Pay TV Deal- Talks Ceased

[Lidge]

Foxtel owned Fox Footy. the Premier Media Group own Fox Sports. Two enirely different organisations.
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And as an FYI....

The Premier Media Group (Fox Sports, Lifestyle Channel & Fuel TV) is a joint venture between PBL & News Limited.

 

[eddiesmith]

Realistic tiger- Why are you like everyone assuming that if the games are left with 7/10 then games will be seen at 11:00 at night? Where does that stupid idea come from?

As for Foxtel and AFL, I dont see AFL as a bonus, I see it as a pain in the arse that will stop other sports being broadcast instead. Leave the footy to FTA so FOxtel can start giving some proper coverage to the sports they have rights to. They complain about FTA not showing things as do defenders of Fox when they are guilty of it themselves

 

[Borgsta]

Realistic tiger- Why are you like everyone assuming that if the games are left with 7/10 then games will be seen at 11:00 at night? Where does that stupid idea come from?

Well I cant see how else they could do it. Unless of course ch 7 and 10 are going to compete with each other.

 

[NSWCROW]

you are typical of the pro foxtel side in this argument; ill informed and scaremongering.

please educate yourself on this issue before posting such ignorant crap. i suggest reading this thread for starters

What is wrong with you dude ??
Just answer me this....
Do you WANT AFL to be shown in NSW / QLD or are you just a selfish prick who doesnt care as long as its shown in VIC ?

 

[Wooshavich]

To those complaining about paying for Foxtel just to watch the footy you are seriously in need of help. If you are getting/weregoing to get/have got Foxtel just for the AFL then don't complain about the price they are charging you.

Why should we not complain about the price? Why do I have to buy the whole package with all it's **** programs when realistically all I want is the football. Sell me just the programs I want (eg AFL) at a lower price and they've got me, hook, line and sinker.

You are the one who decides whether you want it or not. No-one is forcing you to get it.

On the contrary. If there were four games on Foxtel as would have been the case if 9/Fox got the rights then some of us would be forced to get it.

Most people I know get Foxtel for the other stations and having the AFL is seen as a bonus.

I have no problems with that. But where does PTV leave a footy fan like me who wants to watch the footy, but is not buying Foxtel for for all the other channels?

 

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Realistic tiger- Why are you like everyone assuming that if the games are left with 7/10 then games will be seen at 11:00 at night? Where does that stupid idea come from?

As for Foxtel and AFL, I dont see AFL as a bonus, I see it as a pain in the arse that will stop other sports being broadcast instead. Leave the footy to FTA so FOxtel can start giving some proper coverage to the sports they have rights to. They complain about FTA not showing things as do defenders of Fox when they are guilty of it themselves

There are 4 games on Saturday correct?

Currently Channel 10 have the rights at present to the Saturday games. They show the afternnon game at 3.30pm, then have Before the Game and then they either show a game from interstate at 7pm or the replay from Melbourne at 7.30pm. Now just how and when are they going to show the other 2 games or are they going to go and use multi screen shots and have the vision of 2 games at once. Doubt that very much.

Option 2 show the Saturday games on both 7 & 10 meaning they go in direct competition with each other. There go the ratings, there go the $$$$ the sponsors/advertisers will pay each station. Meaning they lose more money on the deal. A spanner in this proposal is that 7 have the rights to the V8's and were/are planning to have the races ran on Saturday instead to free up Sunday for the footy. Which brings us to...

Option 3 the Sunday games are set for 7, 3 games beginning at 1pm second game at 2pm and the twilight games at 5.15pm now not too sure about your maths but a game goes for about 100 minutes. Yet there are only 60 minutes in an hour. So showing the 2pm game in the afternoon is not going to work as showing a highlights package between 4pm-5pm is not fair to the supporters of these teams either. This would mean 10 picking up a Sunday game or 2 as they would have the right to half the games each week. Again both station have to go up against each other.

It would leave the only solution that does not see the stations going up against each other as the following:
7 - Friday nights, 3 Sunday games 1pm Live, 5.15pm Live from interstate delayed in Melbourne after the news. 2pm late night replay.

10- 4 Saturday games with the games being shown all day from 2.30 if interstate, 3.30 in Melbourne until sometime after Midnight to fit all 8 games in, in full.

 

[eddiesmith]

7 cover a Saturday game at 2:00pm LIVE and 7:00 LIVE whilst 10 keep their current arrangements meaning some games against each other. They could even tweak the fixture and try some 1:00 Saturday games

On Sundays 7 keep the 1:00 game and 10 show the other 2

 

[_RT_]

Why should we not complain about the price? Why do I have to buy the whole package with all it's **** programs when realistically all I want is the football. Sell me just the programs I want (eg AFL) at a lower price and they've got me, hook, line and sinker.

It does not make financial sense to do the packages this way for them.

On the contrary. If there were four games on Foxtel as would have been the case if 9/Fox got the rights then some of us would be forced to get it.

Unless Foxtel or their representatives come to your house and put a gun to the head of you and your family no-one forces you to get Foxtel.

I have no problems with that. But where does PTV leave a footy fan like me who wants to watch the footy, but is not buying Foxtel for for all the other channels?

It is not Foxtel which is putting you and others in this position it is 7/10 who went and brought the rights and then failed to realise they could not realistically show all 8 games in a fair and reasonable manner to all footy fans. Remember back when only 7 had the footy before Pay TV came along. Watching the replays on 7 you would get 5 games a week. Friday night, Saturday replay, Saturday night, Sunday afternoon, Sunday night from Perth. If you followed a poorly performed side you got jack for coverage. With the advent of Pay TV and the deal between the 9/10 and Foxtel group those that had/have Foxtel and before that 7/Optus-C7 you got access to all 8 games and now we want all 8 games and we want them at a reasonable time however to get this servoce you don't want to pay for it. Well unless one of the scenarios I put forward in my post above goes ahead you will not see them on FTA at reasonable times instead you will see some games at all sorts of hours.

 

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7 cover a Saturday game at 2:00pm LIVE and 7:00 LIVE whilst 10 keep their current arrangements meaning some games against each other. They could even tweak the fixture and try some 1:00 Saturday games

On Sundays 7 keep the 1:00 game and 10 show the other 2

As I said in my first post and the reply to your original post the stations will lose money if forced to compete against each other. They also lose if they show replays of games at 11pm on Saturday/Sunday nights.

BTW which game does 7 show live if 2 games are scheduled in Melbourne/Victoria on a Saturday:

Example Round 4 Next year
Collingwood vs. Port AdelaideMCG (Day)2:10pm2:10pmSt. Kilda vs. EssendonTelstra Dome (Day)2:10 pm2:10 pmKangaroos vs. Brisbane LionsGold Coast Stadium, Carrara (Night)7:10pm7:10pmAdelaide vs. SydneyAAMI Stadium (Night)7:40pm7:10pm

Which game gets shown live against the gate at 2pm in Melbourne the Pies v Port or the Saints v Dons? The AFL forbids that happening except in games like ANZAC day.

 

[eddiesmith]

As I said in my first post and the reply to your original post the stations will lose money if forced to compete against each other. They also lose if they show replays of games at 11pm on Saturday/Sunday nights.

BTW which game does 7 show live if 2 games are scheduled in Melbourne/Victoria on a Saturday:

Example Round 4 Next year
Collingwood vs. Port AdelaideMCG (Day)2:10pm2:10pmSt. Kilda vs. EssendonTelstra Dome (Day)2:10 pm2:10 pmKangaroos vs. Brisbane LionsGold Coast Stadium, Carrara (Night)7:10pm7:10pmAdelaide vs. SydneyAAMI Stadium (Night)7:40pm7:10pm

Which game gets shown live against the gate at 2pm in Melbourne the Pies v Port or the Saints v Dons? The AFL forbids that happening except in games like ANZAC day.

Saints v Dons as it will likely have very high pre sales being at the dump between 2 Dome tenants

They are also going to lose money if they take Foxtels rubbish deal for 4 games, 7/10 can not get anywhere near their money back showing only 2 games each

 

[Wooshavich]

Unless Foxtel or their representatives come to your house and put a gun to the head of you and your family no-one forces you to get Foxtel.

So I take it then your local electricity and water providers held guns to your head which is why you pay your bills. I know, I know, they are necessities, but I love my football, and footy is a necessity for me!

If you followed a poorly performed side you got jack for coverage. With the advent of Pay TV and the deal between the 9/10 and Foxtel group those that had/have Foxtel and before that 7/Optus-C7 you got access to all 8 games and now we want all 8 games and we want them at a reasonable time however to get this servoce you don't want to pay for it.

Never had PTV and at this stage never will, unless of course I am forced to get it (see above). That's the thing, I am willing to pay for it, but I'm not prepared to pay for all the other drivel that I have to get with it. Perhaps at some point in the future Foxtel will offer more choice (this does not mean more channels!) and I may reconsider, but in it's current format it plain sux.

 

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Saints v Dons as it will likely have very high pre sales being at the dump between 2 Dome tenants

They are also going to lose money if they take Foxtels rubbish deal for 4 games, 7/10 can not get anywhere near their money back showing only 2 games each

AS opposed to the Pies and Port at the G which would get 30,000 if the weather is fine. If you go through the Fixture you will see there are many rounds with 2 Melbourne games and just as many with games starting at 4.40 Melb time from Perth, which again means the stations go against each other.

 

[eddiesmith]

AS opposed to the Pies and Port at the G which would get 30,000 if the weather is fine. If you go through the Fixture you will see there are many rounds with 2 Melbourne games and just as many with games starting at 4.40 Melb time from Perth, which again means the stations go against each other.

Would get atleast 40,000, they got 32,000+ on a Sunday at the dump, the worst time and venue you can get, Sat arvo at the G will be a big crowd, they got 77,000 the last time they played Saturday Afternoon at the G

As for the Perth games, they would be perfect if 10 would show the 2:00 game LIVE then 7 at 4:40 and 7:30 for the double header like Fox used to show

 

[MarkT]

the Australian Football League (AFL) is an Australian sport, why on earth should we pay for a service that is a national sport? Everybody has the right to view it for free - unless their attending the game live in person of course.

Where does that right come from and when did we get it?

 

[Geoff]

Foxtel owned Fox Footy. the Premier Media Group own Fox Sports. Two enirely different organisations.

Although strickly correct, Premier Media Group is a a 50/50 joint venture between News Limited and PBL which is in essence Foxtel.

 

[ringleader]

Although strickly correct, Premier Media Group is a a 50/50 joint venture between News Limited and PBL which is in essence Foxtel.

No it's not as Telstra own 50% of Foxtel and 0% of Fox Sports.

 

[Alex99]

Foxtel sits and waits

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20666409-21543,00.html

MICHELANGELO RUCCI
October 29, 2006 11:15pm


CLINTON Grybas, the face of the Fox Footy Channel for the past five years, last week went past his office next to Melbourne's Southbank to find all the FFC logos have been pulled down.

Billy Cannon, the former St Kilda footballer who produced FFC's best show, the Monday night talkfest On The Couch, is trying life back at free-to-air television, at Channel 10.
The reality is: the Fox Footy Channel is not coming back. Not at all.

When AFL chief operating officer Ben Buckley released the 2007 AFL premiership draw last Wednesday, a critical question was: which television channels would take which games, in particular the new timeslot designed for television: Sunday twilight games?

Buckley responded: there is no formula.

Channels 7 and 10, which have paid $780 million for the AFL's television rights, are contracted to show all 176 home-and-away matches and September's finals.

If every weekend all eight games are shown on free-to-air television - which has the greatest reach across Australia - the AFL will be happy, says Buckley.

If Seven and Ten lease out matches to a Pay-TV channel, the AFL would still be content.

The AFL is not setting an "artificial deadline" for the television issue to be settled. The league cannot lose. It has a record payment from television; it has a guarantee all games will be televised with "protection" clauses for football fans in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney and Brisbane.

If Pay-TV footy returns, it will be with FoxSports3 - and, most probably, without the specialty shows such as Cannon's On The Couch and Grybas' White Line Fever.

Seven and Ten need FoxSports3. Otherwise, they will cannibalise each other in Saturday night ratings when each will show an AFL game and Channel 9 will win the timeslot with non-football programming.

FoxSports3 knows this, and will wait until the free-to-air channels knock down their asking price.

Meanwhile, television commentators such as Grybas and Dwayne Russell are kept waiting to learn where their next job is.

And a myth will grow. Many believe Sunday twilight football was designed to lure FoxSports3 to the negotiating table. But this timeslot might be more appealing to Channel 7, with the telecast breaking at half-time for news.

That this timeslot was designed for television suggests a network asked for it. And the only one in a position to do so was Seven.

Stay tuned. But don't expect a quick resolution.

 

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Would get atleast 40,000, they got 32,000+ on a Sunday at the dump, the worst time and venue you can get, Sat arvo at the G will be a big crowd, they got 77,000 the last time they played Saturday Afternoon at the G

As for the Perth games, they would be perfect if 10 would show the 2:00 game LIVE then 7 at 4:40 and 7:30 for the double header like Fox used to show

The simple fact of the matter is that neither 7 or 10 can show the games live against the gate unless the AFL either changes the rule or give special treatment as they do with the ANZAC game.

That just defeats the purpose of the AFL draw which is designed to maximise revenue for the clubs. Imagine if the Pies had all 18 games shown live against the gate in Melbourne. Their membership levels would fall, crowd figures would fall and the $$$ coming in would also fall.

 

[BrownDog2]

If 7 & 10 do it all there is no way any game will be live, except for the Sunday 1pm match.
You will not see ALL the other games replayed in full either. (of course some you will) But you will seeing a lot of highlights packages like in the old days.

 

[Babe Ruth]

 

[CF]

Seven and Ten need FoxSports3. Otherwise, they will cannibalise each other in Saturday night ratings when each will show an AFL game and Channel 9 will win the timeslot with non-football programming.


Stay tuned. But don't expect a quick resolution.

I think this the bottom line of the whole thing. Even if it is only 3 games that paytv broadcasts, it is in the FTA stations best interest not to show games in competition with each other because 9 will be the winner. Kerry Packer must be laughing from the grave as we speak.

 

[mob]

so everyone who gives a stuff about football have to pay $60 a month just so a handfull of expatriot melbournians can watch it instead of iron chef. yeah right.

you'll get 8 games for free and friday and saturday will be live. pretty good for a rugby state

It's best you don't comment on something you know nothing about.

Come live up here and your idea of 'live" will be a big fat let down.

As a 10year Sydneyite, I say bring on Foxtel Footy games, better than half a game post midnight.

 

[swans12]

I think this the bottom line of the whole thing. Even if it is only 3 games that paytv broadcasts, it is in the FTA stations best interest not to show games in competition with each other because 9 will be the winner. Kerry Packer must be laughing from the grave as we speak.

Its interesting you say that, I read an article recently which stated that Kerry Packer knew the price to get the rights was too inflated and he knew that 7 was so posessed to get them back, they would certainly pay too much.

The comment laughing from his grave is right on the money.

 

[janiek]

last thursdays media section of the australian mentioned ABC2 being brought in as a solution
which would only cost >$100 for STB
has anyone else heard much about the ABC2 option?

 

[eddiesmith]

If 7 & 10 do it all there is no way any game will be live, except for the Sunday 1pm match.
You will not see ALL the other games replayed in full either. (of course some you will) But you will seeing a lot of highlights packages like in the old days.

Actually the deal says all 8 games must be shown in full