Recommitted Patrick Cripps [Re-Signed to 2027]

[WilloTree]

Sorry, what's your point?

Replying to your post. See above.

I won't be moving anything around. What are you prattling about?

The point is that a player Cripps' age is unlikely to sign for two years if there's a longer-term offer on big money available.

You have stated before on this forum that you can move money around. Maybe check your post history?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

My position is clear on this but I'll write it here again for absolute clarity.

That's a relief.

I don't think Carlton will expect to get better return from either Freo or West Coast in a trade than they would get as AFL compensation either.

Not sure about that. If compensation amounts to pick 10, Carlton would surely seek more in a trade.

For instance, if Cripps was to nominate Fremantle, Carlton would be asking for two first-rounders, which would already be a better return than the compensation.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Replying to your post. See above.

You're making no sense.

You have stated before on this forum that you can move money around. Maybe check your post history?

Yes, clubs can move money around. They can make room within a salary cap one year by backending deals. Which part of that are you struggling with, champ?

 

[Taylor]

That's a relief.

Not sure about that. If compensation amounts to pick 10, Carlton would surely seek more in a trade.

For instance, if Cripps was to nominate Fremantle, Carlton would be asking for two first-rounders, which would already be a better return than the compensation.

I would think that if Freo are the destination then we are doing better than Carlton, so it might be two picks in the teens or one pick #10 or better. Given Freo play Carlton twice that match up would carry a bit of extra spice if the resulting picks determine trades.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I would think that if Freo are the destination then we are doing better than Carlton, so it might be two picks in the teens or one pick #10 or better.

I'm not sure that assumption holds. It depends on Cripps' priorities, which are unknown.

That aside, it would be two first-rounders instead of one. But Carlton would prefer just one?

That seems unlikely unless Carlton finish bottom four, in which case the compensation would be a top five pick. If Fremantle and Carlton both finish mid-table, let's say between 9th and 12th, why wouldn't Carlton ask Fremantle for two first-rounders?

 

[WilloTree]

You're making no sense.

Replying to your post. See above.

Yes, clubs can move money around. They can make room within a salary cap one year by backending deals. Which part of that are you struggling with, champ?

Craig, you have stated before on this forum that you are very high up in the Eagles and can move money around. I'm not being controversial, just backing you up there. No need for the defensive 'champ' stuff- I'm on your side.

 

[Taylor]

I'm not sure that assumption holds. It depends on Cripps' priorities, which are unknown.

That aside, it would be two first-rounders instead of one. But Carlton would prefer just one?

That seems unlikely unless Carlton finish bottom four, in which case the compensation would be a top five pick. If Fremantle and Carlton both finish mid-table, let's say between 9th and 12th, why wouldn't Carlton ask Fremantle for two first-rounders?

I see your point and I agree, I wouldn't expect Fremantle to baulk at trading out 2021 and 2022 first round picks for Cripps especially if they are going to end up being pick #12 and #15

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Replying to your post. See above.

You're not making any point.

Craig, you have stated before on this forum that you are very high up in the Eagles and can move money around. I'm not being controversial, just backing you up there. No need for the defensive 'champ' stuff- I'm on your side.

OK, champ. Did you just want my attention?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I see your point and I agree, I wouldn't expect Fremantle to baulk at trading out 2021 and 2022 first round picks for Cripps especially if they are going to end up being pick #12 and #15

That assumes playing finals. I don't think Fremantle would have to finish that high to consider it, provided Cripps was keen. And clearly it would be a better deal for Carlton, unless they have a bad year.

 

[Kwality]

I still think carlton coming bottom 4 or so consistently being compared to the tigers making finals 3 times prior to 16. Is an odd one.




I assume wce fans think they are in the window. If so 27 is not old it's a good age to add

In regards to the trade I have no idea I was just finding the conversation interesting so continued to read. If the eagles can make a trade happen. It's be nuts to overlook it. Imho. Even if it's very expensive.

Hopefully richmond can outbid them

Dont think money will be the driving force IF he decided to go home .. more money available than the Eagles will be able to offer unless the deal is significantly back loaded.
Does he want to stay in Melbourne, in which case the Tiges would be on the list for sure.

 

[Kwality]

The age makes for interesting conundrum. If he is offered a six year deal, until the of the season when he is thirty three, would Carlton be spooked from matching a deal like that?

Would he be capable of playing at level worth a value of $1,000,000 a year when he is 32 or 33?

Or do you budget the money as yearly but the output valued like this:
2022 - Paid $1,000,000 --- Worth $1,450,000
2023 - Paid $1,000,000 --- Worth $1,450,000
2024 - Paid $1,000,000 --- Worth $1,300,000
2025 - Paid $1,000,000 --- Worth $800,000
2026 - Paid $1,000,000 --- Worth $500,000
2027 - Paid $1,000,000 --- Worth $500,000

paralysis of analtsis

 

[Taylor]

paralysis of analtsis

There would be a point where a long term deal pushes it into the Franklin territory of too big to risk matching

 

[Sweet Jesus]

There would be a point where a long term deal pushes it into the Franklin territory of too big to risk matching

The difference is that Carlton are better placed to match anything offered by a WA club than Hawthorn were at the end of 2013.

 

[Taylor]

Can you two please take it to PM?

 

[Taylor]

The difference is that Carlton are better placed to match anything offer by a WA club than Hawthorn were at the end of 2013.

I'm not convinced of that. I don't think there is a difference between the club's salary cap books when you start projecting three or more years out from current.

There is a new functionality of banking salary cap space to be used later, but I think we have seen those years used already from Carlton adding players to their list.

 

[Kwality]

There would be a point where a long term deal pushes it into the Franklin territory of too big to risk matching

It was the analysis that I reject as meaningless.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I'm not convinced of that. I don't think there is a difference between the club's salary cap books when you start projecting three or more years out from current.

Hawthorn were coming off a premiership. It's hardly a stretch to say they had more on their books than Carlton currently.

Furthermore, no club is going to come for Cripps with the kind of crazy 10-year deal Sydney gave Franklin.

Someone will offer him $6 million over six years? More than that? Carlton is in the box seat to pay him as well as anyone else.

 

[Taylor]

Hawthorn were coming off a premiership. It's hardly a stretch to say they had more on their books than Carlton currently.

Furthermore, no club is going to come for Cripps with the kind of crazy 10-year deal Sydney gave Franklin.

Someone will offer him $6 million over six years? More than that? Carlton is in the box seat to pay him that.

In 2013 Hawthorn and the rest of the sides, with the exception of Gold Coast and GWS, were within 5% of each other in salary cap.

That's why I said from three years out, most clubs don't have people signed anyway, which is just as equal as the earlier years locked into the little margin of possible cap usage.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

In 2013 Hawthorn and the rest of the sides, with the exception of Gold Coast and GWS, were within 5% of each other in salary cap.

That's why I said from three years out, most clubs don't have people signed anyway, which is just as equal as the earlier years locked into the little margin of possible cap usage.

So why didn't Hawthorn match Sydney's offer?

Either way, it's not really analogous to Cripps because no one is offering him 10 years. How would Fremantle or WC be better equipped than Carlton to pay him $6 million over six years or whatever it ends up being?

What kind of deal can you imagine coming for Cripps that Carlton deem too big to match?

 

[Taylor]

So why didn't Hawthorn match Sydney's offer?

Either way, it's not really analogous to Cripps because no one is offering him 10 years. How would Fremantle or WC be better equipped than Carlton to pay him $6 million over six years or whatever it ends up being?

What kind of deal can you imagine coming for Cripps that Carlton deem too big to match?

For the same reason that Carlton or any team wouldn't match a deal that pays a player a million dollars or more a year into their mid thirties, because they weren't sure he would be able to play in those later years and that his form in those years if he could would be worth that financial commitment.

I think if a club offered seven years that would be too much. Six years is probably too much too.

The issue isn't the term of money being found, it's whether a club wants to commit that much to a player who would be 33 in their last year of the deal. Not every player is David Mundy.

 

[La Dispute]

Geez you would be worried. Cripps is a cannon ball but he has carried the team so long. You wonder how long his body can keep up with the battering.

Carlton's previous coach knew this and tried put him on the bench or forward fairly often. On the eye test teague doesn't seem as flexible

Teague plays Cripps forward far more often than Bolton did.

It was the older guys that Teague was initially reluctant to move out of the midfield.

Our standard set up based on the second half of last year is TDK, Cripps, Curnow/Setterfield and Walsh.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

For the same reason that Carlton or any team wouldn't match a deal that pays a player a million dollars or more a year into their mid thirties, because they weren't sure he would be able to play in those later years and that his form in those years if he could would be worth that financial commitment.

Again, Franklin and Cripps aren't analogous because no one is offering Cripps 10 years.

I think if a club offered seven years that would be too much. Six years is probably too much too.

The issue isn't the term of money being found, it's whether a club wants to commit that much to a player who would be 33 in their last year of the deal. Not every player is David Mundy.

Six years would mean Cripps turns 32 in March of the final year of the deal.

That's long and lucrative but hardly beyond the pale for a player of his standing. I'm not sure WC should be doing it but I expect that's what it would take, more or less. You think he could be shifted for less than that?

Again, what kind of deal do you think a WA club could conceivably offer that Carlton wouldn't be willing to match?

Anything that is too much for Carlton is probably going to be too much for Freo or WC as well.

 

[WilloTree]

So why didn't Hawthorn match Sydney's offer?

oh dear...

google is your friend Craig.

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[Taylor]

Again, Franklin and Cripps aren't analogous because no one is offering Cripps 10 years.

Six years would mean Cripps turns 32 in March of the final year of the deal.

That's long and lucrative but hardly beyond the pale for a player of his standing. I'm not sure WC should be doing it but I expect that's what it would take, more or less. You think he could be shifted for less than that?

Again, what kind of deal do you think a WA club could conceivably offer that Carlton wouldn't be willing to match?

Anything that is too much for Carlton is probably going to be too much for Freo or WC as well.

Let's call it seven years. To finish the contract at 33 in 2028. He will be 33y 6m 22d. In a culture that usually doesn't offer more than one year deals after thirty.

I agree that the deal that has Carlton baulk would be unattractive to both WA teams too, but they would be saving two first round picks now to potentially carry another player in the better part of a decade from now.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Let's call it seven years. To finish the contract at 33 in 2028. He will be 33y 6m 22d. In a culture that usually doesn't offer more than one year deals after thirty.

Why are we "calling it seven years"? Who's offering him seven years?

I agree that the deal that has Carlton baulk would be unattractive to both WA teams too, but they would be saving two first round picks now to potentially carry another player in the better part of a decade from now.

Huh? So what are you saying?

Yeah, both teams would keep their draft picks if they don't have to trade for Cripps. What's your point?

I thought you were saying that Freo or WC could potentially make an offer that would be too long or too lucrative for Carlton to match? I don't really see how that's feasible. Carlton are in the box seat to offer him as good a deal as anyone, and probably better placed than either WA team.