Pavlich and Swan - Turnover Kings

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GordonGecko said:
No. Swan has 50 direct turnovers for the year according to Prostats.
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sorry but you must be trolling
ive been to every game this year and by god i have no seen swan handball or kick straight to the opposition 50 times this year
maybe in close where any disposal has a 50/50 chance of going to either side will this be possible and even then just proves that swanny gets his own ball and your mate (who is he again?) gets spoon fed the ball
 
Mundy 1st for uncontested possession (73%) means he gets it on the outside with little pressure and he should be able to spot up a teamate with ease. However he only has a DE of 72.5% with half of these handballs. This should be better for such an outside player under no pressure.
 
Oh did I mention for such a weapon (as you put it) he only has 1 goal assist for the year. I thought they moved him into the midfield. Very half back flank stats (very Gibbs like).
 

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Pleasedontfail11 said:
Here are the stats from this year, which you think would favour Mundy because this is probabaly his best year yet. However they seam to disagree.

D Swan 39 CL 111 Kicks 53 Handpasses DE 69.09% 10.3% Clangers
D Mundy 17 CL 72 Kicks 70 Handballs DE 72.54% 10.6% Clangers


Swan more kicks, which generally means less DE, however his DE is only a few percent behind. If I could work out how to put DE for kicking alone Swan would be in front (yes I am guessing but logic would dictate this). Swan less clangers not by much. Swan a lot more clearances 24% of all his possessions compared to Mundy's 12% of possessions. This means that Swan is getting the ball and kicking if forward, which can often be a turn over however despite this he still has a better kicking DE then Mundy.

Obsessed much with Swan? How many threads is this?
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These are some damning stats, not surprising that Pav4An00s failed to address your post. Judging on the clearances differential Mundy is nothing more than an outside seagull and that is a shocking disposal efficiency for an outside player.
Fail thread is fail. :eek::eek::eek:

PS. Take your pathetic, homoerotic obsession with spud Mundy to the main board, Pav.
 
JG13 said:
theres a difference between inneffective disposals and clangers mate:thumbsu:
nice try, clearly the bay isnt for you
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At no stage have I mentioned either inneffective disposals or clangers.

Just turnovers, of which Dane Swan has 50.

A ratio of 3:1.

Terrible for an offensive mid.
 
GordonGecko said:
At no stage have I mentioned either inneffective disposals or clangers.

Just turnovers, of which Dane Swan has 50.

A ratio of 3:1.

Terrible for an offensive mid.
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ok well since youre banging on about how bad his disposals "supposedly" is he is second at collingwood for long kicks, which you would assume would be to pack scenarios which could explain the turnover rate
and also if he is so bad why is he second as well for kicks to advantage, this highlights his overall effectiveness

IMO the reason the turnover number is so high is because he gets so much of the ball, stop nit picking and find some real deficiancies in his game. he is a gun and mundy isnt even fit to tie is bootlaces
 
Pleasedontfail11 said:
ratio of 150 :50 ?? for Swan (actually 165:50)
About the same as Mundy. (142:39) Do you do much maths??
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Dont throw facts in to destroy his argument.

Now, of course Swan gets more inside ball so he is under more pressure in his disposal
, so I am assuming that the 2.3% better disposal by Mundy has a huge impact on Freo fortunes and propels them over the line more often than Swans gets Collingwood over the line.

Oh ....................... hold it, Freo are nowhere near as good as Collingwood. mmmmm not looking good for Mundy.
 

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Pleasedontfail11 said:
So Fremantle's official statics are wrong? Ok. Guess you have a link that Fremantle use Pro stats? Because as the website states, its the website Coaches use.
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Fremantle statistics are put together by the AFL.

Look at their website, it's a mess.

I'll stick with the site dedicated to one thing, statistics.

3:1 Shithouse.
 
GordanGecko, you are a complete and utter tool. Have you ever put these "turnovers" into consideration with how much pressure these players get under. You troll your captain, and one of the best midfielders in the competition. Seriously troll alert.
 
GordonGecko said:
Pav hits all his targets?
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yeah you know coz its possible and all :cool:

just count the AA's between pav and swan and compare to mundy
in fact compare everything besides this one stat (which tbh proves mundy is an average outside player) and youll find that pav and swan are elite consistent stars and mundy doesnt even get close
 
Here's one fact for you Gordie, the award the players award to the best player in the comp, was awarded to Swan last year. The one's whose opinion counts the most, think he is the best going round, and it was by a long margin. The coaches, the one's who have to put strategies in place to counter opponents effectiveness voted him the best player in the comp.

Now your ego might be such that you think your opinion is above all those that actually play the game and those that strategise and analyse the game full time, but I'm hazarding a guess that they are closer to the mark than you ever will be.

It was by some margin that those people think Swan was well ahead of Mundy, and pretty much anyone in the game last year.
 
GordonGecko said:
No. Swan has 50 direct turnovers for the year according to Prostats.
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He has 50 "turnovers" from 166 possessions. Which means 116 disposals that weren't turnovers, which is 69.9%, which is coincidentally his disposal efficiency.

So any disposal that is not effective is counted as a "turnover". Which is completely ridiculous.

You'd be better off looking at "critical errors".
 
FuManchu said:
Here's one fact for you Gordie, the award the players award to the best player in the comp, was awarded to Swan last year. The one's whose opinion counts the most, think he is the best going round, and it was by a long margin. The coaches, the one's who have to put strategies in place to counter opponents effectiveness voted him the best player in the comp.

Now your ego might be such that you think your opinion is above all those that actually play the game and those that strategise and analyse the game full time, but I'm hazarding a guess that they are closer to the mark than you ever will be.

It was by some margin that those people think Swan was well ahead of Mundy, and pretty much anyone in the game last year.
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Well you'll notice Im talking about this year. Dumbass.

Also, I have a feeling coaches allow Swan extra room because he is the least damaging or creative player by foot behind Ball in your side.
 

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