Recommitted Patrick Cripps [Re-Signed to 2027]

[La Dispute]

Lynch is +40 percent.

Iirc took smaller contract than what pies and hawks were offering to join richmond.

Lynch played 8 years or whatever for GC. Was a great player and skipper.

He did his part for the suns. Like cripps has done for carlton

No real indication Hawks or Collingwood offered any more.

Lynch was a loser until he made the most standard decision of his career to go home and join best team in the competition on a massive contract.

I'd say he was a pretty average skipper overall. Did his job, and bailed when he could. Doesn't have the personality to lead a team, and thankfully GC are now being lead by a couple of players far more invested in the club.

 

[Marcel Proust]

No real indication Hawks or Collingwood offered any more.

Lynch was a loser until he made the most standard decision of his career to go home and join best team in the competition on a massive contract.

I'd say he was a pretty average skipper overall. Did his job, and bailed when he could. Doesn't have the personality to lead a team, and thankfully GC are now being lead by a couple of players far more invested in the club.

Media reports richmond specifically offered the lowest of the three contracts. Not sure how we can get a higher level of proof. Maybe you should tweeter ask Tom?

Both very good players. Both among the teams most important. Skippers. Mid point in footy life with very unsuccessful clubs.

It's not light years apart imho.

Prior to signing lynch, the tigers failed to reach the grand final so were not the best team.

 

[La Dispute]

Media reports richmond specifically offered the lowest of the three contracts. Not sure how we can get a higher level of proof. Maybe you should tweeter ask Tom?

Both very good players. Both among the teams most important. Skippers. Mid point in footy life with very unsuccessful clubs.

It's not light years apart imho

Nobody knows what any team was offering Lynch, just that all three were chasing him and he signed with Richmond. It's academic, but I don't recall any reports suggesting either Collingwood or Hawthorn had offered more, but both clubs had plenty of star players on their books also.

Carlton aren't currently a 'very unsuccessful' club, and that's entirely the point. We're middle of the road, with 12 months to improve on our ladder position - poles apart from 17th with a winning percentage of 18% and playing for an expansion team with the fewest members across the league.

Lynch was also made skipper by default, whereas Cripps forced himself into the (shared) position after covering exceptionally for Doc.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Nobody knows what any team was offering Lynch, just that all three were chasing him and he signed with Richmond. It's academic, but I don't recall any reports suggesting either Collingwood or Hawthorn had offered more, but both clubs had plenty of star players on their books also.

Carlton aren't currently a 'very unsuccessful' club, and that's entirely the point. We're middle of the road, with 12 months to improve on our ladder position - poles apart from 17th with a winning percentage of 18% and playing for an expansion team with the fewest members across the league.

Lynch was also made skipper by default, whereas Cripps forced himself into the (shared) position after covering exceptionally for Doc.

Here is one.

Richmond :
Money : $1 million a season for five years. Lowest of the three offers.
Success : Reigning premiers and current standout team in the AFL.

Hawthorn :
Money : $1.2 million a season for seven years. Highest of the three offers.
Success : It’s Hawthorn – they’re always successful.

Collingwood:
Money : $1 – $1.2 million a season for five years. Middle of the three offers.
Success : Heading into its first finals series for five years, but looking strong and with plenty of talent currently sidelined

Via sportingnews. Mid 18.

There were a number of similar media reports. Closer to FA period - We don't know anything about the contracts cause it's not public knowledge. This stuff is about the best we have to go off.

 

[Yoda_]

In those 3 years Richmond won 15,12 & 15 games respectively.

Carlton has won 16 games in the last 3 seasons combined (7,7,2)

I don't know why you are have a go at the pre 2017 record of the Tigers. Carlton are nowhere near the Tigers of 2016, let alone Tigers of 2013-15, and god forbid trying to compare current Carlton to current Richmond.

Carlton are pretty far off the pace, sorry but it's simply the truth.

I wish Carlton supporters would actually see things the way it is.

Summed it up
Pretty well in your previous post to this


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[Marcel Proust]

I wish Carlton supporters would actually see things the way it is.

Summed it up
Pretty well in your previous post to this


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15 games was the same amount richmond won in 2017. The first flag season.

A fair bit different to the blues consistent bottom4 placing outside of last season which was similar.

Carlton might be on the up (?) But currently it doesn't look like the tigers path of three final series. Prior to the flags period

 

[Ash24]

15 games was the same amount richmond won in 2017. The first flag season.

A fair bit different to the blues consistent bottom4 placing outside of last season which was similar.

Carlton might be on the up (?) But currently it doesn't look like the tigers path of three final series. Prior to the flags period

Let's not forget a year before Richmond won the flag they had 8 wins in that season. If standardised because of a shortened 2020, Carlton would've finished with 9 wins.

Not saying we'll win a flag this year, but definitely flag contenders in a couple.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Let's not forget a year before Richmond won the flag they had 8 wins in that season. If standardised because of a shortened 2020, Carlton would've finished with 9 wins.

Not saying we'll win a flag this year, but definitely flag contenders in a couple.

That's the point I'm trying to make, sort of.

The only similarities I can see is richmond 2016 - bad season.

Carlton 2020. Bad season.

The blues had a better 20' than most of cripps footy life so far. Yet still won only two more games than hawthorn. Sydney. Gold coast..

 

[Ash24]

That's the point I'm trying to make, sort of.

The only similarities I can see is richmond 2016 - bad season.

Carlton 2020. Bad season.

The blues had a better 20' than most of cripps footy life so far. Yet still won only two more games than hawthorn. Sydney. Gold coast..

How can you call 2020 a bad season for Carlton? No one expected us to make finals, many expected us to make bottom 4.

We went from 16th to 11th in one year. Bad season?

 

[Marcel Proust]

How can you call 2020 a bad season for Carlton? No one expected us to make finals, many expected us to make bottom 4.

We went from 16th to 11th in one year. Bad season?

Merely sayings 11th is similar to Richmond finishing 13th in 2016.

Like I said it's among the highest places a cripps-carlton has placed this far.

indeed it's a better effort than the previous season

 

[Jeremias]

How can you call 2020 a bad season for Carlton? No one expected us to make finals, many expected us to make bottom 4.

We went from 16th to 11th in one year. Bad season?

Your mistake here is you’re trying to have a rational discussion with a troll.

He’ll call 2020 a bad season because Carlton. Facts don’t matter.

 

[Jirik13]

I watched probably all Carlton’s games in 2020.

My impression was that Cripps struggled and looked exhausted. Was it because of the hub environment, girlfriend's issue, shoulder injury or was it because all those years carrying the team and body battering are already catching up with him? I hope not. He is truly a beast inside but if I am honest he is not great defensively, does not have great acceleration/speed and can’t usually hit the barn in front of goal.

As for Carlton, every year I can read from most Carlton fans very optimistic views. Most young players become A players and so on. LOB, Dow and others tell different development story at the moment. No doubt Saad and Williams recruiting will help. Is it enough to propel Carlton to become a serious contender? I doubt. It will be fascinating to watch in 2021.

In 2020, I was not a big fan of Teague playing mostly old line-ups. E.g., in the last round against Lions the average age was 26 years and 2 months. Murphy, Betts is hardly the future.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Your mistake here is you’re trying to have a rational discussion with a troll.

He’ll call 2020 a bad season because Carlton. Facts don’t matter.

What word do you like?

Middling? Average? Mediocre. The wider point is the carlton 2020 vs richmond 13-15 seems an odd comparison.

If carlton do achieve success hopefully they have a more direct path than richmond did. It would appear unlikely as the richmond final series failures, seem to have formed the required resilience.

Back to cripps. He's an outstanding player. Hopefully cotchin and dusty buy him some coffee and have a chat

 

[Burtman]

Here is one.

Richmond :
Money : $1 million a season for five years. Lowest of the three offers.
Success : Reigning premiers and current standout team in the AFL.

Hawthorn :
Money : $1.2 million a season for seven years. Highest of the three offers.
Success : It’s Hawthorn – they’re always successful.

Collingwood:
Money : $1 – $1.2 million a season for five years. Middle of the three offers.
Success : Heading into its first finals series for five years, but looking strong and with plenty of talent currently sidelined

Via sportingnews. Mid 18.

There were a number of similar media reports. Closer to FA period - We don't know anything about the contracts cause it's not public knowledge. This stuff is about the best we have to go off.

So you’re taking the word of a “news” page that got their estimation wrong by 2 whole years? He signed for 7 years at just under 1 mill a year. Hawthorns offer was 5 at just over 1 mill a year, can’t comment on collingwoods offer but let’s not make it out like he turned down millions to join Richmond. If anything it was probably the biggest contract because of the years

 

[Marcel Proust]

So you’re taking the word of a “news” page that got their estimation wrong by 2 whole years? He signed for 7 years at just under 1 mill a year. Hawthorns offer was 5 at just over 1 mill a year, can’t comment on collingwoods offer but let’s not make it out like he turned down millions to join Richmond. If anything it was probably the biggest contract because of the years

It was an early report, so getting the Richmond offer 5 to 7 wrong. Doesn't seem a massive black mark.

Iirc much of the footy media reported similar during the timeline.

Idk how many years pies and hawks offered but I'd be surprised if they didn't want to match.

 

[Kwality]

The biggest rfa of that year, and a star of the comp who has admirably dedicated himself to a struggling team, including being captains having never played a final in his career, linked to a potential move home, and potentially to a team that recently won a flag.

No similarities whatsoever.

That GC is not footy heartland is a significant difference for a Melbourne boy.

 

[Kwality]

Tom Lynch played for the 17th best team with the lowest league-wide membership numbers, whereas Cripps is captaining a big Melbourne club who could feasibly be playing finals by the time his contract expires.

Break anything down and you'll find a couple of tenuous links, but Tom Lynch's decision was a very simple one (plus he was returning to his home city, Cripps isn't going back to live in Northhampton) - Cripps' isn't as straight forward.

Doesnt want the family farm? He was up that way when Covid derailed the AFL 2020 season, reported as having a kick with Jason.
His folks let the place (share farm?) & lived in Perth supporting his brother Josh after he did his knee last season.
IF the Blues play finals he'll stay.

 

[La Dispute]

Doesnt want the family farm? He was up that way when Covid derailed the AFL 2020 season, reported as having a kick with Jason.
His folks let the place (share farm?) & lived in Perth supporting his brother Josh after he did his knee last season.
IF the Blues play finals he'll stay.

Keep clutching.

 

[Obeanie1]

The current crop have failed to cut the mustard. This is a guy every club needs.

Who out of the current crop have failed?

 

[Obeanie1]

Takes him through to UFA.

If he wants to stay for 5+ years I’m sure the club will be more than happy to keep him on.

I was more thinking from Crippa’s point of view.

Why wouldnt he force a flexible longer deal like Kelly and Cognlio at GWS. 7 years, good money, option to leave as a ufa in 2 years.

Gives Carlton two seasons to improve and play finals, offers security and flexibility.

 

[Kwality]

Keep clutching.

Feeding the chooks .....

 

[Kwality]

Who out of the current crop have failed?

Its the group that have fallen short of target. Why did the club chase Kelly? Not to replace anyone player.

Take the loss to the Pies,close but no cigar ....

 

[HBF]

I wish Carlton supporters would actually see things the way it is.

Summed it up
Pretty well in your previous post to this


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We're all well aware of where we are coming from. We've completed a total list rebuild from 2015 when SOS came to the club.
If we can start the year well and keep our key players on the ground for most of the season I think finals is a realistic chance for us in 2021.

 

[Obeanie1]

Its the group that have fallen short of target. Why did the club chase Kelly? Not to replace anyone player.

Take the loss to the Pies,close but no cigar ....

The group who have fallen short is the recruitment team focusing on talls not mids. Our list is imbalanced atm with too many quality talls and in the rare case when a gun mid asks to be traded in we did it.

The loss to the Pies was a result of copping a condenced fixture closeto the end ofthe season. We lost multiple players to soft tissue injury plus Yeo to OP. We didnt have the time to get those injured players back and playing to regain match fitness before finals.

The midfield group that you say fell short won a flag recently without Naitanui or Gaff. I'd suggest a Tigers with no Dusty and losing their best tall wouldnt have won those flags.

 

[Marcel Proust]

The group who have fallen short is the recruitment team focusing on talls not mids. Our list is imbalanced atm with too many quality talls and in the rare case when a gun mid asks to be traded in we did it.

The loss to the Pies was a result of copping a condenced fixture closeto the end ofthe season. We lost multiple players to soft tissue injury plus Yeo to OP. We didnt have the time to get those injured players back and playing to regain match fitness before finals.

The midfield group that you say fell short won a flag recently without Naitanui or Gaff. I'd suggest a Tigers with no Dusty and losing their best tall wouldnt have won those flags.

Won without rance