Patrick Dangerfield

[WaynesWorld19]

Watched him closely last night ........was totally disinterested for most of the game

Dangerfield has great strength, power & speed ...............but is i suspect he is not fit, no aeorobic capacity to play as a midfielder (stiffy)

We know when he turned up for training first full PS how disappointed the club was with his fitness level.

He has relied on his power and pace ........he had 13 possessions last night, all contested and no receives.

When have we seen him run & receive ?

Most of last night he was walking, hardly filling space, no defensive efforts .....just looking for that one on one contest that we all admire him for.

His is simply not running hard enough often enough and his opponent generally gets a free run which hurts us

He has no idea on clearance work

In fact all our midfielders (except Vince & Thompson) are straight line players who do not exhibit great agility in confined spaces.

Yet again for some reason his last qtrs are his best ....almost pacing himself thru the game?

That said he looked stuff every time he came off last night ...........strange given how little work he had done, which leads you to the unfit conclusion & why he is played so much as a forward.

Dangerfield can be a superstar ....but at the moment he is decidely LAZY!

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I thought he had a much better 2nd half.

this is the issue for me, he is developing into a 2nd half player, however we need him firing from the 1st bounce when the contest is their to be won

 

[WALL-e]

Carrying something.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

He has relied on his power and pace ........he had 13 possessions last night, all contested and no receives.

When have we seen him run & receive ?

Trouble is that he contests the centre bounce and then runs to full forward to play out of the square. Not many opportunities to play in that way. We use him as a contested ball winner.

He has no idea on clearance work

I agree he lacks a little subtlety around the clearances and is a bit blinkered but he still led us in clearances, despite not attending many around the ground stoppages.

 

[Numinous]

Adelaide
B: Ben Rutten
HB: Graham Johncock, Michael Doughty, Andy Otten, Brad Symes, Luke Thompson , Matthew Jaensch, Nathan van Berlo, Richard Douglas, Patrick Dangerfield, Chris Knights, Ricky Henderson, Rory Sloane, Jack Gunston, Jared Petrenko, Christopher Schmidt
C: Scott Thompson
HF:
F: Kurt Tippett
Foll: Sam Jacobs
I/C: Bernie Vince, Matthew Wright Shaun McKernan

It would have worked!

Genius!

I reckon Kurt could push down the ground towards the half-back line though.

 

[Drummond]

71 possesions over the past SIX games.

11.83 per game.

Highest possession tally during this time is 14. Disgusting.

If he's injured rest him, if he's not then get him the heck out of the team and back to West Adelaide, maybe he can get a kick there. I doubt it though, he has no clue how to read the game and get into space.

 

[Glenno23]

71 possesions over the past SIX games.

11.83 per game.

Highest possession tally during this time is 14. Disgusting.

If he's injured rest him, if he's not then get him the heck out of the team and back to West Adelaide, maybe he can get a kick there. I doubt it though, he has no clue how to read the game and get into space.

Or maybe we could get a coaching panel that knows how to use young talent to its fullest?

 

[feenix67]

71 possesions over the past SIX games.

11.83 per game.

Highest possession tally during this time is 14. Disgusting.

If he's injured rest him, if he's not then get him the heck out of the team and back to West Adelaide, maybe he can get a kick there. I doubt it though, he has no clue how to read the game and get into space.

He's been played up forward for a large part of that period - haven't you been watching?

 

[Lawrst]

Not the coaches fault a player can't find the ball when they have the talent of someone like Danger. Something is seriously wrong with him atm.

 

[Brasher]

For all the "put Dangerfield in the middle" talk IMO he has been getting a free ride. Plays forward for a while, then has a trot in the centre, can't get a kick there, go and cool your heels in the forward line again.

Put him on a half back flank, make him accountable for a man one on one and let him use his competitive nature to beat his man and then break the lines running to advantage.

 

[Lawrst]

Put him on a half back flank, make him accountable for a man one on one and let him use his competitive nature to beat his man and then break the lines running to advantage.

He will be terrible at it. Absoultely terrible. And if he is good? What are we going to have, a poor performing mid on the back flank like 10 of our other players need to be? Whats he going to learn besides how to be a HFFer?

Want a good idea? Next week play him as a tagger, Make him follow his opponent around and make him learn to play as a mid that can pick up cheap possessions.

 

[DoubleBlue2]

As good a player as he is going to be. He is not the type we need. Unfortunately he needs to be trade bait so we can construct a team for the future.

 

[Crow About It]

As good a player as he is going to be. He is not the type we need. Unfortunately he needs to be trade bait so we can construct a team for the future.

Yeah because we have a wealth of players that want to and can win a hard ball.....

He might not be performing up to expectations at the moment but It's a bit much to say he's not the type of player we need.

 

[DoubleBlue2]

Yeah because we have a wealth of players that want to and can win a hard ball.....

He might not be performing up to expectations at the moment but It's a bit much to say he's not the type of player we need.

His trade value is such and our squad is so poor that what we can trade him for will be worth more to us overall than keeping him unfortunately.

A couple of early picks and a hard at it second tier midfielder would be of more benefit to us than keeping him.

 

[Brasher]

He will be terrible at it. Absoultely terrible. And if he is good? What are we going to have, a poor performing mid on the back flank like 10 of our other players need to be? Whats he going to learn besides how to be a HFFer?

Want a good idea? Next week play him as a tagger, Make him follow his opponent around and make him learn to play as a mid that can pick up cheap possessions.

Terrible?

As opposed to his dominating cameos in the midfield and up forward?

Playing off a HBF allows him to be directly accountable to tagging and beating a man and then allowing the team to take advatange of his rebound and run off the half back line. He will learn to tag, beat a man one on one consistently and to run, spread and pick up possessions in space (something he is criticised heavily for not doing enough of today) whilst providing speed and line breaking capacity off a HBF.

What' the point of having him playing a pure tagging role? He hasn't got the engine to go with the best opposition midfielders so it will be a 5-10 minute per quarter exercise anyway. How does a midfielder playing mainly as a tagger learn to pick up cheap possessions?

 

[Lawrst]

We would only get a first rounder i would think.

 

[Crow About It]

His trade value is such and our squad is so poor that what we can trade him for will be worth more to us overall than keeping him unfortunately.

A couple of early picks and a hard at it second tier midfielder would be of more benefit to us than keeping him.

We've a squad full of second tier midfielders...... why get another one?

If Dangerfield was/is managed correctly he is the type of player every club needs/wants. We'd have no problem in trading him but we'd have a hell of a hard time replacing him.....

 

[Lawrst]

Terrible?

As opposed to his dominating cameos in the midfield and up forward?

Playing off a HBF allows him to be directly accountable to tagging and beating a man and then allowing the team to take advatange of his rebound and run off the half back line. He will learn to tag, beat a man one on one consistently and to run, spread and pick up possessions in space (something he is criticised heavily for not doing enough of today) whilst providing speed and line breaking capacity off a HBF.

What' the point of having him playing a pure tagging role? He hasn't got the engine to go with the best opposition midfielders so it will be a 5-10 minute per quarter exercise anyway. How does a midfielder playing mainly as a tagger learn to pick up cheap possessions?

Stop directly contradicting yourself in your own post. You said he dosent have the engine to be a tagger, yet you want him on the HBF where he has to break lines, with a burst of energy then be directly accountable to his player. So if he turns the ball over (which he will a lot) he will then have to double back. We will get killed in transition and he wont learn a bloody thing.

Even if he tags for 5 - 10 mins for 4 quarters for the next 5 games he will learn more than him getting domintated in the backlines. You don't think him following someone like swan around will help show him where to move, how to antisipate the opposition and his team mates movements? How to get into the right spots and possibly once in a while move into open space?

If he cant learn from the best in the game on the ground, how is he going to learn anywhere else.

 

[King Elvis]

So fickle.

Two of those games he's been predominately up forward; they're skewing his average touches per game.

 

[Huntercrow]

He truely is out of sorts, Roo needs to have a quiet word with him.

 

[Brasher]

Stop directly contradicting yourself in your own post. You said he dosent have the engine to be a tagger, yet you want him on the HBF where he has to break lines, with a burst of energy then be directly accountable to his player. So if he turns the ball over (which he will a lot) he will then have to double back. We will get killed in transition and he wont learn a bloody thing..

There is no contradiction because nowhere in my post do I draw a parallel between the aerobic requirements of tagging a midfielder and playing on a HBF. That is your assumption, not mine.

The bolded bit makes me shake my head and sums up what is wrong with the club. I don't care if he takes the game on and turns it over but the doubling back as you call it has another term "accountability". Safer to kick it backwards, sideways or wave everyone to one side of the field and then kick to the orchestrated contest then take the game on, risk a mistake and have to chase your man back I guess.

Even if he tags for 5 - 10 mins for 4 quarters for the next 5 games he will learn more than him getting domintated in the backlines. You don't think him following someone like swan around will help show him where to move, how to antisipate the opposition and his team mates movements? How to get into the right spots and possibly once in a while move into open space?.

Problem is opposition coaches and midfielders aren't so accommodating. 5 minutes of hard running without Swan even going near the ball would break Dangerfield's tag.

I don't think you can learn anticipation from tagging a mid. The close proximity of everything makes it too hard to tag/react to your opponent and anticipate the play. On a HBF he would have the luxury of tagging his opponent and watching the play evolve downfield.

Sure he is going to make mistakes but many of the Crows best midfielders have spent periods playing off the HBF, I can't see why Dangerfield (or some of the other midfielders for that matter) should be any different.

 

[Lawrst]

The bolded bit makes me shake my head and sums up what is wrong with the club. I don't care if he takes the game on and turns it over but the doubling back as you call it has another term "accountability". Safer to kick it backwards, sideways or wave everyone to one side of the field and then kick to the orchestrated contest then take the game on, risk a mistake and have to chase your man back I guess.

Again your looking at it the wrong way, the hard part about doubling back is the areobic capacity that he lacks! If he goes for a hard run, even with one bounce he is spent. He wont have anything left to get back and defend!! A very importaint part of being a defender. The only way it could work would be to play him as a HFF starting on the back flank pushing forward.

Problem is opposition coaches and midfielders aren't so accommodating. 5 minutes of hard running without Swan even going near the ball would break Dangerfield's tag.

I don't think you can learn anticipation from tagging a mid. The close proximity of everything makes it too hard to tag/react to your opponent and anticipate the play. On a HBF he would have the luxury of tagging his opponent and watching the play evolve downfield.

Sure he is going to make mistakes but many of the Crows best midfielders have spent periods playing off the HBF, I can't see why Dangerfield (or some of the other midfielders for that matter) should be any different.

They went there after learning their chops in the midfield. Goodwin and Mcleod being 2 very recent examples. They made their name in the middle of the ground and resting up forward.

 

[Brasher]

Again your looking at it the wrong way, the hard part about doubling back is the areobic capacity that he lacks! If he goes for a hard run, even with one bounce he is spent. He wont have anything left to get back and defend!! A very importaint part of being a defender. The only way it could work would be to play him as a HFF starting on the back flank pushing forward.

This is more a commentary of the entire team's attitude then Dangerfield specifically. In any case, losing the midfield clearance would still create more gut running chasing his tag than playing on a HBF.

If his tank is his problem he is afforded the luxury of chosing to stay at home on a HBF and forsake the offensive action to concentrate on his tag, he doesn't have this luxury tagging in the midfield.

They went there after learning their chops in the midfield. Goodwin and Mcleod being 2 very recent examples. They made their name in the middle of the ground and resting up forward.

I know I am being trivial but Mcleod won two Norm Smiths as a HBFer.

I'm hoping Dangerfield grows into an elite midfielder. But to sum him up:

- He is fierce with the football in front of him, either in the pack or on the lead. On the flip side he doesn't anticipate his team mates winning the ball or where the loose ball will spill and where he should position himself to get the easy outside possession.
- He has only average disposal skills.
- He doesn't (apparently) have the aerobic capacity to play for long spells in the middle (how often do you see him taking possessions in the defensive 50?)
- He is excellent in one on one contests especially with the ball on the ground and possesses great closing speed.

So he is a ferocious straight ahead, hard at it player with excellent foot speed and only average disposal effectiveness. I'd still switch him to a HBF for a week or two just to see if he can find any more football.

 

[Lawrst]

This is more a commentary of the entire team's attitude then Dangerfield specifically. In any case, losing the midfield clearance would still create more gut running chasing his tag than playing on a HBF.

If his tank is his problem he is afforded the luxury of chosing to stay at home on a HBF and forsake the offensive action to concentrate on his tag, he doesn't have this luxury tagging in the midfield.

He will get either complacent and give us no run, or will get caught in transition. Tagging will make him gut run and possibly make him fitter.

Don't give him luxuries. Make him work to be the star we want so that when the going gets tough he gets going.

I know I am being trivial but Mcleod won two Norm Smiths as a HBFer.

I'm hoping Dangerfield grows into an elite midfielder. But to sum him up:

- He is fierce with the football in front of him, either in the pack or on the lead. On the flip side he doesn't anticipate his team mates winning the ball or where the loose ball will spill and where he should position himself to get the easy outside possession.
- He has only average disposal skills.
- He doesn't (apparently) have the aerobic capacity to play for long spells in the middle (how often do you see him taking possessions in the defensive 50?)
- He is excellent in one on one contests especially with the ball on the ground and possesses great closing speed.

So he is a ferocious straight ahead, hard at it player with excellent foot speed and only average disposal effectiveness. I'd still switch him to a HBF for a week or two just to see if he can find any more football.

The best half back flankers have great disposal. Symes would be a brilliant back flank player if he just fixed his disposal. Runs all day, chases, tackles wins contested ball, lets himself down with disposal. Who says Danger will be any better? I think he will be worse considering he isnt nearly as fit as symes and shows a lack of one on one defending skills.

 

[Brasher]

He will get either complacent and give us no run, or will get caught in transition. Tagging will make him gut run and possibly make him fitter.

Don't give him luxuries. Make him work to be the star we want so that when the going gets tough he gets going.

The best half back flankers have great disposal. Symes would be a brilliant back flank player if he just fixed his disposal. Runs all day, chases, tackles wins contested ball, lets himself down with disposal. Who says Danger will be any better? I think he will be worse considering he isnt nearly as fit as symes and shows a lack of one on one defending skills .

I'm not suggesting he develop into a HBF, rather, that he uses some of his talents to play as a straight ahead rebounder where the club can see how he plays when he has a direct opponent to negate and if he can find space as a receiver.