Paul Roos - not the messiah

[Tulip]

I was asking whether 3 goals was better than the 80 point thrashings since others have posited that as the reason Roos coaches this way at Melbourne

Easily, because we were kicking three, four or five back than too except the score read 130-30 not 61-28.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Didn't Collingwood more than double Melbourne's score today. Today's result was a great percentage booster.

 

[Tulip]

It should be noted that the pies still doubled melbourne's score. in the context of the game it's a fairly large margin.

i haven't even seen the game and don't want to be subjected to it, or games like it.

With three minutes to go in the third, Jetta marked 55 out and hand balled to Vince who saluted from 50 to make it a 4 point ball game before the umpire inexplicably called it back.

The players lost their heads in the last quarter.

 

[Tulip]

Didn't Collingwood more than double Melbourne's score today. Today's result was a great percentage booster.

That's not how percentage works this far into season.

 

[South of the Yarra]

That's not how percentage works this far into season.

Yes ... Collingwood improved 4 percent. Incredible at this time of year.

 

[Mateyman]

Do you honestly think this is the finished product? That this is the way he wants his team to be playing all the time?

He's 11 games into one of the biggest rebuilding projects in recent years. He has to start somewhere and with Roos' mindset that's with keeping the scores down. To have gone a long way towards that goal is a big credit to him. This game is just another small step towards getting the side to playing better both defensively and offensively. To have Pies fans sook because you weren't allowed to play the way you want tells me all I need to know how successful the tactic was today.

Not so much not allowing us to play the way we wanted to play. More the absolutely ****house spectacle which we ended up with.

 

[Mateyman]

With three minutes to go in the third, Jetta marked 55 out and hand balled to Vince who saluted from 50 to make it a 4 point ball game before the umpire inexplicably called it back.

The players lost their heads in the last quarter.

It wasn't at all inexplicable. It seemed to me that Jetta stopped, and instead of going back over the mark never got there and instead hand balled while the ump was straightening him up.

 

[Tulip]

It wasn't at all inexplicable. It seemed to me that Jetta stopped, and instead of going back over the mark never got there and instead hand balled while the ump was straightening him up.

Like what every ruckman does whenever they take a mark. When you're not in shooting range, you have no obligation to go back to the mark. You are allowed to play on whenever, actually, but the umpire lines the mark up for shots at goal so that the zones are clear.

 

[piesnz]

Do you honestly think this is the finished product? That this is the way he wants his team to be playing all the time?

He's 11 games into one of the biggest rebuilding projects in recent years. He has to start somewhere and with Roos' mindset that's with keeping the scores down. To have gone a long way towards that goal is a big credit to him. This game is just another small step towards getting the side to playing better both defensively and offensively. To have Pies fans sook because you weren't allowed to play the way you want tells me all I need to know how successful the tactic was today.

I don't think anyone here is sooking. Pies won fairly easily in the end. Was just an atrocious game to watch due to Melbourne not having a dip and playing keepings off.

 

[The Speaker]

So many Collingwood supporters complaining. They should really just be happy they won.

 

[South of the Yarra]

That's not how percentage works this far into season.

Collingwood's percentage on today's game was 217 percent ....Melbourne's - 45 percent ... Win by33 points at this time of year and improve 4 percent. We wil take that.

 

[grimlock]

Not so much not allowing us to play the way we wanted to play. More the absolutely ****house spectacle which we ended up with.

Oh boo hoo. May I remind you his job is to win games for Melbourne, not to provide entertainment for the Collingwood masses. Put it this way, if Collingwood had to play that way and ended up beating a top side, say Port Adelaide, you wouldn't be complaining.

BTW the only shithouse spectacle I saw today was Travis Cloke putting on a laughable impersonation of a key forward in the first half. What I saw from Melbourne were 22 committed men who ran, chased, tackled and put their body on the line like their life depended on it.

 

[EastPointRoo]

Must admit I really dislike the style of the coach in question's games. Their supporters would really hope the next coach will release some slack on the tight chain Roos seams to have them on.

 

[Wooljay]

Collingwood play with 7 backs as a rule each week I don't see the issue of Roos doing much the same.

7 backs =/= 15

 

[Pie Legend]

Oh boo hoo. May I remind you his job is to win games for Melbourne, not to provide entertainment for the Collingwood masses. Put it this way, if Collingwood had to play that way and ended up beating a top side, say Port Adelaide, you wouldn't be complaining.

BTW the only shithouse spectacle I saw today was Travis Cloke putting on a laughable impersonation of a key forward in the first half. What I saw from Melbourne were 22 committed men who ran, chased, tackled and put their body on the line like their life depended on it.

So you were happy with the spectacle of the game today?

I'm sure most Collingwood fans are happy enough with the four points, and most Melbourne fans would be annoyed with their use of the footy, probably because in a lot of cases their chipping styled over possession allowed us greater time to set up our zones which makes it very difficult for Melbourne to penetrate and hit targets. I would have thought from a neutral's perspective, it was an uneventful game of footy.

 

[grimlock]

So you were happy with the spectacle of the game today?

I'm sure most Collingwood fans are happy enough with the four points, and most Melbourne fans would be annoyed with their use of the footy, probably because in a lot of cases their chipping styled over possession allowed us greater time to set up our zones which makes it very difficult for Melbourne to penetrate and hit targets. I would have thought from a neutral's perspective, it was an uneventful game of footy.

Honestly I sat through all four quarters (well, three and a bit before the result was put beyond doubt) quite enthralled. But then again I'm not really a neutral am I?

 

[Moo]

I was asking whether 3 goals was better than the 80 point thrashings since others have posited that as the reason Roos coaches this way at Melbourne

You stop the bleeding first.

Roos has done that, there is a modicum of belief now and if I was a Dees fans - it might not be pretty but it's a start in the right direction.

Another trip to the draft, another year of their youngsters in the system .....I'd take today's result everyday of the week.

 

[SM]

Oh boo hoo. May I remind you his job is to win games for Melbourne, not to provide entertainment for the Collingwood masses. Put it this way, if Collingwood had to play that way and ended up beating a top side, say Port Adelaide, you wouldn't be complaining.

BTW the only shithouse spectacle I saw today was Travis Cloke putting on a laughable impersonation of a key forward in the first half. What I saw from Melbourne were 22 committed men who ran, chased, tackled and put their body on the line like their life depended on it.

Grim has his cranky pants on today.

 

[bradrowe#32]

BTW the only shithouse spectacle I saw today was Travis Cloke putting on a laughable impersonation of a key forward in the first half. What I saw from Melbourne were 22 committed men who ran, chased, tackled and put their body on the line like their life depended on it.

It's a shame we can't go out and buy two of the best forwards in the league.

 

[Moo]

It's a shame we can't go out and buy two of the best forwards in the league.

Of course you can ....you just can't keep Pendles and Swan too.

 

[Arbuckle]

It's a difficult one. Of course Roos' job is to do whatever he can to make sure his team gets the best results it can. What gets me, though, is that he's so widely adored by most of the sycophants in the media that his style (and what it means for attracting and/or retaining fans to the sport) is hardly ever questioned. And, when it is, he generally seems to crack a pretty bad case of the sads about it. The zoneball comments last week being a good example of this.

I guess the truth lies somewhere in the middle. One would hope that he progressively coaches Melbourne to play much more adventurously than they did today - because that was just pathetic slop, plain and simple, and almost impossible to watch. Just like most of Sydney's games were for much of the period he coached them. From my own experience, Eade and Roos are two of the guys who have been responsible for destroying much of my own interest in the AFL and why I tend to watch more amateur, suburban and country footy these days. They both seem like decent enough people but I despise negative, flooding, defensive football - and haven't come across many people who don't share that view.

 

[The Scales]

The disallowed Vince goal was the turning point of the game. IIRC, the margin would have been less than a goal - if paid. the Dees don't have the resilience yet to counter flawed umpiring, and take it in their stride.

As a true neutral watching this, I really enjoyed the strangle-hold tactics that could have enabled Melb to win this game in the dying gasps if they were allowed to be rewarded for their work. Bad umpiring has affected the outcome of so many games recently, that it is probably the biggest blight on the game.

Momentum sapping descions are fatal to clubs trying to establish confidence. "We got it wrong" on Tuesday morning, does nothing to alleviate the damage to the purity of the outcome.

I didn't hold a realistic chance for the Dees to get over the Pies, but a lucky bounce here - and a fortuitous interchange there, and who knows? The Dees kept the Pies within reach, until an umpire made a damned poor call, imo.

 

[Collingwood HQ]

Oh boo hoo. May I remind you his job is to win games for Melbourne, not to provide entertainment for the Collingwood masses. Put it this way, if Collingwood had to play that way and ended up beating a top side, say Port Adelaide, you wouldn't be complaining.

BTW the only shithouse spectacle I saw today was Travis Cloke putting on a laughable impersonation of a key forward in the first half. What I saw from Melbourne were 22 committed men who ran, chased, tackled and put their body on the line like their life depended on it.

Yep Cloke was laughable, nearly single handedly kicked more goals then these 22 blokes who put there body's on the line.

 

[melbournemartin]

The Vince non-goal didn't annoy me so much because of the umpiring (I still cannot understand what we did wrong there) but because of how we reacted.

Sure, we (probably) got a bad umpiring decision. These things happen. Collingwood then had three easy shots on goal within a minute or two after because we just fell in a heap. They kicked 1.2 but it was game over.

Ultimately, as a Melbourne supporter we can say that we kept Collingwood to 61 points. That is a good result. We were ineffective going forward and that was the big difference between the two sides.

I won't say that this was a step backwards after the gallant loss to port but it wasn't the step forward we were hoping for.

 

[Zarrix]

Roos has done exactly the right thing with this outfit. This side was a complete and utter basketcase 12 months ago, all over the ground, and off the ground. Roos has seen the first logical step in stopping the floggings and building a defensively sound unit. He isn't going to be a Clarkson or Hinkley , but I expect Roos and his Dees to start becoming more attack minded in the not too distant future.