Pierre Poilievre: The most dangerous impact since Trumpism

[CM86]

Pierre Poilievre will most likely be the next Canadian Prime minister.

The intelligence, depth and understanding he conveys on issues that he is lying about, hasn't been seen since the early stages of Banon.


Trump is faltering, and Poilievre is going to be the next darling of the 'alt-right'. He will never be MAGA level, but he will shadow Farage and Milei like they never existed.
Musk will struggle with him.
Even 'leftists' will support him for his 'approach to economics'. Purely for his base level understandings.
He will make Canada an example of good vs bad. And a more common topic of conversation in Australia.

 

[spike101]

Pierre Poilievre will most likely be the next Canadian Prime minister.

The intelligence, depth and understanding he conveys on issues that he is lying about, hasn't been seen since the early stages of Banon.


Trump is faltering, and Poilievre is going to be the next darling of the 'alt-right'. He will never be MAGA level, but he will shadow Farage and Milei like they never existed.
Musk will struggle with him.
Even 'leftists' will support him for his 'approach to economics'. Purely for his base level understandings.
He will make Canada an example of good vs bad. And a more common topic of conversation in Australia.

What’s he lying about?

 

[CM86]

What’s he lying about?

Thanks for asking.

 

[spinynorman]

Pierre Poilievre will most likely be the next Canadian Prime minister.

The intelligence, depth and understanding he conveys on issues that he is lying about, hasn't been seen since the early stages of Banon.


Trump is faltering, and Poilievre is going to be the next darling of the 'alt-right'. He will never be MAGA level, but he will shadow Farage and Milei like they never existed.
Musk will struggle with him.
Even 'leftists' will support him for his 'approach to economics'. Purely for his base level understandings.
He will make Canada an example of good vs bad. And a more common topic of conversation in Australia.

I’m curious why you think he’s so much a threat and so likely to be embraced by the alt-right?

He seems to me a bog standard conservative (albeit on the right wing of that) - which is a terrible thing too, don’t get me wrong, but as a 20+ year parliamentarian who was endorsed by his party’s previous Prime Minister, I don’t think he’s a break from the past.

Happy to be corrected but he seems in line with Dutton. Again, an awful thing, but I’m curious why you see him as worse than Milei or Farage (or, though they’ll unlikely win, the AfD will do well in the coming election, and then Le Pen in France etc)?

I also don’t see him getting support from leftists, given his “approach to economics” is pretty zealous neoliberalism, with an embrace of deregulation, tax cuts and privatisation. He’s also going to tack right on environmentalism. Given the Left have working options outside the big two parties in Canada (and the NDP are threatening to push the Liberals into third place), I don’t see it likely he’ll be winning many over.

He has, though, seemingly won over swing voters, which seems more a rejection of Trudeau than anything. He has had the discipline to generally suppress his most divisive beliefs (he reminds me of Dominic Perrottet in that regard), which I think stopped Canadians from going Conservative in the last two elections despite their discontent with Trudeau.

 

[CM86]

I’m curious why you think he’s so much a threat and so likely to be embraced by the alt-right?

He seems to me a bog standard conservative (albeit on the right wing of that) - which is a terrible thing too, don’t get me wrong, but as a 20+ year parliamentarian who was endorsed by his party’s previous Prime Minister, I don’t think he’s a break from the past.

Happy to be corrected but he seems in line with Dutton. Again, an awful thing, but I’m curious why you see him as worse than Milei or Farage (or, though they’ll unlikely win, the AfD will do well in the coming election, and then Le Pen in France etc)?

I also don’t see him getting support from leftists, given his “approach to economics” is pretty zealous neoliberalism, with an embrace of deregulation, tax cuts and privatisation. He’s also going to tack right on environmentalism. Given the Left have working options outside the big two parties in Canada (and the NDP are threatening to push the Liberals into third place), I don’t see it likely he’ll be winning many over.

He has, though, seemingly won over swing voters, which seems more a rejection of Trudeau than anything. He has had the discipline to generally suppress his most divisive beliefs (he reminds me of Dominic Perrottet in that regard), which I think stopped Canadians from going Conservative in the last two elections despite their discontent with Trudeau.

Good questions, thanks.

I don't see him as 'worse' than Milei or Farage in general.

Trump is faltering, and Poilievre is going to be the next darling of the 'alt-right'. He will never be MAGA level, but he will shadow Farage and Milei like they never existed.

I'd argue that Farage is worse than Trump in many ways.

Bannon I believe is one of the worst people in general, in terms of being dangerous.


Poilievre will get a lot of support for his 'working class against the ultra-wealthy' populism. As he blames 'socialism' for inflation, debt, cost of living etc etc.
This will also appeal to 'left' people, who want to help the working class and oppose the 1%.

 

[spike101]

Thanks for asking.

i presume you have no evidence of the lies and you are just trolling

 

[Pralaya]

Part of Poilievre's appeal is his 'anti-establishment' stance, but his economic policies may be too much of a hard sell for people wanting real change. He throws his support behind working class, but his right wing leanings may turn them over in the end.

 

[CM86]

i presume you have no evidence of the lies and you are just trolling

No. I just didn't think there was any point, as you don't actually care about the issues.

I've made the assumption that you support Poilievre.
And that in the same way people like you would always claim a lie from Trump isn't a lie, you'd do the same here.

It doesn't matter what example I give you, you will say it isn't a lie.

You don't have a base level understanding of this stuff, and you're too ignorant and apathetic to learn. You view it as 'if he said it, it isn't a lie'.

I could make something up, and your impulse would be to defend it in some way.

If I told you he said "All the Socialist policies in practice redistribute from the working class to the super wealthy". Your response will either be "where's the lie?" or "Is he wrong?".

 

[spike101]

No. I just didn't think there was any point, as you don't actually care about the issues.

I've made the assumption that you support Poilievre.
And that in the same way people like you would always claim a lie from Trump isn't a lie, you'd do the same here.

It doesn't matter what example I give you, you will say it isn't a lie.

You don't have a base level understanding of this stuff, and you're too ignorant and apathetic to learn. You view it as 'if he said it, it isn't a lie'.

I could make something up, and your impulse would be to defend it in some way.

If I told you he said "All the Socialist policies in practice redistribute from the working class to the super wealthy". Your response will either be "where's the lie?" or "Is he wrong?".

I suspect you support the following, in no particular order Assad, Khamenei,Kim Jong, Putin,Hamas and Maduro. Given your number of posts, you are probably a Labor public servant “working from home” or on the dole as you obviously have a lot of spare time on your hands spouting drivel?

 

[CM86]

No. I just didn't think there was any point, as you don't actually care about the issues.

I suspect you support the following, in no particular order Assad, Khamenei,Kim Jong, Putin,Hamas and Maduro. Given your number of posts, you are probably a Labor public servant “working from home” or on the dole as you obviously have a lot of spare time on your hands spouting drivel?

So, I replied, and this was your response.

What part of me ignoring your meaningless question was I wrong about?

 

[spike101]

So, I replied, and this was your response.

What part of me ignoring your meaningless question was I wrong about?

You provide no evidence of lying by Pierre Poilievre. Equally I could write that Albanese is a liar, and Chalmers and Wong without providing any evidence; do you think that is morally correct??

 

[Chicken Treat]

This video shows a good reason why he's able to woo majority voters into considering voting for him

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

This video shows a good reason why he's able to woo majority voters into considering voting for him

I didn’t have time to watch much of it but it felt very churchy to me, which I personally find a big turnoff.

But obviously I don’t decide who the next Canadian PM will be, so the question is whether that is going to appeal to a majority of Canucks. They are not the US.

Second thing is if he’s truly a “traditional conservative” as Samaras (who’s someone who seems to have his head screwed on right) says he is, that’s really not such a bad thing.

It’s these radical RWNJs calling themselves “conservatives” who are doing so much damage to our world. A traditional conservative right next door to the Trump madhouse might be a really good thing.

But I admit I knew nothing about the guy before last week.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Second thing is if he’s truly a “traditional conservative” as Samaras (who’s someone who seems to have his head screwed on right) says he is, that’s really not such a bad thing.

 

[Deliverance]

I suspect you support the following, in no particular order Assad, Khamenei,Kim Jong, Putin,Hamas and Maduro. Given your number of posts, you are probably a Labor public servant “working from home” or on the dole as you obviously have a lot of spare time on your hands spouting drivel?

Replace Hamas with Netanyahu is a better fit.

 

[casper_jbfc]

Pierre Poilievre will most likely be the next Canadian Prime minister.

The intelligence, depth and understanding he conveys on issues that he is lying about, hasn't been seen since the early stages of Banon.


Trump is faltering, and Poilievre is going to be the next darling of the 'alt-right'. He will never be MAGA level, but he will shadow Farage and Milei like they never existed.
Musk will struggle with him.
Even 'leftists' will support him for his 'approach to economics'. Purely for his base level understandings.
He will make Canada an example of good vs bad. And a more common topic of conversation in Australia.

lol

 

[Fire]

Replace Hamas with Netanyahu is a better fit.

a better fit for the accusation or the individual?
If its the accusation, then no absolutley not. They are obviously being accused of being a tankie, who automatically takes the side against the US regardless of merit.

If its the individual then I have no input, I don't know any of you.

 

[Deliverance]

a better fit for the accusation or the individual?
If its the accusation, then no absolutley not. They are obviously being accused of being a tankie, who automatically takes the side against the US regardless of merit.

If its the individual then I have no input, I don't know any of you.

I was just saying that Bibi is like those other leaders in some ways.

 

[Osho]

Have a look at this switch in polls between libs and cons.

Liberals top Tories for 1st time in years, new Ipsos polling says | Globalnews.ca

The polling numbers mark the first time in recent years that an Ipsos poll showed federal Liberals ahead of the Conservatives, erasing a big deficit seen just six weeks ago.

globalnews.ca

And some commentary on those polls.

 

[Fire]

Have a look at this switch in polls between libs and cons.

Liberals top Tories for 1st time in years, new Ipsos polling says | Globalnews.ca

The polling numbers mark the first time in recent years that an Ipsos poll showed federal Liberals ahead of the Conservatives, erasing a big deficit seen just six weeks ago.

globalnews.ca

And some commentary on those polls.

God I hope this happens in Aus. Dutton has gone all in on Trump which is a serious threat.

 

[Osho]

God I hope this happens in Aus. Dutton has gone all in on Trump which is a serious threat.

Dutton is an amoeba, a gift to the left.
Is the Left competent to exploit it? Can it reclaim its proper mission? It really is up to the left.

 

[Fire]

Dutton is an amoeba, a gift to the left.
Is the Left competent to exploit it? Can it reclaim its proper mission? It really is up to the left.

I honestly don't know who you are referring to by 'the left' in an Australian context. I'm assuming you mean more than the ALP?

 

[Osho]

I honestly don't know who you are referring to by 'the left' in an Australian context. I'm assuming you mean more than the ALP?

A perfect example of the left having lost its way, we can no longer identify it.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Dutton is an amoeba, a gift to the left.
Is the Left competent to exploit it? Can it reclaim its proper mission? It really is up to the left.

Of course not. The so-called "centre-left" aren't competent enough to exploit it in pretty much any wealthy nation. The Canadian Liberals have only turned it around due to Trump making threats and Trudeau finally trudging off. Labor haven't convinced Albanese to do the same and can't roll him the way they used to be able to.

 

[Fire]

A perfect example of the left having lost its way, we can no longer identify it.

You're coming accross as a mindless culture warrior importing your lines from the US.

Are 'the left' the greens? That's the only party I can see mapping to the term.

But I'm assuming you mean the ALP as they are the main opposition. But the ALP have a number of more conservative factions that cannot really be called 'left'. They are after all a party of unions, largely comprised from working class males who you would not reasonably associate with 'the left'. Socially they could be from anywhere on the political map.

Are the teals 'the left'? Because they'll be using this angle of attack too. But they are economic conservatives, and split from our main right wing party.

Before the liberals party purged their wet factions, they were half what are now teals. Were the likes of Turnbull, Costello and Hewson 'the Left'?

It's a pretty meaninless term. 'The left' can not have 'lost their way' because its never been an institutionally adopted political identity. You're not actually saying anything.