Recommitted Patrick Cripps [Re-Signed to 2027]

[Sweet Jesus]

That’s kind of the point though. IF he decides to go to WA he has a choice between two teams, to which we has to sum up the most likely to succeed during his tenure.

I’d think based on the lost demographics Freo would be the best fit if he’s projecting over a 5-year timeframe.

West Coast would need to finish top 4 and/or have a good finals run to entice him. More recently they’ve presented as a good mid-table team, rather than a genuine premiership threat.

I'm not interested in this kind of conjecture. WC have enough runs on the board to be a factor in a two-horse race. It's silly to claim otherwise.

Personally I think the club will offer Cripps 1 mil/pa, but might go as high as 1.2 given he is our marquee player and we’d offer similar dollars for a player of his quality on the open market.

Yeah, so I don't think WC should go that high for that length.

I think he should stay put and probably will.

 

[Brutalitops]

I agree. It won't be about money. He'll be very well paid anywhere. If he leaves, it will be because he wants to be in WA. And that narrows it down to two.

But nah you're right. Can't argue with Fremantle's proud record.

You seem sensitive when discussing Fremantle.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

That aside, what do you reckon Carlton would/should pay to keep him? 6 million over 6 years?

My concern is not whether WC appeal to him. It's whether they should be offering a deal of that length and value to any 27-year-old.

If Cripps leaves it won’t be for money or security or post football interests, we can offer all of that and most likely already are.

It’ll be a family and lifestyle decision similar to Dangerfield, which is the scary part.

I’m next to certain he’ll stay but 12 months is a long time to change his mind.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

You seem sensitive when discussing Fremantle.

That's some of the least effective bait imaginable. Try again?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If Cripps leaves it won’t be for money or security or post football interests, we can offer all of that and most likely already are.

It’ll be a family and lifestyle decision similar to Dangerfield, which is the scary part.

I’m next to certain he’ll stay but 12 months is a long time to change his mind.

I agree.

But if he was to leave for WA, it strikes me as fatuous to insist WC wouldn't be an option, simply because they're "not a contender". This kind of low-rent trolling doesn't stick in December.

I do however question whether WC could pay market rate or get a trade done if it came to that. Or whether they should.

I reckon he stays.

 

[La Dispute]

I'm not interested in this kind of conjecture. WC have enough runs on the board to be a factor in a two-horse race. It's silly to claim otherwise.

Yeah, so I don't think WC should go that high for that length.

Runs on the board are irrelevant if they aren’t much of a factor again next year.

If Cripps leaves it’ll be because he wants success elsewhere and West Coast finishing mid-table again doesn’t quite hammer the point home.

However if Fremantle manage to scrape into the 8 and Carlton miss I could see him wanting to join the Dockers.

 

[Brutalitops]

That's some of the least effective bait imaginable. Try again?

Im not baiting you. West Coast supporters struggle to form opinions about Fremantle without heavy emotional investment.

Im just waiting on a tenuous Mainwaring link for Cripps to have West Coast in his heart.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Runs on the board are irrelevant if they aren’t much of a factor again next year.

Nonsense. Some clubs are just better than others.

If Cripps leaves it’ll be because he wants success elsewhere and West Coast finishing mid-table again doesn’t quite hammer the point home.

I think that assumption is misguided. If he leaves, it will be because he wants to be in WA. I'd be surprised if he left for any other reason.

However if Fremantle manage to scrape into the 8 and Carlton miss I could see him wanting to join the Dockers.

Ok, let me know how your simulation plays out.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Im not baiting you. West Coast supporters struggle to form opinions about Fremantle without heavy emotional investment.

I don't know what that means. I don't live in Perth. I think Freo are building a list effectively but I don't have any more concern for them than all the other teams. And frankly, I pay more attention to the teams likely to finish top 4.

 

[La Dispute]

Nonsense. Some clubs are just better than others.

I think that assumption is misguided. If he leaves, it will be because he wants to be in WA. I'd be surprised if he left for any other reason.

Ok, let me know how your simulation plays out.

Ah of course, I'm sure Cripps would love to give up money and the opportunity to win a premiership so he can finish in the lower half of the 8 at a better club.

I don't think his decision is as unilateral as you're making it sound. If he wants to go home he will choose the club most likely to bring him success, and IMO that club is Fremantle. Although they would also be able to offer him a bigger contract, so to me it's a no brainer where he goes if he does want to leave.

 

[Taylor]

I don't think West Coast can trade their first round picks so if he decides to move to WA and doesn't find Freo an attractive option I hope Carlton have to have a real long think about matching an offer because players don't get pushed out the door to bring in new ones anymore.

There could well be a situation where Carlton have to choose between pick #9 in compensation or some second round picks because no West Coast players want to leave, although there was scuttlebutt around that the Blues had offered Yeo Cripp's contract if he leaves.

Which makes that transaction much easier.

I can't see Carlton not paying him what other clubs are offering for the damage it would do to club confidence to have their captain walk out. The same goes if it's actually about success, pay him even more so he stays and it doesn't look like he left as a vote of no confidence in the Carlton process currently.

Either way, the man is getting paid.

The real ugly circumstance is if a club like WCE or Freo offer him a $4,000,000 over two years deal (minimum term allowed under free agency).

Every club can match a deal over five years because every club has almost nobody contracted beyond three seasons. But almost every club has most of their team signed up for the next two seasons.

Half way through the huge deal he signs a four year extension to bring the average cash down.

Risks are that he can leave as a free agent after two and no matter what you do with his contract the 4m over the next two is locked in.

But it takes matching the deal off the table.

 

[Taylor]

Ah of course, I'm sure Cripps would love to give up money and the opportunity to win a premiership so he can finish in the lower half of the 8 at a better club.

I don't think his decision is as unilateral as you're making it sound. If he wants to go home he will choose the club most likely to bring him success, and IMO that club is Fremantle. Although they would also be able to offer him a bigger contract, so to me it's a no brainer where he goes if he does want to leave.

West Coast might not be able to pay him as much on field but he will be on all their sponsors tv ads and find he makes far more money because of it.

He will be having a benefit for mental health hosted by Crown Casino, spruiked on Seven in prime time and the casino will throw a huge sum of money at him for it.

And if you think I'm making that up, it is exactly what happened after speedy Jack P signed an extension.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Ah of course, I'm sure Cripps would love to give up money and the opportunity to win a premiership so he can finish in the lower half of the 8 at a better club.

Either would be an improvement on his time so far at Carlton.

How many finals has he played with you guys?

I don't think his decision is as unilateral as you're making it sound. If he wants to go home he will choose the club most likely to bring him success, and IMO that club is Fremantle. Although they would also be able to offer him a bigger contract, so to me it's a no brainer where he goes if he does want to leave.

Your assumptions are dumb.

And I've already said several times that I think he'll likely stay. I've also said several times that I don't think WC should pay market rate in salary terms for a guy who will be 27 by R1 2022.

Do you want me to argue furiously that WC are more attractive than Freo? Sorry, I don't care enough to have that argument beyond saying that it would be a two-horse race, so yeah WC would be in the mix. But you're either naive enough to believe your silliness or desperate for a rise that's not coming.

And you misunderstand the meaning of unilateral.

 

[La Dispute]

Your assumptions are dumb.

And I've already said several times that I think he'll likely stay. I've also said several times that I don't think WC should pay market rate in salary terms for a guy who will be 27 by R1 2022.

Do you want me to argue furiously that WC are more attractive than Freo? Sorry, I don't care enough to have that argument beyond saying that it would be a two-horse race so yeah WC would be in the mix. But you're either naive enough to believe your silliness or desperate for a rise that's not coming.

And you misunderstand the meaning of unilateral.

Clubs don’t nominate a state, they nominate a club, and that is exactly why it’s worthwhile arguing in either direction.

I think we both know the reason you’re keeping your powder dry.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Clubs don’t nominate a state, they nominate a club, and that is exactly why it’s worthwhile arguing in either direction.

I think we both know the reason you’re keeping your powder dry.

Huh? Are you drunk?

If Cripps has decided somewhere around August that he wants to return to WA, he'll know already what WC and Fremantle are willing to pay him. His manager will then have to consider the details of how he gets there.

Again, I reckon he'll stay. He'll be very well paid. And he'll end his career as one of the best Carlton players who never played in a winning final.

It'll be a trivia question when you guys get together to watch highlights from 1995.

Because in the time that WC has rebuilt twice to win flags with two different groups, your club have been a dysfunctional nonentity.

 

[La Dispute]

West Coast might not be able to pay him as much on field but he will be on all their sponsors tv ads and find he makes far more money because of it.

He will be having a benefit for mental health hosted by Crown Casino, spruiked on Seven in prime time and the casino will throw a huge sum of money at him for it.

And if you think I'm making that up, it is exactly what happened after speedy Jack P signed an extension.

My view is that money won’t be a big factor. He will get a stack of money, endorsements and post-career opportunities wherever he lands up.

His decision will come down to which club he sees being the most successful over the next 5-7 years.

 

[Taylor]

My view is that money won’t be a big factor. He will get a stack of money, endorsements and post-career opportunities wherever he lands up.

His decision will come down to which club he sees being the most successful over the next 5-7 years.

Perfect year for Freo and Carlton to play twice.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Perfect year for Freo and Carlton to play twice.

Why? So you can get an extra look at another also-ran?

 

[La Dispute]

Huh? Are you drunk?

If Cripps has decided somewhere around August that he wants to return to WA, he'll know already what WC and Fremantle are willing to pay him. His manager will then have to consider the details of how he gets there.

Again, I reckon he'll stay. He'll be very well paid. And he'll end his career as one of the best Carlton players who never played in a winning final.

It'll be a trivia question when you guys get together to watch highlights from 1995.

Agreed, doubt he bails unless either West Coast or Freo finish top 4 next year. No use uprooting his life to play for another mid-table team.

He’s also not from Perth either, and seems to enjoy the Melbourne lifestyle as it is.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Agreed, doubt he bails unless either West Coast or Freo finish top 4 next year. No use uprooting his life to play for another mid-table team.

He’s also not from Perth either, and seems to enjoy the Melbourne lifestyle as it is.

Are Carlton "mid-table"?

 

[Taylor]

Why? You'll both be also rans, as usual.

Because if Carlton not making the finals is a factor then being +16 premiership points (being Freo +8, Carlton -8) from those two games becomes important.

Granted they could win every other game anyway but if the two teams are in the running for a spot then the result is more in their hands that usual.

 

[La Dispute]

Perfect year for Freo and Carlton to play twice.

For us especially.

We’ve had the wood over Fremantle in WA the past couple of years, and would back us to win at the MCG.

 

[Taylor]

For us especially.

We’ve had the wood over Fremantle in WA the past couple of years, and would back us to win at the MCG.

Yeah we owe you guys a couple

 

[La Dispute]

Are Carlton "mid-table"?

Yeh 11th is around mid-table and around the lower end of where we will finish next year IMO

 

[Tasmanian saint]

West Coast won’t appeal to Cripps IMO.

Think he’s much more likely to go to Freo.

There would be no way west coast could afford his salary his next contract would be a million a season plus