Perth Stadium (Optus Stadium)

[arkie]

It should work out well.
It is amazing how many nay sayers there are.
What about public housing, what about education(we spend more than any other state o education).
Just build the bloody thing.

Actually those are legitimate concerns. Same thing has happened in the States in low socio-economic areas have funded NFL stadiums when the money could be spent on other services that more people will benefit from. Instead, a stadium is built and a few people get richer.

AAMI Park was built by tax payers in Victoria, I've been there once. If the Melbourne Metro was built, I would benefit from that every day.

In my view, no stadium should be built with tax payer money. I'm totally against it.

 

[Shoei]

Actually those are legitimate concerns. Same thing has happened in the States in low socio-economic areas have funded NFL stadiums when the money could be spent on other services that more people will benefit from. Instead, a stadium is built and a few people get richer.

AAMI Park was built by tax payers in Victoria, I've been there once. If the Melbourne Metro was built, I would benefit from that every day.

In my view, no stadium should be built with tax payer money. I'm totally against it.

The Public requires entertainment.

Didnt Simcity teach you anything?

 

[holybishop]

What a boring place Perth would be if we just spent tax payer money on the bare essentials. There's plenty of money to go around for 2 new hospitals and a stadium.

 

[Rob]

The Public requires entertainment.

Didnt Simcity teach you anything?

Even the Romans worked that out 2000 years ago.

 

[brucetiki]

Even the Romans worked that out 2000 years ago.

There's another use for the new stadium - public executions, or feeding the opposition to the lions

 

[The_Reaper]

What a boring place Perth would be if we just spent tax payer money on the bare essentials. There's plenty of money to go around for 2 new hospitals and a stadium.

What they should just do is bulldoze Subi and bulldoze the WACA (I'll cry but it needs to be done) and use those proceeds to help pay for the stadium.
Compensate the WAFC (which is state government anyway) and the WACA by letting them run the stadium for half the year each.

Both the WACA and Subi are sitting on goldmines.

 

[The_Reaper]

With the organised and targetted "no stadium" group now dragging out the what about the sick kiddies line.This is still a pipe dream.

Will not believe in it until I am sitting in the finished stadium

Whatever people say about Barnett when he wants something done he gets it done and bugger any consequences.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

There isn't an organized and targeted not Stadium group. There is more opposition to the Waterfront project and to the expansion to Crown and both of them will happen.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

What a boring place Perth would be if we just spent tax payer money on the bare essentials. There's plenty of money to go around for 2 new hospitals and a stadium.

Traveled out to Midland lately? that would be three new hospitals.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Hospitals redeveloped or built in the past 6 years

Public

Fiona Stanley

Joondalup

Hollywood

Swan districts

Perth childrens hospital

Private

St john of god murdoch

Joondalup



So thats roughly six major hospitals

Then the state govt has already allocating a billion for sir charles and royal perth in 2016. Not to mention expansions metro wide and the new alkimos one

Sick to death of the hospital squealers theres going to be a surplus of beds soon.

We need private investment throughout the city in particular the peinsula need to make it the hub of perth in terms of entertainment and such and it will happen with the govt needing to make back their money via land sales

 

[WA ROO]

Hospitals redeveloped or built in the past 6 years

Public

Fiona Stanley

Joondalup

Hollywood

Swan districts

Perth childrens hospital

Private

St john of god murdoch

Joondalup



So thats roughly six major hospitals

Then the state govt has already allocating a billion for sir charles and royal perth in 2016. Not to mention expansions metro wide and the new alkimos one

Sick to death of the hospital squealers theres going to be a surplus of beds soon.

We need private investment throughout the city in particular the peinsula need to make it the hub of perth in terms of entertainment and such and it will happen with the govt needing to make back their money via land sales

Doesn't matter
WA could have a 500 bed hospital in every suburb with a police station on every second intersection.Certain vested interests will still say stop the stadium due to lack of hospital beds and police
They have already started on about public housing

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Doesn't matter
WA could have a 500 bed hospital in every suburb with a police station on every second intersection.Certain vested interests will still say stop the stadium due to lack of hospital beds and police
They have already started on about public housing

there is a significant issue with public housing now granted but anything else bar transport has been taken care of pretty well I reckon.

and theres still more coming.

 

[madmug]

Actually those are legitimate concerns. Same thing has happened in the States in low socio-economic areas have funded NFL stadiums when the money could be spent on other services that more people will benefit from. Instead, a stadium is built and a few people get richer.

AAMI Park was built by tax payers in Victoria, I've been there once. If the Melbourne Metro was built, I would benefit from that every day.

In my view, no stadium should be built with tax payer money. I'm totally against it.

Part of the role of Government is to help stimulate economic activity & the jobs that come with it.
Professional sport creates a lot of economic activity. A multi use stadium will stimulate the economy, as will having a third AFL club in the city.

 

[arkie]

Part of the role of Government is to help stimulate economic activity & the jobs that come with it.
Professional sport creates a lot of economic activity. A multi use stadium will stimulate the economy, as will having a third AFL club in the city.

Building rail networks such as the Melbourne Metro will also stimulate the economy and benefit millions of people every day. I don't understand your argument.

 

[madmug]

Building rail networks such as the Melbourne Metro will also stimulate the economy and benefit millions of people every day. I don't understand your argument.

My 'argument' is that Government can do more than one thing to stimulate the economy. A well used stadium adds a lot to a city.
One might also say that people should do a better job of managing their own health. We should be exercising a whole lot more, we should stop smoking & stop eating so much crap food. That way we would need less expensive hospitals & we'd all be much happier & healthier.
Why should the tax payer spend a fortune looking after people with lifestyle choice issues?

 

[arkie]

My 'argument' is that Government can do more than one thing to stimulate the economy. A well used stadium adds a lot to a city.
One might also say that people should do a better job of managing their own health. We should be exercising a whole lot more, we should stop smoking & stop eating so much crap food. That way we would need less expensive hospitals & we'd all be much happier & healthier.
Why should the tax payer spend a fortune looking after people with lifestyle choice issues?

From philosophical standpoint, taxpayers don't owe anything to sports teams and or franchise owners. Profit generated from the stadium isn't coming back to us, it's being held privately.

If you're okay with this then why don't we start subsidising skyscrapers? Build a 400m tower in Melbourne, then hand it over to a corporation who reap the benefits. Hey, it adds a lot to a city!

I can link you to dozens of studies showing sports stadiums to not improve local economies if you like. The evidence is quite clear at this point.

Here is one from Brookings

I'm not against stadiums being built, I just think all the money should come from private investment.

 

[The_Reaper]

From philosophical standpoint, taxpayers don't owe anything to sports teams and or franchise owners. Profit generated from the stadium isn't coming back to us, it's being held privately.

What about government owned stadiums?

 

[Admiral Byng]

Building rail networks such as the Melbourne Metro will also stimulate the economy and benefit millions of people every day. I don't understand your argument.

Part of the rail upgrade plan to service the stadium-city link will also benefit everyday commuter services. Signalling is being upgraded to allow higher frequency of trains over the inner-city portions of the track.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Hospitals redeveloped or built in the past 6 years

Public

Fiona Stanley

Joondalup

Hollywood

Swan districts

Perth childrens hospital

Private

St john of god murdoch

Joondalup



So thats roughly six major hospitals

Then the state govt has already allocating a billion for sir charles and royal perth in 2016. Not to mention expansions metro wide and the new alkimos one

Sick to death of the hospital squealers theres going to be a surplus of beds soon.

We need private investment throughout the city in particular the peinsula need to make it the hub of perth in terms of entertainment and such and it will happen with the govt needing to make back their money via land sales

Agree with this. What is so quickly forgotten about the reason for the stadium delays during the GFC is that the state government was faced with a choice over how spend less revenue. The new Perth Childrens Hospital is the very project that was selected ahead of the stadium at the time.

 

[Martyn_30_]

Building rail networks such as the Melbourne Metro will also stimulate the economy and benefit millions of people every day. I don't understand your argument.

How would it benefit millions of people everyday?

 

[arkie]

How would it benefit millions of people everyday?

Because of the amount of people who will benefit from such infrastructure. It isn't only people who use the service directly that would benefit.

I'll happily talk about this further but I don't want to take this thread off-topic. I was only using it as an example of where public funds are better spent.

 

[brisbane13]

Actually those are legitimate concerns. Same thing has happened in the States in low socio-economic areas have funded NFL stadiums when the money could be spent on other services that more people will benefit from. Instead, a stadium is built and a few people get richer.

AAMI Park was built by tax payers in Victoria, I've been there once. If the Melbourne Metro was built, I would benefit from that every day.

In my view, no stadium should be built with tax payer money. I'm totally against it.

every state needs a venue. a % of tax payers money & money from other areas venues, bring events, local and international events to the state. the show cases the state & city to the world, it brings international visitors & from interstate. & business for Hotels, motels, business around the venue.
Perth needs a new larger venue. the Dockers & Eagles all have long waiting lists for their memberships, play in sold out venues,

over the last 20/30 years the vic government would have to of easily spent nearly a billion dollars on the Melbourne Sports & entrainment precinctareas, because of the number of world class events that it holds & wants to attract, its just in the finishing stages of another 300 odd million up grade.
the money will be recovered in the long term as well as showcasing the city to the World

 

[arkie]

every state needs a venue. a % of tax payers money & money from other areas venues, bring events, local and international events to the state. the show cases the state & city to the world, it brings international visitors & from interstate. & business for Hotels, motels, business around the venue.
Perth needs a new larger venue. the Dockers & Eagles all have long waiting lists for their memberships, play in sold out venues,

over the last 20/30 years the vic government would have to of easily spent nearly a billion dollars on the Melbourne Sports & entrainment precinctareas, because of the number of world class events that it holds & wants to attract, its just in the finishing stages of another 300 odd million up grade.
the money will be recovered in the long term as well as showcasing the city to the World

I'm not comparing Melbourne to Perth, nor am I saying Perth shouldn't get or doesn't need a new stadium. My point is surrounding the idea of public money used to fund sports stadiums. I disagree with that, even in Melbourne. I would be disgusted if money were shifted from Melbourne Metro to say a 3rd AFL stadium.

Most of your argument about how a stadium improves a local economy by bringing in events and visitors isn't true. Most well respected economists will tell you this. It's like when people talk about how a World Cup or Olympics really assists local economies. It's complete rubbish.

I won't win the argument against public funding of sports stadiums on a forum full of sports fans. Basically, I'm taking a more utilitarian approach. There are services or projects where money could be better spent that will benefit MORE people.

 

[brisbane13]

I'm not comparing Melbourne to Perth, nor am I saying Perth shouldn't get or doesn't need a new stadium. My point is surrounding the idea of public money used to fund sports stadiums. I disagree with that, even in Melbourne. I would be disgusted if money were shifted from Melbourne Metro to say a 3rd AFL stadium.

Most of your argument about how a stadium improves a local economy by bringing in events and visitors isn't true. Most well respected economists will tell you this. It's like when people talk about how a World Cup or Olympics really assists local economies. It's complete rubbish.

I won't win the argument against public funding of sports stadiums on a forum full of sports fans. Basically, I'm taking a more utilitarian approach. There are services or projects where money could be better spent that will benefit MORE people.

the olympic and world cups are 1 off events. the MCG, tennis & entertainment complex & Olympic area, weekly year in year out have events held at those venues,, sporting, Musical in many different forms. all generating money, & some placing Melbourne on the world stage, Soccer events, Rugby & Tennis ect....
if that's your view could you explain how or why fed square was built its an ugly peace of &*(&.

perth needs the new stadium, because it will do the same for WA, the Dockers & Eagles will generate millions alone along with other sporting events offices & in the long term it will make money, more than what is cost to build.

ps there is no need for the metro tunnel just yet. engineers still haven't found a way of stopping the yarra from leaking. the metro tunnel cannot be dug to deep as it will run over the city link tunnels & under the train lines from finders st, & plus access to the station, from the ground level cannot be to steep.
again in the long term Melbourne needs the metro, but it will be the next major project after the east west tunnel is built

 

[arkie]

the olympic and world cups are 1 off events. the MCG, tennis & entertainment complex & Olympic area, weekly year in year out have events held at those venues,, sporting, Musical in many different forms. all generating money, & some placing Melbourne on the world stage, Soccer events, Rugby & Tennis ect....
if that's your view could you explain how or why fed square was built its an ugly peace of &*(&.

perth needs the new stadium, because it will do the same for WA, the Dockers & Eagles will generate millions alone along with other sporting events offices & in the long term it will make money, more than what is cost to build.

ps there is no need for the metro tunnel just yet. engineers still haven't found a way of stopping the yarra from leaking. the metro tunnel cannot be dug to deep as it will run over the city link tunnels & under the train lines from finders st, & plus access to the station, from the ground level cannot be to steep.
again in the long term Melbourne needs the metro, but it will be the next major project after the east west tunnel is built

The east-west tunnel is a morally bankrupt project that was used as a means to win votes from constituents in marginal seats. Infrastructure Australia even has Melbourne Metro and WestLink as higher priorities.

I understand Perth needs a new stadium, and yes it will generate millions. Will the public that paid for the stadium ever see a ROI though? You realise not everyone attends sporting events.

Federation Square actually makes money for the state government with a number of the tenants there being government owned. So when public funds are used to build a sports stadium for a team, they sell tickets and make money from it. Where is the benefit to the public that will never visit that stadium?

You keep pointing out how stadiums put us on the world stage and events are held there. I'm not disputing that, I'm disputing the fact that we are using public funds to build these stadiums with no ROI to the public purse. Fund them through private investment.