced in 1900. "I am not saying it's ideal, as such the 1500m is not satisfactory, but we have to take a step backwards and to look at the big picture," World Rowing Federation boss Jean-Christophe Rolland told reporters at the 2024 regatta near Paris. "It's a unique situation for 2028," he added. "This is not a change to our sport, we don't change the rules, we will continue to have 2000m events for our world championships."

LA2028 Confirms Olympic Rowing Will Be Only 1500m

The Los Angeles 2028 Olympic and Paralympic Games officially announced that the 2028 rowing events will take place at Marine Stadium in Long Beach, CA. This course, the same one that was used in the 1932 Olympic Games, is only 1,500m long.

www.rowingnews.com

 

[Satan]

The other reason why I asked why, was because they had a 2,000m course in 1984. I remember watching both rowing and canoeing events there on TV.

It was held at Lake Casiltas, which is a reservoir in Ventura County. This is approx 80 miles NW of central LA

There were big wild fires in the surrounding district in 2017 which polluted the Lake. From its wiki page the following might be the reason why they wont be going back there; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Casitas

The "no body contact with water" lake policy was established by The Casitas Municipal Water District in the 1950s and 1960s because the lake did not have a filtration system in place. In the 1990s a multimillion-dollar filtration system upgrade was made to the Lake Casitas facility. The US Department of the Interior conducted a 10-year study on the lake where allowing body contact with water was explored. The study reported, "The capabilities of the current water filtration system to handle the additional burden of body contact were called into question. The system was shown to exceed current regulatory standards, and would “probably” be sufficient to mitigate body contact pollution as well".[19] The Casitas Municipal Water District has not significantly changed the "no body contact with water" regulations in response to the facilities upgrade.

I suspect they just suspended the policy in 1984 for a few weeks, but LAOCOG couldn't get over the current agency ruling.

The venue for 2028 is the same as 1932 course, Long Beach Marine Stadium, but back then they dredged the extra 500m. Can't do that today as there is infrastructure built on that area. The venue is about 25 miles south of central LA and is a pretty impressive set up.

Looks like Lake Casitas wasn't even considered for 2028. This AFP story on 29th July said the original venue was 110km east of LA. Digging around, it was Lake Perris reservoir about a 2 hour drive, on a good day from central LA. The organising committee to cuts costs didn't want to build a satellite village near the lake so changed the venue.

Olympic Rowing Course To Be Shortened For 2028 LA Games

The rowing regattas at the 2028 Olympics will take place on a 1,500m course rather than the standard 2,000m due to the "unique" nature of the venue in Los Angeles, the sport's international federation president said Monday.

www.barrons.com

The rowing regattas at the 2028 Olympics will take place on a 1,500m course rather than the standard 2,000m due to the "unique" nature of the venue in Los Angeles, the sport's international federation president said Monday.

The venue for the rowing events was switched a few months ago from a site 110km east of LA to the Long Beach Marine Stadium, which was used for the 1932 Olympics, to limit costs and the impact on the environment.

That decision, though, will cut the length of the course by 500m -- making it the shortest in the history of the Olympics since rowing was first introduced in 1900. "I am not saying it's ideal, as such the 1500m is not satisfactory, but we have to take a step backwards and to look at the big picture," World Rowing Federation boss Jean-Christophe Rolland told reporters at the 2024 regatta near Paris. "It's a unique situation for 2028," he added. "This is not a change to our sport, we don't change the rules, we will continue to have 2000m events for our world championships."


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Appreciate your research on all things Olympic

Just realised we joined BF on the same day, I must be slack , but I dont want to deal with bots so dont post in the club thread

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Rowing News article I got the 2nd picture above from, dated 13 July 2024 says;

Beach Sprint Rowing, a format of the Coastal Rowing discipline, will be included in the Los Angeles 2028 Olympic Games program for the first time. The Beach Sprint Rowing venue has not yet been announced.

Click on the link and you get this article from October 2023

Rowing Makes Olympic History With the Inclusion of ‘Beach Sprints’ at the Los Angeles 2028 Olympic Games

The International Olympic Committee announced today that Beach Sprint Rowing, a format of the Coastal Rowing discipline, will be included in the Los Angeles 2028 Olympic Games programme, alongside Classic Rowing.

www.rowingnews.com

The International Olympic Committee announced today that Beach Sprint Rowing, a format of the Coastal Rowing discipline, will be included in the Los Angeles 2028 Olympic Games programme, alongside Classic Rowing. For the first time, Rowing will be featured in two different disciplines, both set to be showcased at the heart of the Olympic Games.
The inclusion of Beach Sprint Rowing in the 2028 Olympic Games programme is the outcome of a decade-long development of Coastal Rowing with the active support of our 159 members and rowing communities across the world. World Rowing has embarked on an ambitious, global growth strategy for the discipline, underpinned by increased investments across geographies and participation in high-profile multisport events.

In 2023, Beach Sprint Rowing was featured at the World Rowing Beach Sprint Finals in Barletta, Italy, after being part of the Mediterranean Beach Games in Greece. The format will also be part of the 2026 Youth Olympic Games in Dakar, Senegal and the 2026 Commonwealth Games, in addition to other high-profile Continental multisport games and World Championships taking place every year. That global growth strategy will continue with the Los Angeles 2028 Olympics.
“The inclusion of Coastal Rowing at LA28, through the Beach Sprints format, is expected to be transformational for our sport in terms of global exposure, and in making an exciting form of rowing accessible to new populations, said World Rowing President Jean-Christophe Rolland. We believe Beach Sprint Rowing has the potential to enhance the Olympic programme by embracing beach culture and our shared values of universality, gender-equality and sustainability, while delivering genuine innovation in sport, broadcast and fan entertainment.

The final decision on the events, quotas and competition formats will be taken by the IOC Executive Board after the Olympic Games Paris 2024. Three medal events will be proposed by World Rowing: the men’s solo (one athlete); women’s solo (one athlete), and the mixed double sculls (two athletes). For the first-time ever, Rowing would feature a mixed event at the Olympic Games.
As for Classic Rowing, the Olympic regatta will be staged at the Long Beach Marine Stadium, the 1932 Olympic Games course. The programme will not include the lightweight double sculls, with the Paris 2024 Olympic Games marking the last time when lightweight rowing is featured on the Olympic programme.
The Los Angeles 2028 Olympic Games are scheduled to take place from 14 to 30 July 2028. The dates and events of the Classic Rowing and Beach Sprint Rowing competitions will be confirmed at a later stage.
The attribution process for the World Rowing Coastal Championships & Beach Sprint Finals in 2025, 2026 and 2027 – which will be the first qualification opportunity for the LA28 Olympic Games – is due to open soon, and expressions of interest can already be submitted to World Rowing.

To learn more about Beach Sprint Rowing, click here to watch a presentation of the discipline, here to learn more on “How to Beach Sprint” or click here to download our media booklet.


Its not the type of surf boat rowing you see at Oz surf life saving events

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Bit of a blow...

‘Wanted to do it for a long time’: Aussie Olympic medallist opens up on defecting to Great Britain

‘Wanted to do it for a long time’: Aussie Olympic medallist opens up on defecting to Great Britain

www.foxsports.com.au

I wonder how much money was involved?

 

[Satan]

Bit of a blow...

‘Wanted to do it for a long time’: Aussie Olympic medallist opens up on defecting to Great Britain

‘Wanted to do it for a long time’: Aussie Olympic medallist opens up on defecting to Great Britain

www.foxsports.com.au

I wonder how much money was involved?

Dissapointing

 

[big_e]

Bit of a blow...

‘Wanted to do it for a long time’: Aussie Olympic medallist opens up on defecting to Great Britain

‘Wanted to do it for a long time’: Aussie Olympic medallist opens up on defecting to Great Britain

www.foxsports.com.au

I wonder how much money was involved?

Their doping program must be better than ours.

Allegedly.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Nothing new. Happens all the time around the world. Rare that its an Aussie departing.

Richo if he keeps progressing will probably go to LA as the gold medal favourite in the Sprint and Kerin events.

Will be interesting to see how he goes in the Team Sprints in LA. Dutch won, Brits silver and Oz bronze with Richo one of the three riders.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Nothing new. Happens all the time around the world. Rare that its an Aussie departing.

Richo if he keeps progressing will probably go to LA as the gold medal favourite in the Sprint and Kerin events.

Will be interesting to see how he goes in the Team Sprints in LA. Dutch won, Brits silver and Oz bronze with Richo one of the three riders.

A few interesting points I didn't mention in all this.

One is he's apparently dating Finucane - the new golden couple of British cycling.

The second was a crazy comment after the games by one of the British sprint squad. Basically we will beat the Dutch in LA28 for sure. Seemed crazy at the time but they obviously knew Richardson was coming their way.

 

[Royces Hart]

Makes sense, he has a British smile.

 

[Visions]

Dissapointing

Okay, if thats his decision he’s now dead to me.

 

[Jeremias]

Okay, if thats his decision he’s now dead to me.

I never liked him anyway.

 

[catstorm]

To be honest an invoice for all of the funding and training he has received from the Australian tax payer should be sent.

Australia was the country that taught him how to ride. If you broke it down he has probably received hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of funding over the years.

This is something that should be cracked down on to be honest. Once you represent one country you should not be allowed to represent another outside of exceptional circumstances.

 

[2 eazy]

Do we have anyone up and comming to replace him?

 

[catstorm]

The coward turned comments off his instagram post.

What did he think was going to happen? You take a country for a ride, steal funding and resources that could have gone to another up and coming cyclist and then defect and everyone would just celebrate you?

 

[Satan]

The coward turned comments off his instagram post.

What did he think was going to happen? You take a country for a ride, steal funding and resources that could have gone to another up and coming cyclist and then defect and everyone would just celebrate you?

#sobrave

 

[big_e]

To be honest an invoice for all of the funding and training he has received from the Australian tax payer should be sent.

Australia was the country that taught him how to ride. If you broke it down he has probably received hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of funding over the years.

This is something that should be cracked down on to be honest. Once you represent one country you should not be allowed to represent another outside of exceptional circumstances.

Going out on a limb here and saying Australia has probably been the recipient of more athletes changing allegiances than we have lost them. It's more prevalent in some sports than others, but, for instance, our three highest-ranked women's tennis players all represented other countries before switching to Australia, and I don't recall any outrage over that from Australians.

It's rare, move on.

 

[AdelaideGT]

You win some, you lose some.

Current rising star in athletics - Torrie Lewis - could have chosen to represent Britain or Jamaica if she wanted. Her team-mate for next week's World Junior Champs is a guy raised/schooled/trained in the US who has never competed in Australia.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Going out on a limb here and saying Australia has probably been the recipient of more athletes changing allegiances than we have lost them. It's more prevalent in some sports than others, but, for instance, our three highest-ranked women's tennis players all represented other countries before switching to Australia, and I don't recall any outrage over that from Australians.

It's rare, move on.

When Oz won Sydney hosting rights in 1993, a big chunk of the $140m+ Olympic Athletes Program the government funded in 1994 over and above standard elite sports funding, was to chase the best coaches and bring them to Oz. The AOC threw in $50m+ to that program.

Some of those from the old eastern bloc brought athletes with them. The 3 that stand out for me from that time, were pole vaulters Tatiana Grigorieva (silver) and her then husband Viktor Chistiakov (=5th) and Dmiitriy Markov (=5th) - Oleg's father - who won the 2001 world championship in Edmonton. He missed Athens due to injury.

That coach was Alex Parnov who also brought his kids to Oz, including Vicki who represented Oz in pole vaulting, won a world junior championship gold, and went to a couple of world champs. Her sister Liz won silver in pole vaulting at a world junior champs, but went to a couple of Olympics and a couple of world champs.

The Foxs Richard and Miriam, come to Oz as slalom coaches under that funding in 1998 and brought their two girls.

We have told a couple of track cyclists they aren't good enough, but as they had Kiwi heritage, they went and rode track for NZ and won commonwealth and world champ medals, and beat Aussies to those medals.

 

[largebus]

Disappointing but Richardson's girlfriend Emma Finucane is on the GB team and he beat the pommies in Keirin. I'll cut him some slack here.

He did a lot better than Sasha Zhoya, for sure

 

[Royces Hart]

I’m not against athletes changing the country they represent. However, once they’ve represented a nation at senior level especially, there should probably be a period (1 year, 2?), that once they nominate a new country, that they can’t compete internationally.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I’m not against athletes changing the country they represent. However, once they’ve represented a nation at senior level especially, there should probably be a period (1 year, 2?), that once they nominate a new country, that they can’t compete internationally.

Scott McGorry was on Whateley's show and said the UCI used to make people sit out for 2 seasons to compete internationally, but changed it to 1 season only a few years ago.

He said Richo would be riding for Britain - ie England - at the 2026 Comm Games if they go ahead.

McGorry is a national selector and called his races for 9, said he was gob smacked by it and feels let down by it all. He thinks he would have been the gold medal favourite in LA as he has been closing the gap with Dutch triple gold medal winner Harrie Lavreysen.

 

[Richard Cranium]

To be honest an invoice for all of the funding and training he has received from the Australian tax payer should be sent.

Australia was the country that taught him how to ride. If you broke it down he has probably received hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of funding over the years.

This is something that should be cracked down on to be honest. Once you represent one country you should not be allowed to represent another outside of exceptional circumstances.

Not sure about this argument.

He represented and won medals for Australia. Hasn't he done as much as could possibly have been expected of him to 'pay back' that money?

 

[Alfonz]

I don't like that he has had the paperwork lodged for months and was riding in Paris knowing he would be defecting. Was dealing with Team GB behind the back of the Aussies. Lying to his teammates. He has said he has been wanting to do this for years, since his first junior worlds in 2017. Always considered himself a Brit. Don't mind if someone changes sides, but he should have pissed off many years ago.

As for the Finucane angle. He has said he officially put the wheels in motion to defect in December and only started dating Finucane in January. Sounds like more of a happy coincidence than a driving reason.

Revealed: The secret talks that brought Emma Finucane’s Australian boyfriend to Team GB

Matt Richardson was already in the final stages of switching nationality from Australia to GB when he won three medals at the Paris Games

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I don't like that he has had the paperwork lodged for months and was riding in Paris knowing he would be defecting. Was dealing with Team GB behind the back of the Aussies. Lying to his teammates. He has said he has been wanting to do this for years, since his first junior worlds in 2017. Always considered himself a Brit. Don't mind if someone changes sides, but he should have pissed off many years ago.

As for the Finucane angle. He has said he officially put the wheels in motion to defect in December and only started dating Finucane in January. Sounds like more of a happy coincidence than a driving reason.

Revealed: The secret talks that brought Emma Finucane’s Australian boyfriend to Team GB

Matt Richardson was already in the final stages of switching nationality from Australia to GB when he won three medals at the Paris Games

www.telegraph.co.uk

Who was the paper work lodged with?

 

[GreyCrow]

Just a low tone but the news about Sam Landsberger is shattering

I used his Twitter feed to get my daily event guide

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