Fatima Payman - Australia's Voice Party

[Freomaniac]

Is it normal to start a political party with no policies?

It isnt a left wing party or a right wing one. It's a central one.

Make that what you will. I dont think her party will win any seats.

Clive Palmer had his party, the Palmer United Party.

He had millions of dollars and his party was heavily promoted 6 months before the 2022 Federal election. They didn't win too many seats either

 

[Crankyhawk]

Is it normal to start a political party with no policies?

ask the LNP..

 

[Freomaniac]

Pretty sure its an anti Israel party.

Will be tough because they will likely be anti LGBTQI+.

How many votes or seats will get in the 2025 Federal election realistically?

 

[HairyO]

How many votes or seats will get in the 2025 Federal election realistically?

0. Assuming Thorpe is up for re-election she will be gone too.

 

[Donakebab]

0. Assuming Thorpe is up for re-election she will be gone too.

Why even bring up Thorpe when she has no relevance to the thread?

Also, it takes less than a minute to search for Senate expiry dates.

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[Freomaniac]

0. Assuming Thorpe is up for re-election she will be gone too.

Good point. I can't see Fatima Payman and her party getting seats either.

Clive Palmer had his party in the 2022 election. He had seats at every part in the country.

Not to mention spent millions on advertising his campaign

 

[HairyO]

Good point. I can't see Fatima Payman and her party getting seats either.

Clive Palmer had his party in the 2022 election. He had seats at every part in the country.

Not to mention spent millions on advertising his campaign

Palmer spent hundreds of millions and hardly won anything. I think he was the biggest spender out of all parties in one of the elections which is insane.

But he is rich and his ego is greater than his need to sensibly spend his money.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

ask the LNP..

To be fair it's only half the LNPs fault, they exist as the anti-Labor/labour party and Labor stopped doing anything worth opposing for them a while ago.

 

[Saint]

Palmer spent hundreds of millions and hardly won anything. I think he was the biggest spender out of all parties in one of the elections which is insane.

But he is rich and his ego is greater than his need to sensibly spend his money.

Palmer's motive was to ensure either he or the LNP got elected. It was a preference funnel for the Libs from disaffected ALP voters.

 

[RedStarUncle]

Palmer's motive was to ensure either he or the LNP got elected. It was a preference funnel for the Libs from disaffected ALP voters.

I think... to slightly tweak your point... his motive was to ensure the LNP felt like it owed its election to Palmer. Therefore bullying the LNP into his corner.

 

[HairyO]

I think... to slightly tweak your point... his motive was to ensure the LNP felt like it owed its election to Palmer. Therefore bullying the LNP into his corner.

Im not so sure. I think he genuinely thought he would win a bunch of seats and join a minority government.

 

[Freomaniac]

Im not so sure. I think he genuinely thought he would win a bunch of seats and join a minority government.

I was thinking that too....

Clive Palmer is a Billionaire. He actually thought he was gonna win the 2022 federal election. Or at worst, gain 1 to 1.5 million voters like the greens did. Which could possibly mean 4 or 5 or possibly up to 6 seats.

 

[RedStarUncle]

I was thinking that too....

Clive Palmer is a Billionaire. He actually thought he was gonna win the 2022 federal election. Or at worst, gain 1 to 1.5 million voters like the greens did. Which could possibly mean 4 or 5 or possibly up to 6 seats.

Whether through preferences or directly winning seats, the result was the same for him:
- Best-case scenario become PM
- Worst case scenario, the winning party owed him for their win



I don't think he specifically cared about LNP or ALP winning... just that whoever won owed him, and he ended up plumping for LNP after he started. He probably was always going that way anyway... but if LNP had been playing ball from the get-go he wouldn't have even gotten involved so it was all about forcing them into a corner at the risk of him sending votes to ALP.

 

[Vindicater]

Palmer spent hundreds of millions and hardly won anything. I think he was the biggest spender out of all parties in one of the elections which is insane.

But he is rich and his ego is greater than his need to sensibly spend his money.

Palmer also spent alot of money to drag votes from the centre to the right.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

We've seen this movie before

Scene 1: Politician is member of major party
Scene 2: Politician has falling out with major party and quits, becoming an independent
Scene 3: Politician sets up their own new party
Scene 4: New party wins a couple of seats at next election
Scene 5: there is an internal feud in new party and the first-term members leave, becoming independents themselves
Scene 6: the new party shrivels up and dies
The end

Yep. Can’t see why this one would be the slightest bit different.

 

[Rotayjay]

The scrapheap of Australian history is full of defunct airlines (Impulse, Ansett, etc) and there is a neighbouring section of the scrapheap full of failed minor parties (the Democrats, Palmer United Party, Nick Xenophon Team, Centre Alliance, Family First, Australian Conservatives, et cetera).

The Greens is pretty much the only one to have survived and grown. I would say that's because they're not a single-issue party and occupy a part of the spectrum once occupied by Labor.

Single-issue parties, or those perceived to be single-issue, are sentenced to death when that issue isn't making headlines anymore.

 

[NSWCROW]

Tore pawleen a 2nd arseh*le earlier.

daily tele FB page posted the story, comment section didn't go as they'd hoped so they deleted it then posted it AGAIN 20m later

 

[faible]

Tore pawleen a 2nd arseh*le earlier.

daily tele FB page posted the story, comment section didn't go as they'd hoped so they deleted it then posted it AGAIN 20m later

Was quite funny

 

[MJG14]

Anyone who has a go at Hanson earns my respect. Seems to be caused by Hanson moving a motion that questioned Payman's eligibility to sit in Parliament from a citizenship perspective. It was determined months ago that Payman attempted to renounce her citizenship, so it's just the usual racist, waste of time stunt from grub Hanson. Probably felt like she hadn't been relevant for a while.

 

[Goroyals22]

Anyone who has a go at Hanson earns my respect. Seems to be caused by Hanson moving a motion that questioned Payman's eligibility to sit in Parliament from a citizenship perspective. It was determined months ago that Payman attempted to renounce her citizenship, so it's just the usual racist, waste of time stunt from grub Hanson. Probably felt like she hadn't been relevant for a while.

It was determined by Alp lawyers, that’s all…
Just a childish display of immaturity that shows she isn’t capable of any debate… she was asked to table her legal advice and didn’t do it


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[geoffjennings79]

Just a childish display of immaturity that shows she isn’t capable of any debate…

You've just described Hanson perfectly.

 

[Saint]

If Senator Payman had a letter from the Taliban addressed to her, do you think Senator Hanson would say that was a good thing, or a bad thing?

 

[rodney86]

Do we even recognise the Taliban as the government?

 

[HairyO]

Anyone who has a go at Hanson earns my respect. Seems to be caused by Hanson moving a motion that questioned Payman's eligibility to sit in Parliament from a citizenship perspective. It was determined months ago that Payman attempted to renounce her citizenship, so it's just the usual racist, waste of time stunt from grub Hanson. Probably felt like she hadn't been relevant for a while.

The High Court makes these decisions, not politicians and their lawyers. Technically she is a citizen of 2 countries so would not be eligible. However, one of those countries isnt really a country and doesnt really have a government or any way for someone to contact and relinquish their citizenship, so who knows. But it is something which the High Court should hear and decide on.

 

[Saint]

The High Court makes these decisions, not politicians and their lawyers. Technically she is a citizen of 2 countries so would not be eligible. However, one of those countries isnt really a country and doesnt really have a government or any way for someone to contact and relinquish their citizenship, so who knows. But it is something which the High Court should hear and decide on.

They included that in their previous ruling, that you should have made efforts to renounce it. Hanson is questioning what effort Payman had made. The same Hanson who would no doubt be going full-bore at Sen Payman if Payman had addressed anything to the Taliban as a polite way of renouncing her citizenship.