Politics & Government Police Brutality

Will this be a catalyst for real change or will it be more of the same?

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bunsen burner said:
Any of you cop lovers want to explain this one:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/damning-video-shows-officers-assaulting-prisoner-20120809-23wg5.html

How you can consciously support the police after this violence happens again and again and again is beyond me. You are all quick to sneer at the criminals (and sometimes not even) but you convenient ignore that the very people who are meant to uphold the law are going to court and lying under oath about their actions. Some of you are so short sighted you see one group of liars as not okay and the other group of violent liars as okay just because they wear a blue uniform.

You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Bunsen logic.

My cat has 4 legs.
My dog has 4 legs.
Therefore my cat is a dog.
 

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Miqar_Baqfhied said:
He should of hit him harder
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Obviously the concept of the police being criminals in this situation as well as lying under oath has not registered.

Assault is a criminal behaviour, yes? Lying under oath is also a criminal behaviour, right? Same with attempting to conceal evidence, yes?

Clearly you despise criminal behavior. So how do you correlate in your mind that criminal behavior is okay for some people? Do you care to explain that because I'm having trouble understanding your double standard.
 
bunsen burner said:
Do not understand your logic. Please explain further. Methinks you have taken it upon yourself to make incorrect assumptions.
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Bunsen - you seem to have this opinion that all police are corrupt/evil because of the actions of a very, very tiny minority.

Whilst everyone would like the police force to be totally free of corruption or criminal activity, it is a very large organisation and frankly it is pretty naive to think that all are going to be 100% pure.

As it stands, for the numbers in the police force, the amount of isolated acts is very, very rare.
 
Coplover said:
Bunsen - you seem to have this opinion that all police are corrupt/evil because of the actions of a very, very tiny minority.
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This is nothing but an incorrect assumption on your behalf. Feel free to go find where I said "all" police.

What I have said is that there's a culture within our police forces that is not good and that the continual criminal behaviour and corruption of police is at a level where it is area for concern. Not sure how you equate this to "all" police? Perhaps it's your inability to interpret plain old Engligh?

If you have a look through this entire thread there are multiple examples of proven police brutality which a large proportion of posters here think is acceptable. They have clearly communicated that police should be able to behave this way.

So maybe you should stop trying to pin a straw argument on me and justify your own stance? Dick'ead.


Whilst everyone would like the police force to be totally free of corruption or criminal activity, it is a very large organisation and frankly it is pretty naive to think that all are going to be 100% pure.
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Also not sure where I said that either. To be honest I'm not even sure why you are directly quoting me because none of this stuff you are arguing has any relevance to anything I said.

As it stands, for the numbers in the police force, the amount of isolated acts is very, very rare.
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Just what I've seen in this thread is way too many. Doesn't matter what percentage it is. We are seeing enough of this behavior on a regular basis over a long period of time. It's not okay.
 
Power corrupts. It's plain old human nature.

I think society would be better served by making police serve maximum terms in office.

Perhaps even compulsory police terms for all citizens?
 

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bunsen burner said:
Imagine lawyers and real estate agents having to do a "national service" as a police officer. You'd think higher levels of corruption would be unattainable normally....
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I think it would give people a greater understanding of the entire system as to just how vulnerable it is to abuse and corruption.

This is not in the interest of the ruling class.

It would make the common man more politically aware.
 
bunsen burner said:
Same shit over and over again. It seems that because cops deal with people who 95% of the time are lying to them they assume everyone is. When you think about it, people smart enough to get a degree don't join the force. Unfortunately the left overs aren't smart enough not to make assumptions.
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cops can be paranoid and delusional,irational bullies.

If you've ever been tailgated at night by a copper with his lights on high beam, i would like to advise you to pull over but you have to.
 
F**kin' with me coz I'm a teenager, with a little bit of gold and a pager.

A black teenager who says he has been stopped about 50 times by the Metropolitan police is planning to sue the force, claiming he has suffered almost four years of harassment and false charges, which he believes have been motivated by racism.
Between the ages of 14 and 17, the college student says he has faced a series of charges of which he has either been found not guilty or which have been dropped before getting to court, as well as numerous stops and searches and two strip searches, none of which identified any criminal activity. He says he has also been detained several times in police cells after which he was released without charge.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/aug/24/black-teenager-met-police
 
Miqar_Baqfhied said:
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/officer-wont-be-sacked-over-assault-20120822-24m9s.html

Awesome news, the cop keeps his job!!!! I was there that day, and this mole and her penis-hole friends were acting like complete utter dips*its. Deserved more than just a tickled throat I'll tell you. Hope it still hurts!!!
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I wonder if you actually realise what you're advocating here? What you're saying is:

"If people are acting like ****-heads i want someone else to be able to come along and fight them a beat them up". Those people being the police.

or more to the point:

"Those people are acting like ****-heads, therefore I want another group of people to be legally allowed to also act like ****-heads and beat them up"

Can you not see the contradiction in logic? What's wrong with police just removing, or if necessary arresting people and letting the courts deal with it? And if it's not serious enough to go to court then just let it go. I just can't fathom why you are so offended by poor behavior on one hand but on the other hand you want to empower select people to behave in the same manner?

Can you explain that to us?
 
bunsen burner said:
I wonder if you actually realise what you're advocating here? What you're saying is:

"If people are acting like ****-heads i want someone else to be able to come along and fight them a beat them up". Those people being the police.

or more to the point:

"Those people are acting like ****-heads, therefore I want another group of people to be legally allowed to also act like ****-heads and beat them up"

Can you not see the contradiction in logic? What's wrong with police just removing, or if necessary arresting people and letting the courts deal with it? And if it's not serious enough to go to court then just let it go. I just can't fathom why you are so offended by poor behavior on one hand but on the other hand you want to empower select people to behave in the same manner?

Can you explain that to us?
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Dont understand your beef with Australian police mate. If you want corruption and brutality in a police force go to South America. Australia's police forces are in comparison excellently regulated. Any minor misdemenour is blown out of proportion by the media, and the precipitating and inciteful facts behind these misdemenours are glossed over. Take the Kevin Spratt incident. Has anyone be told of his true history by reading the newspapers? No, cos its hidden from the public.

The issue is that the the courts dont deal with it. Spratt is an example of a repeat offender who gets a weak slap on the wrist then 2 weeks later he's punching policemen and threatening to blow up a petrol station and kill people in the process.

When you have such a piss-weak judicial system of course emotions are going to boil over when you deal with wastes of space like this regardless of how much training an officer gets; its human instinct.

Violence against police officers in Australia dwarfs violence by police officers in Australia in terms of issues that need to be addressed. Mandatory sentening laws that have been passed are still too piss weak.
 
Miqar_Baqfhied said:
Dont understand your beef with Australian police mate. If you want corruption and brutality in a police force go to South America. Australia's police forces are in comparison excellently regulated. Any minor misdemenour is blown out of proportion by the media, and the precipitating and inciteful facts behind these misdemenours are glossed over. Take the Kevin Spratt incident. Has anyone be told of his true history by reading the newspapers? No, cos its hidden from the public.

The issue is that the the courts dont deal with it. Spratt is an example of a repeat offender who gets a weak slap on the wrist then 2 weeks later he's punching policemen and threatening to blow up a petrol station and kill people in the process.

When you have such a piss-weak judicial system of course emotions are going to boil over when you deal with wastes of space like this regardless of how much training an officer gets; its human instinct.
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Outrageous amounts of youtube clips on here of police brutality in the USA or England in an attempt to prove a point.

Violence against police officers in Australia dwarfs violence by police officers in Australia in terms of issues that need to be addressed. Mandatory sentening laws that have been passed are still too piss weak.
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Absolutely. What police officers have to deal with is a joke. If you cast your mind back about 4 years you will remember a police officer in QLD that was king hit from behind and ended up with brain damage, and having to spend the rest of his life in a wheel chair and 24/7 care. This all clearly caught on camera but the guy got off on self defence.

Why the hell would you want to sign up for the police force if the legal system doesn't even back you up.
 
I bleed Blue said:
Outrageous amounts of youtube clips on here of police brutality in the USA or England in an attempt to prove a point.



Absolutely. What police officers have to deal with is a joke. If you cast your mind back about 4 years you will remember a police officer in QLD that was king hit from behind and ended up with brain damage, and having to spend the rest of his life in a wheel chair and 24/7 care. This all clearly caught on camera but the guy got off on self defence.

Why the hell would you want to sign up for the police force if the legal system doesn't even back you up.
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Yeah I remember that. Its ludicrious.

Another example: the poor cop over here who was doing his job serving the community chasing some f*cking piece of shit who stole a car. Cop hits a lady and her daughter at an intersection, and the lady dies. Cop gets charged and loses his job. Piece of sh*t junkie who stole the car in the first place gets off. Absolute f*cking joke.
 
Miqar_Baqfhied said:
Yeah I remember that. Its ludicrious.

Another example: the poor cop over here who was doing his job serving the community chasing some f*cking piece of shit who stole a car. Cop hits a lady and her daughter at an intersection, and the lady dies. Cop gets charged and loses his job. Piece of sh*t junkie who stole the car in the first place gets off. Absolute f*cking joke.
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Why do you get so upset over a junkie in a stolen car? Let them go. They will get caught sooner or later. And the lady lives.

You have a f***ed up perspective born from your massive chip on your shoulder. Perhaps you need some perspective on how life works?
 

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