Peter Gordon explores Swiss appeal and injunction on suspension

[The 747]

true, and they are great points. I'm certainly not suggesting in any way shape or form that any deviation would be government driven. Does it follow that the government would take a punitive approach to any decision made by a governing body though? Particularly one as pervasive through the political class as the AFL?

Responding here to save quoting your long post on a phone; same discussion anyway.

In this hypothetical, I don't think there would be punitive measures. Either the Government would accept the AFL walking away or it wouldn't. If it wasn't accepted the AFL wouldn't be game to defy the government directly IMO.

No government would remove Auskick funding but getting new money (in a scenario where the Govt accepted the walk away from WADA) wouldn't be happening.

I also think you are reading too much into Gills comments, the AFL aren't trustworthy (thanks Balmey) and so what they say is spin anyway. They might "do a review" and "raise some concerns".

 

[Linda Lovelace]

I'll go down any road I feel like, thanks very much. Fact is your club has been synonomous with cheating for decades. Mine has certainly taken that mantle now but it's a bit rich for Carlton supporters of anyone to try and mount a high horse. lol

F*ck there is nothing funnier than a Carlton v Essendon cripple fight in 2016. It's gloriously pathetic.

 

[Kwality]

true, and they are great points. I'm certainly not suggesting in any way shape or form that any deviation would be government driven. Does it follow that the government would take a punitive approach to any decision made by a governing body though? Particularly one as pervasive through the political class as the AFL?

Just distractions by those who want this saga to continue. Its not about to go away & it can be continued by the players, they've done it before ....
The players public standing was diminished by the facts that came out at CAS, more?

 

[Dugdale2Dwyer]

Didn't realise Nick Giannapolis was a Hirdite.

 

[Max Headroom]

Unfortunately they have to translate all the evidence into Swiss to f'n appeal or some bollocks.

At least the Latin stuff will stay the same

 

[ODNBlue]

it's a shame I can't read how you reacted to the Carlton situation at the time

You're right though... salary cap and systematic doping are equivalent.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

If they think they can win an appeal and an appeal is open to them, why the f*ck wouldn't they appeal? Not really understanding all the foaming on this.

But if they get an injunction and then lose, they will waste another year, so it's not like it's an easy decision. And if they don't get an injunction, by the time the case is likely decided their suspension would have almost run its course anyway.

an injunction would be the stupidest idea of all time, even assuming it's even remotely possible. Jesus christ it would be stupid

 

[sherb]

I'll go down any road I feel like, thanks very much. Fact is your club has been synonomous with cheating for decades. Mine has certainly taken that mantle now but it's a bit rich for Carlton supporters of anyone to try and mount a high horse. lol

Bear in mind that you are salary cap cheats as well. And substantial ones at that. You are a supporter of a cheating club as much as you accuse Carlton of being.

You just need to suck up the fact that supporters of all the other clubs can take the high ground as much as they like in relation to the Dons. Including Carlton supporters.

And your anger and frustration should not be directed at the fans in question, it should be directed at the idiots and/or cheats at your club which put you in this unenviable situation in the first place.

Laugh as much as you like Lance, but you are only laughing out of ignorance.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Responding here to save quoting your long post on a phone; same discussion anyway.

In this hypothetical, I don't think there would be punitive measures. Either the Government would accept the AFL walking away or it wouldn't. If it wasn't accepted the AFL wouldn't be game to defy the government directly IMO.

No government would remove Auskick funding but getting new money (in a scenario where the Govt accepted the walk away from WADA) wouldn't be happening.

I also think you are reading too much into Gills comments, the AFL aren't trustworthy (thanks Balmey) and so what they say is spin anyway. They might "do a review" and "raise some concerns".

no doubt, they do love a good review. Or a forensic audit. But I was just surprised because they didn't need to say that at all, in fact quite the opposite

 

[Jimthegreat]

Didn't realise Nick Giannapolis was a Hirdite.

Nick needs a reality check. 3 out of 3 CAS judges found them guilty. Not counting the hand picked lackies at the AFL Tribunal.

it was 2-1 as to whether the "no significant clause" should apply.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Bear in mind that you are salary cap cheats as well. And substantial ones at that. You are a supporter of a cheating club as much as you accuse Carlton of being.

You just need to suck up the fact that supporters of all the other clubs can take the high ground as much as they like in relation to the Dons. Including Carlton supporters.

And your anger and frustration should not be directed at the fans in question, it should be directed at the idiots and/or cheats at your club which put you in this unenviable situation in the first place.

Laugh as much as you like Lance, but you are only laughing out of ignorance.

I couldn't care less how much high roads are travelled on high ground by high horses. I'm just laughing at the hypocrisy of Carlton supporters doing it, that's all

 

[Chameleon75]

true, and they are great points. I'm certainly not suggesting in any way shape or form that any deviation would be government driven. Does it follow that the government would take a punitive approach to any decision made by a governing body though? Particularly one as pervasive through the political class as the AFL?

well look to refugee policy for the answer to that. conventions can be circumvented if sufficient political capital is at stake. but does the afl provide sufficient political capital, when views amongst its supporter base are divided.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

F*ck there is nothing funnier than a Carlton v Essendon cripple fight in 2016. It's gloriously pathetic.

 

[sherb]

I couldn't care less how much high roads are travelled on high ground by high horses. I'm just laughing at the hypocrisy of Carlton supporters doing it, that's all

You're in no position to be laughing at anyone mate. Not even Carlton supporters.

That's the depth of the hole that Essendon has dug itself into.

I think you need to let that sink in. Take your time in doing that.

And then, once that has happened, start taking out your frustrations on those who deserve it, ie the ones who got your club into this mess in the first place. Not people like me, who have every right to be critical.

 

[sherb]

F*ck there is nothing funnier than a Carlton v Essendon cripple fight in 2016. It's gloriously pathetic.

It's fun.

 

[Jimthegreat]

I couldn't care less how much high roads are travelled on high ground by high horses. I'm just laughing at the hypocrisy of Carlton supporters doing it, that's all

A bit of salary cap cheating is way different to dirty drug cheating. One might be paying a bit much to keep an extra player or so, the other is juice with a huge physical advantage all over the ground. Like comparing shop lifting to murder.

Quite happy to call you drug cheats now you've been convicted, even as a Carlton supporter.

Then there is this.

"In 1996, Essendon were fined a record $638,250 ($250,000 in back tax and penalties, $112,000 for draft tampering and $276,250 for breaching the salary cap regulations), forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft and were excluded from the 1997 rookie and pre-season drafts after a joint Australian Tax Office and AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $514,500 between 1991 and 1996."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...await-their-fate/story-e6frf9io-1226515655156

So your club have not only drug cheated but breached the salary cap, tried to cheat the tax department and draft tampered. What a shit club.

We were very loose with the salary cap once upon a time but we have nothing on Essendon. At least we haven't drug cheated, the worst crime in sport. #drugcheats.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Yet you never hear an Essendon support say this .....

Embarrassed?
Most i seen on here were applauding it after the tribunal.
Most knew they doped, but were fine with it.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

If this shambles had happened at Carlton and not Essendon, I would be totally embarrassed.

Maybe Dons supporters need to learn to be able to be critical of their club when required.

What type of insecure loser would get embarrassed by what some people do at the footy club they support?

I've copped plenty of shit about it the last few years, you think it makes me embarrassed?

Get a life - maybe see a therapist.

 

[ODNBlue]

What type of insecure loser would get embarrassed by what some people do at the footy club they support?

I've copped plenty of shit about it the last few years, you think it makes me embarrassed?

Get a life - maybe see a therapist.

You obviously don't care enough...

 

[sherb]

What type of insecure loser would get embarrassed by what some people do at the footy club they support?

I've copped plenty of shit about it the last few years, you think it makes me embarrassed?

Get a life - maybe see a therapist.

You're getting personal.

I think you need to calm down.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Nick needs a reality check. 3 out of 3 CAS judges found them guilty. Not counting the hand picked lackies at the AFL Tribunal.

it was 2-1 as to whether the "no significant clause" should apply.

Thats not true though. One of the CAS judges was not comfortably satisfied about some of the players receiving TB4. For some players it was 2-1 and others 3-0

 

[Bunk Moreland]

You're getting personal.

I think you need to calm down.

Doesn't answer the question - people getting embarrassed by something that happens at their footy club, which they had nothing to do with?

That's pathetic. It's just footy.

"I'm embarrassed to be an ---- supporter"???

Really?

 

[ODNBlue]

Thats not true though. One of the CAS judges was not comfortably satisfied about some of the players receiving TB4. For some players it was 2-1 and others 3-0

It is true. All of the CAS judges were comfortably satisfied that TB4 was used at the club. Secondarily, 2 out of 3 were comfortably satisfied that they'd all taken it.

This does not make it 4-2... it's still 3-3. And CAS don't come with the bias of the AFL 'Tribunal'.

 

[sherb]

Doesn't answer the question - people getting embarrassed by something that happens at their footy club, which they had nothing to do with?

That's pathetic. It's just footy.

"I'm embarrassed to be an ---- supporter"???

Really?

As I said mate, calm down.

I understand your need to take out your frustration on someone, and if it has to be posters on this board, so be it.

I'd actually suggest that you direct your anger at those at your club who have put it in this mess in the first place though.

 

[Armchair Critic]

It is true. All of the CAS judges were comfortably satisfied that TB4 was used at the club. Secondarily, 2 out of 3 were comfortably satisfied that they'd all taken it.

This does not make it 4-2... it's still 3-3. And CAS don't come with the bias of the AFL 'Tribunal'.

I never said it made it 4-2. I pointed out that not all 3 judges were comfortably satisfied for all players which is what was stated in the post I quoted. That is not true