Players that you've always considered "overrated"

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I'll throw forth a name: Wilt Chamberlain.

Wilt's statistical domination is well known: 100 points in a single game, 50 points per game in his amazing 1961/62 season. Nevertheless, I have for a long time thought that Wilt's career is overrated. Young fans will often speak in amazement at his numbers and ponder how anyone could be viewed as a better player given his statistical superiority. However, in my view his statistical domination is simply an illusion of the times in which he played. Let me explain.

If any of us were transported back to the 1960s the game of basketball would bear little resemblence to the game we know today. For years, fans and commentators applauded the Phoenix Suns for their 'seven seconds or less' offense but by the standards of 1961/62 those Suns teams would have been the slowest team in the league. Basketball for much of the 1960s was played at a pace that is today normally reserved for an All Star game. Statistically some players benefited massively from this and nobody moreso than Wilt Chamberlain.

Wilt's 1961/62 Warriors averaged almost 112 shots per game. To put that in perspective, in 2010/11 (the most recent full season) the average number of shots per game for each team was 81 shots - a difference of 31 shots per game. Consequently the average score for the Warriors was much higher in 1961/62 compared with the 2010/11 league average at 125.4 ppgs versus 99.6 points per game. The way the game was played then offered the perfect circumstances for inflated statistics and Wilt was not the only person to benefit - 1961/62 is, of course, the season that Oscar Robertson averaged his triple-double across the season.

So how impressive is Wilt's magical season in reality? Well he averaged 50.4 ppg, playing practically ever minute of every game, in a team that averaged 112 shots per game. The obvious comparison should be made against the greatest non-Wilt scoring season, which was Michael Jordan in 1986/87 when he averaged 37.1 ppg to become just the second player to score 3000 points in a season. Jordan averaged 37.1 ppg on a team that averaged 87 shots per game. However, Jordan 'only' played 40 minutes per game and so the team shot roughly 73 times while Jordan was on the court. If Wilt was playing at that slower pace, but still playing 48 minutes per game, he would have averaged 39.4 ppg. The difference is still over 2 points per game but that is largely due to the difference in minutes played - if Wilt was playing around 40 minutes per game, which would be far more normal in the 80s, he would have averaged around 33 points per game. Averaging 33 points per game is obviously outstanding but does not separate itself from other excellent scoring seasons by a variety of players. (By extension, if Jordan played every minute at the 1961/62 pace while scoring at his 1986/87 rate he would have averaged around 57 points per game).

The reality is that Wilt should never be regarded as the greatest player in the game and given how quickly his statical edge comes back to the pack when adjusted for pace and it becomes quickly evidence that he probably belongs near the bottom of a top 10 list. This is particularly true when you consider that his production fell sharply in the post-season when most of the greatest players excelled. Not to mention the quality of talent was incredibly low during the 1960s given the league was pre-dominantly white.

Obviously this type of simple analysis could be applied to other players from the 1960s. For this reason, I firmly believe that several players have had better 'all-round' seasons that Oscar Robertson's triple double season, including Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan and LeBron James. In addition, Kobe Bryant's 81 points is likely the most impressive single game scoring feat. For more, see: http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1423.
 
Sorry for all the spamming... but my overrated guy goes to Reggie Miller.

He rolls around on tv with Barkley, Shaq etc and is a HOFer so everyone thinks he was this legend. Reggie wasnt. He was a great clutch shooter, great shooter overall. That is pretty much it. Couldnt rebound or pass the ball. Despite being a great shooter, wasnt actually a great scorer, was average to poor on the defensive end.

Hugely overrated.

He was incredibly clever for starting a war with the Knicks and NY. By choosing the biggest audience in the country he became infamous as the villian. But Reggie loved it and it made his legend a lot larger. He did great things for Indiana by putting them on the basketball map. They remained contenders for years, but could never quite get over the line. One of the last one-team players. An Icon.
 
A lot of if's about Wilt stats, yet if its so easy why did no one else do it? Fact was he was ahead of his time and extremely dominant. He lead the league in assists one year just because he could. No one is claiming he's the greatest ever but he's worthy of his spot in the very top echelon.
 

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He was incredibly clever for starting a war with the Knicks and NY. By choosing the biggest audience in the country he became infamous as the villian. But Reggie loved it and it made his legend a lot larger. He did great things for Indiana by putting them on the basketball map. They remained contenders for years, but could never quite get over the line. One of the last one-team players. An Icon.
An icon?? A great player in Indiana Pacers history. One of the all time great shooters in league history. All round great player. Not so much.
 
A lot of if's about Wilt stats, yet if its so easy why did no one else do it? Fact was he was ahead of his time and extremely dominant. He lead the league in assists one year just because he could. No one is claiming he's the greatest ever but he's worthy of his spot in the very top echelon.

Well nobody can get those numbers these days because every game isn't played like the All-Star game. Adjust for pace and plenty of basketballers have had Wilt-like numbers for points or rebounds. Put another way, how many points do you think Kevin Durant would average if he played every minute of every game and each game was like an All-Star game? Under those circumstances there is several players throughout history who could have averaged over 50 points per game and many who averaged over 40 points per game simply because shooting and scoring is so much more efficient now compared with the 1960s. The same is true for Wilt's rebounding numbers (there was an average of 124 missed shots per game in 1961/62 compared with 88 in 2010/11).

Wilt was a great player and I firmly believe he belongs in the top 10 (although towards the bottom of the top 10). Nevertheless, his stature has benefited more than most because of how the game was played during his career and the fact that the NBA was a predominantly white league. The reality is he was no more dominant than a number of other centres including Shaq, Olajuwon, Robinson and Malone.

Anyway, I don't really expect everyone to agree with me but its some food for thought.
 
Well nobody can get those numbers these days because every game isn't played like the All-Star game. Adjust for pace and plenty of basketballers have had Wilt-like numbers for points or rebounds. Put another way, how many points do you think Kevin Durant would average if he played every minute of every game and each game was like an All-Star game? Under those circumstances there is several players throughout history who could have averaged over 50 points per game and many who averaged over 40 points per game simply because shooting and scoring is so much more efficient now compared with the 1960s. The same is true for Wilt's rebounding numbers (there was an average of 124 missed shots per game in 1961/62 compared with 88 in 2010/11).

Wilt was a great player and I firmly believe he belongs in the top 10 (although towards the bottom of the top 10). Nevertheless, his stature has benefited more than most because of how the game was played during his career and the fact that the NBA was a predominantly white league. The reality is he was no more dominant than a number of other centres including Shaq, Olajuwon, Robinson and Malone.

Anyway, I don't really expect everyone to agree with me but its some food for thought.
who else in Wilts era scored 50 a game? It's all relative, he smashed it out and if it was so easy why weren't other doing it? He had his issues as a teammate and arguments can be made he was more interested in his own stats then winning, but he was a basketball god amongst men.
 
An icon?? A great player in Indiana Pacers history. One of the all time great shooters in league history. All round great player. Not so much.

Like it or lump it, people that know little about basketball still know who Reggie Miller was/is. He was an Icon as much for his mouth and his battles with Spike Lee, than for his basketball, but still an Icon non the less.
 
Like it or lump it, people that know little about basketball still know who Reggie Miller was/is. He was an Icon as much for his mouth and his battles with Spike Lee, than for his basketball, but still an Icon non the less.
Fair enough. But being an icon doesnt make him a great basketball player. Definitely overrated IMO.
 
Fair enough. But being an icon doesnt make him a great basketball player. Definitely overrated IMO.

Then we're in agreement. :)
 

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