Recommitted Patrick Cripps [Re-Signed to 2027]

[Kreuuuzeurns]

No I haven't.

Righto.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I was hoping for something with a little more substance and a little less troll garbage, but maybe I set unrealistic expectations.

Yeah great comeback.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Righto.

So your statement is obviously inaccurate.

 

[Jeremias]

Yeah great comeback.

Thanks mate.

I'll ask again - got anything worthwhile to contribute or are you done?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Thanks mate.

I'll ask again - got anything worthwhile to contribute or are you done?

You don't need to ask. There are pages of discussion in this thread where I've aired my views. Go and read them if you're all about the "contribution".

 

[Jeremias]

You don't need to ask.

You're right. I knew the answer already. You were done a while back.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

So your statement is obviously inaccurate.

If you say so.

 

[WilloTree]

Have you tried and failed again?

Maybe one day.

Please. Just stop - you're embarrassing yourself.

Again.

 

[Taylor]

Do you really think we would have priced ourselves out of offering our captain and best player a contract by spending on Williams and Saad?

I think it's possible that Carlton believes that they have paid Cripps above his value for years and now that the club is coming into a more successful period that it's his turn to take less to benefit the side.

 

[Jeremias]

I think it's possible that Carlton believes that they have paid Cripps above his value for years and now that the club is coming into a more successful period that it's his turn to take less to benefit the side.

It's possible, but that's a separate point to that which I responded to, which seemed to suggest that one reason why we wouldn't match a bid on Cripps is because we couldn't afford to do so on the back of bringing in Williams and Saad.

 

[WilloTree]

I think it's possible that Carlton believes that they have paid Cripps above his value for years and now that the club is coming into a more successful period that it's his turn to take less to benefit the side.

What on earth is this? An actual comment about Patrick Cripps

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You're doing it wrong.

 

[Taylor]

It's possible, but that's a separate point to that which I responded to, which seemed to suggest that one reason why we wouldn't match a bid on Cripps is because we couldn't afford to do so on the back of bringing in Williams and Saad.

If the plan is to allocate less money for Cripps to move more into other players then it's exactly the issue. Getting Williams and Saad with some of that Cripps money expecting to sign him for a $300,000 discount and then another club offers him a $300,000 payrise and now it's $600,000 difference a year. That's Saad.

WA country boys are loyal though. The issue would be if his partner needs to live on the big country block in WA, because everyone would expect him to be loyal to her first before the club.

Catch is even if it's a $600,000 pay difference it will be reported in WA as being about family.

 

[Jeremias]

If the plan is to allocate less money for Cripps to move more into other players then it's exactly the issue. Getting Williams and Saad with some of that Cripps money expecting to sign him for a $300,000 discount and then another club offers him a $300,000 payrise and now it's $600,000 difference a year. That's Saad.

"Expecting to sign him for a $300,000 discount".

This is just getting ridiculous - as if anyone would honestly believe we'd surprise our captain and best player with that sort of imposition.

WA country boys are loyal though. The issue would be if his partner needs to live on the big country block in WA, because everyone would expect him to be loyal to her first before the club.

As I have said previously - his partner is the only reason I could see Cripps not being at Carlton in 2022.

Catch is even if it's a $600,000 pay difference it will be reported in WA as being about family.

There won't be a $600,000 pay difference unless Cripps is being offered one of if not the biggest contract the league has ever seen.

 

[La Dispute]

Hang on, are you guys not all list managers?

I think it's possible that Carlton believes that they have paid Cripps above his value for years and now that the club is coming into a more successful period that it's his turn to take less to benefit the side.

I think we'd happily pay above market value if it's going to be the difference between Cripps staying or going. He's been loyal to the club, and is obviously comfortably our best player and one of the best midfielders in the league.

There's few players you'd be 1 million per year, but he's in that bracket, and comes with all the intangibles in his leadership and appeal to opposition players wanting to join the club.

I don't think Cripps would be one to push the point, but he'll be well compensated and rightly so.

 

[ArdentEagle]

He's had to do so much heavy lifting in that midfield for so long that I'd have grave concerns about his body.
What will he be...27. A lot of wear and tear on those broad shoulders, way beyond him years imo.

Love watching him go about it, I'm still in awe seeing a KPP sized player in the guts but I just don't know how much he has left physically.

 

[tonygeeks]

Glad it wasn’t a decision that had to be made this off season , coming off easily the worst year he’s had since he burst on the scene

See if he bounces back to his best this year , there are no guarantees in footy




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[Obeanie1]

Do you really think we would have priced ourselves out of offering our captain and best player a contract by spending on Williams and Saad?

So Carlton knows what the cap situation looks like for 2022 to 2026?

I recall the clubs not being happy with the AFL 'handballing' the problem of staying under the revised lower cap. "Just back end your deals" I think was their advice.

The article came out saying there will be 17 'Collingwoods' next trade period who will need to push good players out simply to keep the good players they need.

So simply saying "we planned for Cripps" doesn't really work because no one planned for covid cuts.

And yes, the Eagles will likely be in a similar situation however the end of 2021 they will see Kennedy and Hurn retire that will free up cash.

What will also happen next season IMO is that a fair few quality players will be pushed out due to cap pressure and therefore the increased number of players available being pushed out decreases trade values across the board. It will be a buyers market not a sellers market. A top 10 1st in a better draft isn't terrible.

Eagles can't afford another Kelly trade. No decent picks for three straight drafts sounds bat sh!t crazy. I'd be happy to agree to trade say Bailey Williams or maybe Jarrod Cameron

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to the Blues for a 3rd or 4th rounder if Cripps comes across as a FA. Maybe Brander has a breakout year in 2021 and can help with a side deal.

 

[Obeanie1]

I think it's possible that Carlton believes that they have paid Cripps above his value for years and now that the club is coming into a more successful period that it's his turn to take less to benefit the side.

This isn't a go at Freo. I recall this season Carlton beat Freo in a tight, hard game. Cripps was pretty happy post game and said 'this was the best win he's ever had, great feeling'.

I thought at the time, you poor bugger. Beating Freo in Perth in a nail biter, late in the season with finals gone and he called it the greatest win of his career.

Cripps has been paid well, but he's earned that. There was also very few others worth paying top coin for.

If he moves it would be to play finals.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

So Carlton knows what the cap situation looks like for 2022 to 2026?

I recall the clubs not being happy with the AFL 'handballing' the problem of staying under the revised lower cap. "Just back end your deals" I think was their advice.

The article came out saying there will be 17 'Collingwoods' next trade period who will need to push good players out simply to keep the good players they need.

So simply saying "we planned for Cripps" doesn't really work because no one planned for covid cuts.

Pretty sure contracts have been negotiated with % increases/decreases based on what’s happening with the cap over the next few years.

But in any case, why would we move Cripps out the door on the cheap in that situation? We’d be moving others out to meet his demands. I understand you want a guy like Cripps for peanuts but that is fantasy stuff.

If he goes it won’t be for money and we will be well compensated.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

There won't be a $600,000 pay difference unless Cripps is being offered one of if not the biggest contract the league has ever seen.

If Freo or WCE have 1.8m to spare then that could be the case

 

[Joao]

Hope he signs with Carlton soon. Signing Cripps for plenty at 27 just has disaster written all over it for Freo. We are terrible at trading for big ticket items.

 

[Jeremias]

So Carlton knows what the cap situation looks like for 2022 to 2026?

I'd say they've probably got a better handle on it than the fans do, including myself.

Haven't contracts been renegotiated due to Covid anyway?

It's absurd to suggest Carlton are going blind into contract negotiations with Cripps.

The article came out saying there will be 17 'Collingwoods' next trade period who will need to push good players out simply to keep the good players they need.

Pretty sure this was an attempt by Eddie McGuire to keep the Collingwood fans somewhat at ease with regards to the clear mismanagement of their cap.

From what I've seen not many of them have bought that excuse, but I'm sure Ed will be happy to know he's fooled someone at least.

So simply saying "we planned for Cripps" doesn't really work because no one planned for covid cuts.

See above re: contract re-negotiation through the Covid period.

Of course we've planned for Cripps in the same way that every club plans for their better players. Sure things can change along the way (again, see Covid) but it's naive to suggest we'd be in a position where we can't pay our captain and best player fairly, or that we wouldn't have made the moves we made knowing full well that he's coming out of contract.

And yes, the Eagles will likely be in a similar situation however the end of 2021 they will see Kennedy and Hurn retire that will free up cash.

I haven't disputed that West Coast will have the cash to bring him across if he wants to leave Carlton. I couldn't care less about West Coast's cap situation - he'll be very well looked after whether he stays or goes.

Eagles can't afford another Kelly trade. No decent picks for three straight drafts sounds bat sh!t crazy. I'd be happy to agree to trade say Bailey Williams or maybe Jarrod Cameron

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to the Blues for a 3rd or 4th rounder if Cripps comes across as a FA. Maybe Brander has a breakout year in 2021 and can help with a side deal.

Of course you'd be happy to do it.

Carlton I'm sure would rather match the offer and force a better trade. Just as we saw the Giants do with Cameron and Geelong.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Even if Cripps is "underpaid" at Carlton, I see little chance he'd be on much less than $1 million per year anyway. The idea that players sign on for scraps just because they're a captain/loyal is not really accurate in majority of cases.

 

[Crow till I die]

I don't believe this line any more. There's always ways to move money around.

WC will have whatever they pay Kennedy and Hurn off the books and then backend a bunch of other deals. And then it just depends how far down the road you're willing to kick the can.

The question is whether WC should pay that wage. I think probably not. And it's partially why I think he stays put.

If getting him was the difference between a lower 8 finish or potentially a top 4 finish and a real crack at another flag before kennedy retires it would be worth it

 

[Crow till I die]

It's cute when supporters pretend to speak for the club.

A first round pick and brayshaw for cripps..if i was west coast id be bighting off carltons arm to sign that deal before they changed their mind