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Don't confuse the ol' boy . He thinks Australia invented nrl and rl is
spreading around the world due to the efforts of the nrl .
Expansion Playing professional football overseas
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Don't confuse the ol' boy . He thinks Australia invented nrl and rl is
spreading around the world due to the efforts of the nrl .
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- #52
There is, there is an echo in here.
I wonder what it wants?
Never believe an echo, they lie.
It's back, I'm starting to feel a bit worried, the more noise it makes, the more it sounds insane
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Yeah, OK. You know exactly what I meant.
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- #54
Well Auckland is overseas and they are part of the NRL.
But if you want, I can tell you of at least 10 countries that have started playing Rugby League because they got it from Australians.
And you are right, none of these play in the NRL, but a lot of their players do
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Samoa
Tonga
Fiji
Cook Islands
Lebanon
New Caledonia
Niue
Norfolk Island
Tokelau
- Apr 16, 2008
- 6,618
- 8,341
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- PHX
Yes. I know. Well done to you.Well Auckland is overseas and they are part of the NRL.
As I said, you know what I meant.
I think that you will find that what most football fans care about is
1. That the quality of footy continues to improve
2. Their club does well.
Sure, it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling for about 10 seconds to know that they are playing AR in Nauru, but it is not something I worry about.
And it doesn't worry me top AR players do not want to leave the country and play OS.
What I am happy about is that I can watch the greatest game in the world in the best stadiums (or 4 games on FTA TV) with the best atmosphere.
Thankfully, for AR fans, that will never change.
1. That the quality of footy continues to improve
2. Their club does well.
Sure, it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling for about 10 seconds to know that they are playing AR in Nauru, but it is not something I worry about.
And it doesn't worry me top AR players do not want to leave the country and play OS.
What I am happy about is that I can watch the greatest game in the world in the best stadiums (or 4 games on FTA TV) with the best atmosphere.
Thankfully, for AR fans, that will never change.
Also the fact that the natives in these places like RL: -
PNG
Samoa
Tonga
Fiji
Cook Islands
Lebanon
New Caledonia
Niue
Norfolk Island
Tokelau
(are these really all countries?)
and even UK, France, USA, wherever!
Is not that important to me.
I live in Australia.
I am glad I follow the greatest sport in Australia.
RL has three great days on its worldwide calender (SOO) but the AFL has games every week (on average) with the same crowds, passion and intensity.
BTW, I am glad SOO is no longer part of the AFL fixture. The fact that is works so well is one of the reasons the regular NRL club season lacks crowds, passion and great games.
PNG
Samoa
Tonga
Fiji
Cook Islands
Lebanon
New Caledonia
Niue
Norfolk Island
Tokelau
(are these really all countries?)
and even UK, France, USA, wherever!
Is not that important to me.
I live in Australia.
I am glad I follow the greatest sport in Australia.
RL has three great days on its worldwide calender (SOO) but the AFL has games every week (on average) with the same crowds, passion and intensity.
BTW, I am glad SOO is no longer part of the AFL fixture. The fact that is works so well is one of the reasons the regular NRL club season lacks crowds, passion and great games.
catters05
Norm Smith Medallist
But the're at the top of table now
and have had premierships past .
I mean the crowds and corporate dollars with the new stadium. Sorry.
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I don't subscribe to the theory that build the stadium and they will come .
The storm has already had sufficient success but still in the 10k region .
Similarly I don't see why there'll be a leap in corporate support .
have they no corporate boxes at OP now ?
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Cos, they will come. Just look at the differences in crowds between the much loved MCG and the nuch dispised Dome.
The Dogs drew nearly as many to their game at MCG V Lions as at the Dome V the Pies.
The Storm's crowds will increase. Olympic park is a hole -barely fit for school sports and not suited at all . If the 'G is a 10 and TD a 5, OP is a 1. As a comparison Princes Park would still be a 3.
I go to about 1 Storm game a year at OP, but will be keen to get to a few more once the new stadium is up.
The Dogs drew nearly as many to their game at MCG V Lions as at the Dome V the Pies.
The Storm's crowds will increase. Olympic park is a hole -barely fit for school sports and not suited at all . If the 'G is a 10 and TD a 5, OP is a 1. As a comparison Princes Park would still be a 3.
I go to about 1 Storm game a year at OP, but will be keen to get to a few more once the new stadium is up.
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I know little about the MCG / Dome debate , but I know there are many issues involved there . Isn't the Dome in theory a better place to
watch football from ?
I subscrube to the theory that if a sport is popular spectators will overlook
their surroundings to a large degree . In Australian Football , they do and they've had to for a long time in the past . Yes , plush surroundings will
encourage some people to go a little more often but that's hardly the
basis for sound growth .
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Benigro
Draftee
Footy is Australian rules, Grid iron is American Football, Soccer is only known as soccer in either Australia or America. Anywhere else in the world its football...or Association football as the official term is called.
As for comparing Sydney Swans with Chelsea, AC Milan, Bayern Munic, Ajax or about 50 other clubs....Sydney Swans or any AFL club would love to have a tenth of thier budgets.
Just take a small European club as Ajax Amsterdam. Small but with a fenomenal pedigree....their stadium for the home games are sold out with season ticket holders. Thats 55,000 per home game. Not to mention their youth programme where every year on thier open day 400 kids try to make it in the club. Of the 200 they take on a year maybe 4 will make it to the main squad. Another 20 to 40 will be sold for even money or at a profit. In anycase the national competition at any level profits. Further more they have an amature section thats is around a further 10 teams per playing day (saturday team or sunday team) and about a 6 youth teams per age level playing at various levels...both regional and national level. The youth also take part in the large number of European and international youth tournemants. The education is not only in football (soccer) but intale a close communication with thier respective schools and if the performance there is not up to standard they may not be allowed to play until it is. in the worst case they could expelled
Dennis Bergkamp made 72 million in his career
Huntelaar at present is regarded at 30 million for the sell
Cruyf, van de Sar, van Basten, Rijkaard, Davids, Winter, Seedorf and the list goes on...all 50 plus million euro earners in thier carreers. And I am still talking about Ajax that produced most of these players and has a budget close to around 50 million euros a year. Chelsea is close to 100 million. Manchester makes around 230 million a year, Bayern has the biggest fanbase of any soccer club in the world and makes around 200 million. Barcelona, Real Madrid....many of these clubs dwarf the AFL clubs. Torres...spanish player could be sold for 60 million euro's. Gomes the PSV goalkeeper...sold for 30 plus million.
I love footy to death....but as a top amature football (soccer) player I made a mediocre 20,000 euro's a year in Holland. A player in the first division (the lower pro division) in Holland would do about 70,000 to 500,000 a year.
On any given saturday and sunday Holland has more than 300.000 soccer players playing at various levels...from serious to beer teams. (the teams that just play but have no capabilities what so ever).
The club I play for is a small Amsterdam soccer club with 700 playing members....350 of them youths up to the age of 16. 80 girl players. I am the goalkeeper trainer for the youths and have about 45 goalkeepers to learn the trade to. Football in Holland is first and foremost a social gathering. We train the youths and if they get scouted and leave for Ajax or any other club our club gets a % of the take as a gesture for the programme. And yes, Holland has only 14 million residents.
Comparing the Swans to Chelsea or AC Milan is like comparing our dutch footy team to North Melbourne. You sure you havent been to a coffeshop in Amsterdam recently??
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- #63
There are more countries than that call it soccer .
Most people around the world know and a lot use the term "soccer".
e.g. soccer hooligans .
Benigro
Draftee
That is the term in countries where soccer is not the number one sport...In 95% of the other cases football is the term.
The South American countries, European countries, Engeland, Wales, Scotland, Ireland...however the following.......
The Australian national football team represents Australia in international association football competitions. Its official nickname is "the Socceroos". The team is controlled by Football Federation Australia (FFA), which is currently a member of the Asian Football Confederation and has had an invitation to join the ASEAN Football Federation since 2006 (Australia's Youth teams play in the ASEAN Youth Tournments). Australia is a four time Oceania Football Confederation champion and has been represented at two World Cup finals tournaments, in 1974 and 2006.The Australian National Football team is currently ranked 40th by FIFA, and 33rd by the Elo Ratings.
By there own admission...a lot of calling themselves football as opposed to soccer......but....the name of the code, soccer, association football ect...had nothing to do with the point I was making.
What hooligans had to do with it even less.
I call it football...I live in the Netherlands at present. Australian Rules Football I called either aussie rules or footy. The rest of the world know it as Australian Rules Football...I just wish Aussie rules had the same amount of popularity as Football has.....oeps....soccer. Shame.
Do you reckon if more people understood the rules in countries such as Holland that more people would pick up the game?
Benigro
Draftee
Knowing the rules isnt really the problem. Those could be taught whilst playing the game, or during practise. It's getting everybody weary of the game. When skychannel was on the regular cable australian football was on every week....but a year later they stopped the programming and when behind the decoder. So the interest faded just as fast as it grew...this was in the early 80's The BBC had cricket only nearly everyday and that delivered an awareness and interest in the game. Cricketclubs in the Netherlands grew, until the BBC lost their contact to sky...and once again everything went behind a decoder. Now cricket is struggling. Seeing the game on the tube is probably the most positive a game can have happen to itself. The other problem is space. In Europe there isnt a lot of it...and to accommedate the big footy ground you would need at least 2 to three football grounds. (Soccer) But soccer being ever so popular the grounds are fenced with billboards on them so to find a ground or grounds is a hassle. The ground where the future Amsterdam V's (Short for Veni Vidi Vici, an Amsterdam cricket and hockey club) are going to play is a smallish cricketground only 135 metres by 90. Good enough for 13 a side. Marginally beter then the nine a side that a lot of european competitions seem to play with, but then they play on a soccer ground thats 100 by 50 metres. We just have to accept that aussie rules in the old countries will never be more than a novelty...and for that "once in a lifetime player" that has it all see if the clubs in aus will take a chance whim him. As far as codes go soccer is the game....and I dont forsee any other football like game knocking soccer of their pedistool. Then taking that in Holland they are nuts about sports...most play some form or ather...it being handball, volleyball, Tabl tennis, Soccer, rugby, Cricket, American football, gealic football, golf, swimming , hockey, tennis, and so on and on. Every weekend its estimated that about two miilion go out and play some form of competitive sport.
Basically we just want to, and love to play aussie rules...as close to the real thing as possible...so I reckon we at present are pretty close to the spirit of the game as it was set up 150 years ago. Starting with nothing than a ball, blades of grass and a set of rules.
Last but not least....they LOVE watching it. Thrilled to bits about the courage, stamina and the spectacle of it...but getting them to play? They consider us to be something of a suicidle bunch...hehe.
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It is all about exposure .Where ever AFL (or any new sport)has had prominent exposure interest and growth is phenominal .
AFL early on American Pay TV was responsible for huge growth .
Luckily the USAFL now has a variety of approaches to achieve growth .
Now I understand why AR seemed so promising in the Nederlands for a while and died. And I also understand why they particpated in the cricket WC and we haven't heard from them again .
Benigro
Draftee
True...and like any sport its easy....as long as you play amongst other that have never played before...
Play soccer with any european or south american amature soccer player and the word "easy" will dissappear from your lips if you ever get a touch.... and eventually wait for the nurse to attend you.
Any game played at any top level...is hard to play...it be footy, soccer, rugby and so on....
Its not just kicking the ball around....tactics, technical skills and so on.
Anyone that can kick a ball can play aussie rules...they do great...until the handballing and bouncing comes in to play.
Sadly enogh when I got to the Netherlands aussie rules was something they never heard of...so I became a goalkeeper. Got to a semi-pro level...and it isnt as easy as you portray it....nor is footy, grid-iron, rugby and any team sport.
Benigro
Draftee
As far as cricket goes...they still battle on...and have been for the last 132 years. Our little cricketclub is only 106 years old.
There is also some referance to aussie diggers playing cricket for VVV in thier leave time during WWI... and subsequently did some aussie rules before and after the game...."the aussie played a rugby like game...where they kicked, tackled, and caught the ball a lot". So its befitting that our club board gave "the Flying Dutchman"time to play at our ground for thier home games....and gave me the mandate to start up an Aussie rules team. We would be the first club in Holland. And in all walks of life...there has to be a first.
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Anybody with good fitness and speed can be very useful as a defender in soccer ; of course it's offense where you need to finesse the skills .
Hello , no , to kick an oval ball accurately over a distance you need power and timing from practice . Of course their is a large skillset in AR ,
marking , handballing , bouncing and a general groundset of skills .
If you look at American Football , then absolutely nobody can play that
until they've learnt the rules(as for any sport) but also some plays
and the skillset , applicable to the plays .
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