List Mgmt. Pick #5 - Welcome Adam Cerra [Traded to Carlton for 6 & F3]

[Snuffaluphagus]

You clearly don't watch Freo enough if you think Fyfe butchers the ball (unless kicking for goal).

The rest of your post is just foolish - Baker is a role player. If we flip this around you'd be happy trading Bolton for pick 18 and Darcy Tucker?

I'm honestly stunned how anyone could have Baker as ranked 8 from that draft, dude's handy player that Richmond did well finding, but he's no where near the quality of Cerra. AND he's two years older.

Also, my mate shared a house with his Cousin, unfortunately absolutely no chance of Baker coming back

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I'm honestly stunned how anyone could have Baker as ranked 8 from that draft, dude's handy player that Richmond did well finding, but he's no where near the quality of Cerra. AND he's two years older.

Also, my mate shared a house with his Cousin, unfortunately absolutely no chance of Baker coming back

Thanks, was hoping someone here could confirm that for me.

 

[Morro]

Its hilarious how much BF posters on every board overrate their players. Equally as hilarious is the overrating of draft picks. Our board is viewed the same I am sure.

I think we end up with pick 12. On its own its not enough for Cerra, I get that. Pick 12 and say 16, is too much IMO but its probably not too far off that the gap cant be bridged.

If Cerra nominates RFC and only RFC the Freo lose a little leverage in negotiations but can still play hard ball.

Tigers are usually very easy to deal with and wouldnt leave Cerra hanging.

Both clubs end up at a stale mate until 11th hour and meet somewhere in the middle IMO.

Maybe that's Pick 12 and a best 22 player?

Maybe its pick 12 and 22-25?

It 100% wont be 2 x 1st rounders IMO

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

So far he has played the roles of backline distributor, small forward and starting midfielder really well. So I would say he is a quality adaptable player. As I posted, SEN have rated him 8th best from the 2017 draft. Darcy Tucker is a pretty decent player but I don’t see anyone rating him in the top 10 in his draft. I think I can find 20 clearly ahead of him and another 10 at least who you could argue either way. But, you know, if you don’t want Baker, we will happily retain him, he is a jet. . And pick 18 in the strongest draft ever.

God, you just can’t help some people.

Just remember its not your own team board, posting trade suggestions for a player will get you responses that dont agree with you. The snark coming back is not required or advised.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Thanks, was hoping someone here could confirm that for me.

Not sure I was talking to you with this post, or I'd have replied to you specifically

 

[Bring back Drum]

I'm honestly stunned how anyone could have Baker as ranked 8 from that draft, dude's handy player that Richmond did well finding, but he's no where near the quality of Cerra. AND he's two years older.

Also, my mate shared a house with his Cousin, unfortunately absolutely no chance of Baker coming back

Richmond make good players look great because of the system. They are the ultimate role club that everyone else is aspiring too.

 

[fnerd]

It 100% wont be 2 x 1st rounders

And I can guarantee you 100% that you have NFI if they will or won’t

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Richmond make good players look great because of the system. They are the ultimate role club that everyone else is aspiring too.

I think there is a bit nuance in it than that. Good teams make ROLE players look amazing because of the system, they can also rotate new players through the role players position and not lose anything. Good and elite players look good in any team

 

[Morro]

And I can guarantee you 100% that you have NFI it it will or won’t

Yeah cool story champ.

Just close BF then? Get rid of all discussion boards and opinions to? Why so mad?

 

[Morro]

I think there is a bit nuance in it than that. Good teams make ROLE players look amazing because of the system, they can also rotate new players through the role players position and not lose anything. Good and elite players look good in any team

Baker is better than just role player though.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Its hilarious how much BF posters on every board overrate their players. Equally as hilarious is the overrating of draft picks. Our board is viewed the same I am sure.

I think we end up with pick 12. On its own its not enough for Cerra, I get that. Pick 12 and say 16, is too much IMO but its probably not too far off that the gap cant be bridged.

If Cerra nominates RFC and only RFC the Freo lose a little leverage in negotiations but can still play hard ball.

Tigers are usually very easy to deal with and wouldnt leave Cerra hanging.

Both clubs end up at a stale mate until 11th hour and meet somewhere in the middle IMO.

Maybe that's Pick 12 and a best 22 player?

Maybe its pick 12 and 22-25?

It 100% wont be 2 x 1st rounders IMO

That's fine, IMO, if Cerra went to you, it would absolutely be your two two first round picks this year, as they are going to both be pick 13 or worse. Lets be honest, its not going to be pick 12 and 16 once finals are done with

 

[Morro]

That's fine, IMO, if Cerra went to you, it would absolutely be your two two first round picks this year, as they are going to both be pick 13 or worse. Lets be honest, its not going to be pick 12 and 16 once finals are done with

I hope you are right, and clearly that would change things, but I think we finish 7/8th and Cats not much better.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Just remember its not your own team board, posting trade suggestions for a player will get you responses that dont agree with you. The snark coming back is not required or advised.

My original suggestion was a genuine discussion of what I think would be:

a) a fair type of deal for Cerra, and
b) the type of player who I think would improve your team.

I really like Freo’s team by and large, I just think with some better ball use heading inside 50 you would really benefit. Baker is just someone from our club I thought of who might help in that area. Also, I think if I was Freo I wouldn’t want just draft picks for Cerra, I would want maybe a pick and definitely an established best 22 player who can use the ball going inside 50.

 

[Paracleet]

Oppo supporters coming on to argue their spuds are better and therefor we should accept one along with a second rounder and a slap in the belly with a wet fish in trade for >insert high draft pick young player now producing< should not just be thread banned but launched into the sun.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

My original suggestion was a genuine discussion of what I think would be:

a) a fair type of deal for Cerra, and
b) the type of player who I think would improve your team.

I really like Freo’s team by and large, I just think with some better ball use heading inside 50 you would really benefit. Baker is just someone from our club I thought of who might help in that area. Also, I think if I was Freo I wouldn’t want just draft picks for Cerra, I would want maybe a pick and definitely an established best 22 player who can use the ball going inside 50.

I have no issue with your original post, I even think your trade is ok (Baker is a type your own supporters are going to LOVE and other supporters think are role players though).

 

[Alfonz]

Its hilarious how much BF posters on every board overrate their players. Equally as hilarious is the overrating of draft picks. Our board is viewed the same I am sure.

I think we end up with pick 12. On its own its not enough for Cerra, I get that. Pick 12 and say 16, is too much IMO but its probably not too far off that the gap cant be bridged.

If Cerra nominates RFC and only RFC the Freo lose a little leverage in negotiations but can still play hard ball.

Tigers are usually very easy to deal with and wouldnt leave Cerra hanging.

Both clubs end up at a stale mate until 11th hour and meet somewhere in the middle IMO.

Maybe that's Pick 12 and a best 22 player?

Maybe its pick 12 and 22-25?

It 100% wont be 2 x 1st rounders IMO

Pick 12? I think Richmond will still win the flag if they have all their players fit. Even if they are outside top 4. Maybe WC 6th at full strength and Richmond 7th would be a problem. But I don't think any other matchup would bring Richmond undone when it counts.

Leaves those 2 x firsts as something like 16 (tied to Geelong) and 18. Points system that is equivalent to pick 4. And similar to 12 + 22-25.

"2 x 1st rounders" is very vague as it depends on where Richmond finish. If Richmond have two late first rounders, then I suspect you would have to part with both if Bolton is staying put.

 

[Morro]

Pick 12? I think Richmond will still win the flag if they have all their players fit. Even if they are outside top 4. Maybe WC 6th at full strength and Richmond 7th would be a problem. But I don't think any other matchup would bring Richmond undone when it counts.

Leaves those 2 x firsts as something like 16 (tied to Geelong) and 18. Points system that is equivalent to pick 4. And similar to 12 + 22-25.

"2 x 1st rounders" is very vague as it depends on where Richmond finish. If Richmond have two late first rounders, then I suspect you would have to part with both if Bolton is staying put.

Yeah fair point, if you are correct on where we and the Cats finish, then you are probably correct.

I dont think we go deep in finals and not even 100% sure we make it. I also dont rate the cats who just keep finding ways to win

 

[freo_leo29]

We would want a return on investment for Cerra so a top 5 pick is the starting point

Look at the Weller trade, Neale trade, hill trade. All 3 tried to trade lower picks to us but ended up either having to buy their way into a higher pick or give up an already owned one.

I can't see this being done with Richmond, they just don't have the currency without trading any stars and there is no threat of PSD as North would pounce

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Pick 12? I think Richmond will still win the flag if they have all their players fit. Even if they are outside top 4. Maybe WC 6th at full strength and Richmond 7th would be a problem. But I don't think any other matchup would bring Richmond undone when it counts.

Leaves those 2 x firsts as something like 16 (tied to Geelong) and 18. Points system that is equivalent to pick 4. And similar to 12 + 22-25.

"2 x 1st rounders" is very vague as it depends on where Richmond finish. If Richmond have two late first rounders, then I suspect you would have to part with both if Bolton is staying put.

I think that is about right what you have written about the value of the picks. Also, picks in the points system amounting to pick 4 value may not in fact be as valuable as pick 4 itself. But roughly speaking, two late first round picks for Cerra is about right.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

So far he has played the roles of backline distributor, small forward and starting midfielder really well. So I would say he is a quality adaptable player. As I posted, SEN have rated him 8th best from the 2017 draft. Darcy Tucker is a pretty decent player but I don’t see anyone rating him in the top 10 in his draft. I think I can find 20 clearly ahead of him and another 10 at least who you could argue either way. But, you know, if you don’t want Baker, we will happily retain him, he is a jet. . And pick 18 in the strongest draft ever.

God, you just can’t help some people.

If we want to use SEN as some sort of metric (I really don't) they've also rated 16 other players equal to or better than him based on performance this year thus far.

Keep Baker, keep pick 18 and we keep Cerra. Everyone is happy.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

We would want a return on investment for Cerra so a top 5 pick is the starting point

Look at the Weller trade, Neale trade, hill trade. All 3 tried to trade lower picks to us but ended up either having to buy their way into a higher pick or give up an already owned one.

I can't see this being done with Richmond, they just don't have the currency without trading any stars and there is no threat of PSD as North would pounce

If he chooses to go, it will unfortunately come down to whatever picks the team he nominates has. Richmond have more than enough picks available to get a trade done that a trade would occur, we cant hold him here if asks to go

 

[ilikepotatoes]

If he chooses to go, it will unfortunately come down to whatever picks the team he nominates has. Richmond have more than enough picks available to get a trade done that a trade would occur, we cant hold him here if asks to go

Then he gets picked up by us or another club in the preseason draft before they get a chance at him.

We only have to settle if a club below us on the ladder wants him.

 

[Van_Dyke]

we cant hold him here if asks to go

would provide some excellent content however

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I have no issue with your original post, I even think your trade is ok (Baker is a type your own supporters are going to LOVE and other supporters think are role players though).

Baker finished 6th in our B & F last year in a Premiership year and is currently 186th ranked AFL player at AFL Stats Pro. So he is roughly rated around 9th-11th best in an average AFL team. At 23 years of age I think that makes him more valuable than what is euphemistically known as a role player.

Baker is probably no realistic chance, but this is the sort of thing I would be looking for in return for Cerra if I were Freo. A good pick and a good player.

 

[Rob]

So happy we went for the Melbourne kid ahead of Naughton.

I'd rather let him walk to the PSD than get screwed in a trade. It's time to take a stand. If Cerra doesn't like it he can spend the next 5 years with North on the bottom of the ladder.