Pauline Hanson - One Nation Party

[Ghost Patrol]

 

[Not Important]

she's in it 4 the money. so is her dodgy handler ashby. she speaks 2 the prejudices of the moronic f.n.q fwits. f.n.q has a lot to answer 4.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I do think that the Greens do a bit better this time (maybe up to 12%?), but that ON perform significantly worse (maybe 5-6%?). Parties led by Pauline tend to flame out, and surely her anti-vax campaign will be repellent to her older base? Older people tend socially conservative, but they generally don't like dying and so strongly favour vaccines if anything. Old person /= conspiracy theorist.

I think ON's base is shifting. Fewer older people, yes, but it will be made up for by the anti-vax nutcase crowd. They're certainly not a majority of the population, but they could give ON the consistent 10% of the vote that the Greens have achieved.

Absolutely zero chance the greens out poll One Nation up here

Define "up here". Queensland as a whole?

 

[campbell]

I think ON's base is shifting. Fewer older people, yes, but it will be made up for by the anti-vax nutcase crowd. They're certainly not a majority of the population, but they could give ON the consistent 10% of the vote that the Greens have achieved.


Define "up here". Queensland as a whole?

Yep, over 400,000 unvaccinated in one health service.
Close to Brisbane city.

and its not the Goldie, who have the highest unvaxed population in QLD.

 

[DaRick]

I think ON's base is shifting. Fewer older people, yes, but it will be made up for by the anti-vax nutcase crowd. They're certainly not a majority of the population, but they could give ON the consistent 10% of the vote that the Greens have achieved.


Define "up here". Queensland as a whole?

The problem is that she'll have to compete with Clive for the anti-vax nutters. She had an advantage over him when it came to older people because many of them still remember her from the 1990s, when she purported to be speaking up on behalf of the 'left behind' white people (mostly men) who had been made redundant in the early 1990s. Clive never did that. Plus, Clive comes off as more frivolous than Pauline does at face value, so older people are less inclined to take him seriously than they do (or did) Pauline.

By contrast, I don't see that the anti-vax nutters would be any more inclined to vote for her than Clive. Plus there are more obviously more older people up here than there are anti-vax nutters, and IMO the two don't overlap particularly strongly.

Also, this anti-vax thing is just a fad. It'll pretty much go away when OMICRON/COVID passes and these nutters will obsess over something else; something that Pauline may not be able to speak to (chemtrails, lizard people etc.). They're hardly a reliable base for Pauline to build on, and that's if she's not planning to pull the plug before 2025. She'll be over 70 by then, and while she certainly is a narcissist, I think she's also holding out until she's eligible for her parliamentary pension (no idea if she is already).

 

[FredLeDeux]

Also, this anti-vax thing is just a fad. It'll pretty much go away when OMICRON/COVID passes and these nutters will obsess over something else; something that Pauline may not be able to speak to (chemtrails, lizard people etc.). They're hardly a reliable base for Pauline to build on, and that's if she's not planning to pull the plug before 2025. She'll be over 70 by then, and while she certainly is a narcissist, I think she's also holding out until she's eligible for her parliamentary pension (no idea if she is already).

She is perfectly capable of speaking to them

 

[DaRick]

She is perfectly capable of speaking to them

I mean without turning her party into an irrelevant rump. That sort of stuff is really too far out to attract many people.

Moreover, while (quelle surprise) anti-vax sentiment is highest in QLD, it's falling nationwide and to my utter lack of surprise, the older you are, the less likely you are to support it.*

It seems that having an intimate encounter with COVID - plus well-known anti-vaxers like Meat Loaf passing prematurely - makes people realise the folly of not getting vaccinated.

TLDR; ON/UAP's anti-vax campaign is increasingly repellent and they'll just be trading votes with each other RE the increasingly few numbers of anti-vax nutters who are still around come election time.

*I recognise that the Vaccine Hesitancy Tracker hasn't been updated since December 2021, but I somehow don't think that OMICRON ripping through the community will make people less inclined to get vaccinated.

EDIT: Let's not forget the magic of peer pressure. People will feel, and may be subject to, more pressure to get vaccinated as more of their family and friends get vaccinated, which I think is contributing to this effect.

 

[DaRick]

Yep, over 400,000 unvaccinated in one health service.
Close to Brisbane city.

and its not the Goldie, who have the highest unvaxed population in QLD.

I'm a little surprised that the GC is so anti-vax given that large numbers of retirees live there.

Not that ON cleaning up in GC will do much for the LNP - GC is a pretty safe blue area at federal level, and used to be at state level before Deb Frecklington/Pauline Hanson decided that running an 'open borders' strategy was a great idea.

 

[campbell]

I'm a little surprised that the GC is so anti-vax given that large numbers of retirees live there.

Not that ON cleaning up in GC will do much for the LNP - GC is a pretty safe blue area at federal level, and used to be at state level before Deb Frecklington/Pauline Hanson decided that running an 'open borders' strategy was a great idea.

Dear Deb.......Not.

If you look at the numbers passed in Qld, a lot unvaccinated in the over 70 group.

 

[DaRick]

Dear Deb.......Not.

If you look at the numbers passed in Qld, a lot unvaccinated in the over 70 group.

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I couldn't find QLD's figures specifically RE age, but I don't imagine that they're much different from what this graph depicts.

 

[campbell]

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I couldn't find QLD's figures specifically RE age, but I don't imagine that they're much different from what this graph depicts.

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ooops, I cant share the data I have, sorry.
but, sad but true.

 

[DaRick]

ooops, I cant share the data I have, sorry.
but, sad but true.

I don't think you're lying to me, but something just seems off.

The data I have might be misreported, or your data might just focus on raw numbers, which would make any group look more anti or pro-something than they actually are.

 

[campbell]

I don't think you're lying to me, but something just seems off.

The data I have might be misreported, or your data might just focus on raw numbers, which would make any group look more anti or pro-something than they actually are.

My data is as reported locally, internally.

Do you have the data on unboostered staff and patients in private aged care.
Scary stuff.

Dont get me started on no ppe or rats in aged care.

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

One Nation's goose is cooked. They're never going to get the Far North Queensland vote, the Katter boys have stitched that up for another generation. The rest of the country the UAP is going to sweep up her existing peanut demographic and any gains she may have got from her anti vaccine stance.

 

[RedVest4]

I think ON's base is shifting. Fewer older people, yes, but it will be made up for by the anti-vax nutcase crowd. They're certainly not a majority of the population, but they could give ON the consistent 10% of the vote that the Greens have achieved.


Define "up here". Queensland as a whole?

I’m on the Sunshine Coast and there would be three times as many one nation voters as greens.

Acknowledge that would be different in inner brisbane

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I’m on the Sunshine Coast and there would be three times as many one nation voters as greens.

Acknowledge that would be different in inner brisbane

Yep, the Sunshine Coast has never been good electoral ground for the Greens, except for a small patch around Maleny and Montville.

Since you're a local, I'd value your opinion on why the Sunshine Coast (and everywhere north of it, I suppose) is so conservative. Any thoughts?

 

[Donakebab]

I’m on the Sunshine Coast and there would be three times as many one nation voters as greens.

Acknowledge that would be different in inner brisbane

Well the actual data shows this is abjectly false.

At the 2019 Federal election the Greens received more votes than One Nation in Fisher and Fairfax, while One Nation polled more in Wide Bay.

Additional votes in each district:
Greens
Fairfax - 4,630
Fisher - 3,693

One Nation
Wide Bay - 836

+7,487 Federally for the Greens.

At the 2020 State election the Greens received more votes in all but one electoral district within the Sunshine Coast. Additional votes in each district:

Additional votes in each district:
Greens
Buderim - 1,945
Caloundra - 1,274
Glass House - 803
Kawana - 1,041
Maroochydore - 2,089
Nicklin - 1,802
Ninderry - 2,077
Noosa - 1,153

One Nation
Nanango - 3,583

+11,826 at State level for the Greens.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Yep, the Sunshine Coast has never been good electoral ground for the Greens, except for a small patch around Maleny and Montville.

Since you're a local, I'd value your opinion on why the Sunshine Coast (and everywhere north of it, I suppose) is so conservative. Any thoughts?

Anywhere north of the Brisbane river it gets a bit weird.

Different water supply or something, and they speak with a different accent.

 

[DaRick]

Anywhere north of the Brisbane river it gets a bit weird.

Different water supply or something, and they speak with a different accent.

It gets weirder as you go further away from the Brisbane City Council, truth be told.

The GC has its own brand of weirdness.

Yep, the Sunshine Coast has never been good electoral ground for the Greens, except for a small patch around Maleny and Montville.

Since you're a local, I'd value your opinion on why the Sunshine Coast (and everywhere north of it, I suppose) is so conservative. Any thoughts?

The SC is filled with retirees and apathetic beach bums (my half-brother is one; he's a good guy but he's apathetic about politics).

Electorates like Hinkler are full of retirees.

 

[Nikita Blue]

 

[kickazz]

Lol learn to speak Asian

 

[Brad Goodman]

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

The ignorant fish shop owner and her dodgy assistant are in it for the money. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[DaRick]

The ignorant fish shop owner and her dodgy assistant are in it for the money. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I'm trying to imagine what Pauline's thought processes must be like - truth be told, I think she acts more than she thinks, but her thought processes are quite calculating - coldly designed to attract maximum attention and controversy - and completely unhindered by anything remotely resembling morals or principles. I know full well that this sort of individual can justify just about anything if they wanted to, because they truly believe that notions of morality 1) don't exist and 2) don't make sense.

Hence, we get Pauline Hanson, a politican who is quite comfortable acting in a way that generates the most attention possible, regardless of the hurt it causes.

I'd say that while money is very important to Pauline, that her narcissistic, histrionic and antisocial impulses make creating damaging controversy that most important thing in her life. Money just's a beneficial side effect.

I guess you could say that she found her 'calling' in 1996 - the nation's suffered for it, but I guarantee that doesn't bother her.

Luckily, she's nearing 70 and so I don't think she has long to go in politics.

 

[Crankyhawk]

So did Pauline commit to supporting religious freedom bill? If so that’s a long way from the “ban the burka “ she started with.

 

[Gough]

So did Pauline commit to supporting religious freedom bill? If so that’s a long way from the “ban the burka “ she started with.

Her anti Asian views are painfully hip again. Let's face it the people who get fired up by Morrison's anti Chinese rants aren't going to be shy about handing out abuse to someone from Malaysia or Singapore, this is a return to the racist shit that she first achieved notoriety for whatever she's achieved.