NFL Patriots do it again or should we just call them Cheatriots

[LittleG]

The statement plus the video content, is enough damning evidence.

Caught, doing what they admit is against the league rules.

This is the Patriots version:

During the game:
Bengals noticed the illegal filming of their sideline and notified security. Security took the footage and identified that they were a patriot film crew.


This isn’t the first time they have done it. The excuse it is for a documentary lacks merit, as you would be very clear to make sure that the crew were not breaking the rules that your own organisation has been guilty of in the past. This is basic management 101, don’t get caught a second time or is it a third time?


What will the punishment be this time? How many times must the same team cheat before they get punished enough that they won’t do it again?

 

[Taylor]

as you would be very clear to make sure that the crew were not breaking the rules that your own organisation has been guilty of in the past.

If the film team were independent what makes you think they even knew the rules?

B roll is a thing.

 

[LittleG]

If the film team were independent what makes you think they even knew the rules?

B roll is a thing.

They were there filming with a scout. The scout knew the rules, as all Patriots scouts would be required to know the rules.

 

[Taylor]

They were there filming with a scout. The scout knew the rules, as all Patriots scouts would be required to know the rules.

And that means they become responsible for people around them that don't work for the organisation while also trying to do their job?

The entire case should pivot on intent, because you could make an excuse that an independent film team who didn't know better is the best cover story, but on the other hand it's also possible they are an independent film crew with no clue about the other rules.

Like filming in another nation and not knowing you can't film that particular building for government reasons. That rule is there for a reason and it wasn't that reason why they filmed it, and it wasn5 later used for that reason.

Intent matters

 

[LittleG]

And that means they become responsible for people around them that don't work for the organisation while also trying to do their job?

The entire case should pivot on intent, because you could make an excuse that an independent film team who didn't know better is the best cover story, but on the other hand it's also possible they are an independent film crew with no clue about the other rules.

Like filming in another nation and not knowing you can't film that particular building for government reasons. That rule is there for a reason and it wasn't that reason why they filmed it, and it wasn5 later used for that reason.

Intent matters

Why film an upcoming opponent?
Why not film at your own stadium and mock scout that opponent? Or film yourselves? No need to go to another stadium and not seek permission from the team you are filming.


I have worked on documentaries, you are always aware of getting consent for content, otherwise you can end up with no footage you can use. That can mean a wasted days....

 

[drd23]

B roll is a thing.

Filming just the Bengals sideline/coaching staff for an entire quarter is B-roll?

 

[Taylor]

Filming just the Bengals sideline/coaching staff for an entire quarter is B-roll?

Maybe, I don't expect their scout was spending much time distracted while it's on.

Definitely need to get to the bottom of intent here.

 

[drd23]

The whole "they were an independent film crew" thing screams adding in extra layers of people so that you can build plausible deniability

There is absolutely zero reason for a film crew to film just the coaching staff of another team besides to advantage another team. The only question I have is - why? Why the 1-11 Bengals?

 

[Taylor]

The whole "they were an independent film crew" thing screams adding in extra layers of people so that you can build plausible deniability

There is absolutely zero reason for a film crew to film just the coaching staff of another team besides to advantage another team. The only question I have is - why? Why the 1-11 Bengals?

Would film of game play be copywrite to an NFL broadcaster?

 

[LittleG]

The whole "they were an independent film crew" thing screams adding in extra layers of people so that you can build plausible deniability

There is absolutely zero reason for a film crew to film just the coaching staff of another team besides to advantage another team. The only question I have is - why? Why the 1-11 Bengals?

Could be filming the whole year, just got noticed this week....

Perhaps they realise that the 1-11 are their level?

 

[Exe Gesis]

why the 1-11 bengals...

i reckon belichick has been rebuilding his database that got deleted after the first spygate. the database of all 31 other teams, their signals, etc.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

They DO work for the organisation they are just independent of the football operation. Which may or may not be BS. They already BS'd with that the first time

 

[Broken]

The whole "they were an independent film crew" thing screams adding in extra layers of people so that you can build plausible deniability

There is absolutely zero reason for a film crew to film just the coaching staff of another team besides to advantage another team. The only question I have is - why? Why the 1-11 Bengals?

Totally, but there's a kinda history : they got busted with the original Spygate with the, eventual, 4-12 Jets.

 

[drd23]

 

[Exe Gesis]

they should strip them if all the SBs they won and award them to the losing team.

 

[LittleG]

they should strip them if all the SBs they won and award them to the losing team.

Maybe.... Or perhaps the losing AFC Championship team.

Nah, just strip them all and say no one won it.

 

[samFFC]

And this is why it’s hard to be upset when the refs screw them in a big game.

Can we award next week’s game to the Bengals please?!

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

And this is why it’s hard to be upset when the refs screw them in a big game.

Can we award next week’s game to the Bengals please?!

Implying theyve ever been screwed in a big game

 

[Dirty Bird]

they should strip them if all the SBs they won and award them to the losing team.

Nah
Atlanta were part of history in what some deem the greatest Super Bowl ever (#3 for me behind 43 and 49)
I’ll enjoy that memory and it’ll make when we win I think all the more sweeter.

Ps. If it weren’t the patriots, whod care. Also, it’s the ***ing Bengals. No need to cheat. People already hate New England and are just jumping on the hate fuelled bandwagon whenever something happens.

 

[samFFC]

Implying theyve ever been screwed in a big game

ha ha of course!
No I just meant this timing after Sunday’s reffing issues. I think they’d have lost regardless, and have had plenty of fortune previously. At least the sympathy (if any) was short lived!

 

[NorthernLights]

Nah
Atlanta were part of history in what some deem the greatest Super Bowl ever (#3 for me behind 43 and 49)
I’ll enjoy that memory and it’ll make when we win I think all the more sweeter.

Ps. If it weren’t the patriots, whod care. Also, it’s the ***ing Bengals. No need to cheat. People already hate New England and are just jumping on the hate fuelled bandwagon whenever something happens.

Embracing losing is so Atlanta

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Why the **** would they be stealing the BENGALS signs?

 

[Exe Gesis]

The Athletic's Paul Dehner Jr. reports the Patriots sent a three-person video crew to record Cincinnati's sideline for "about eight minutes" in Sunday's matchup against the Browns.
Bill Belichick obviously denied any involvement on WEEI-FM hours before the organization issued an official statement on Monday night claiming the production crew for their documentary on an advanced scout didn’t know the NFL policy; that of course is the exact excuse New England's videographers were told to use if asked what they were doing during the Spygate investigation. That case settled with Belichick being fined $500,000 while Robert Kraft and the organization were hit with a $250,000 fine and loss of a first-round pick. The Deflategate investigation eight years later resulted in another lost first-round pick and four-game suspension for Tom Brady. Any guilty verdict in this most recent controversy would obviously bring down an impactful ruling. Suspensions across the board are on the table.
SOURCE: Paul Dehner Jr. on Twitter
Dec 10, 2019, 10:47 AM ET

 

[Exe Gesis]

Wow, sir..

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The Washington Post reports "severe sanctions" are unlikely for the Patriots following their Sunday videotaping of the Bengals' sideline.
Per reporter Mark Maske, a resolution is "possible as soon as this week." Maske's relatively cheery article is at odds with The Athletic's more skeptical piece from earlier Tuesday. The Patriots have been adamant the "mistake" occurred independent of their football operations. Perhaps the league won't have the stomach for another marathon Patriots scandal.
SOURCE: Washington Post
Dec 10, 2019, 3:28 PM ET

 

[Blacky]

Lol would love to hear the apologists now