Politics & Government Police Brutality

Will this be a catalyst for real change or will it be more of the same?

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primeytimey said:
Well bunsen said his post was stating the FACTS so i assumed there must have been a report stating he was innocent. I have read a story from an 'unnamed source' claiming the police chased the wrong man, but im sure that isnt the article bunsen is talking about...afterall he made his posts based on FACTS
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Settle down dick chops. I said "facts so far" as in what has been reported so far.

He may have stolen the biscuits but really that's almost irrelevant.
 
bunsen burner said:
Settle down dick chops. I said "facts so far" as in what has been reported so far.

He may have stolen the biscuits but really that's almost irrelevant.
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No. It isnt a 'fact so far' that he was innocent of the crime.

Police believed was a criminal ran when spoken to is irrelevant? Are there any circumstances when you would like police to chase suspected criminals?

I can imagine one day someone wanted for murder, steals something from a shop, but the police dont chase cause 'it was only a pack of biscuits'. Then people will complain that they didnt chase/stop him.

That approach will do wonders for the crime rate.
 

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actually now i think about it you guys are both right.

It IS entirely irrelevant what the crime was. If the police ask you to stop to speak to u about a crime...ANY crime. You dont run.
 
nicky said:
......or else.... or else you die!

Death isn't a fitting punishment for fleeing the cops.
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yes, because the cops were hoping the man died. :rolleyes: thats why they used a taser instead of a gun? They used capsicum spray which didnt effect him.

maybe dont chase fat criminals as well in case they have a heart attack?
and please dont chase a person who has asthma :eek:

its like speeding fines. Dont speed and u dont complain about speeding cameras. If u are spoken to by police and dont run, there is a pretty high chance u arent gonna get tasered.
 
If you do run you shouldn't get tasered either. Tasers are supposed to be used to stop someone getting hurt, not to stop them running away.

In fact tasering someone running away is one of the big no-no's, as the muscles are paralysed and they fall on their face without being able to break their fall.
 
Is there any word on how he died (sorry if it was in an article)

Was it a heart attack from the tasers, or did he die from his head hitting the ground like Illinois Nazi said could happen.
 
liam_13 said:
Is there any word on how he died (sorry if it was in an article)

Was it a heart attack from the tasers, or did he die from his head hitting the ground like Illinois Nazi said could happen.
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not sure about the answer to that liam

he could also hit his head getting tackled to the ground.

Or he could have got hit by a car when running through traffic avoiding police.

the people that are against guns called for tasers. now tasers are in they will complain about these. its a never ending cycle
 
primeytimey said:
not sure about the answer to that liam

he could also hit his head getting tackled to the ground.

Or he could have got hit by a car when running through traffic avoiding police.

the people that are against guns called for tasers. now tasers are in they will complain about these. its a never ending cycle
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it's a "never ending cycle" of civilians not wanting police to use unnecessary force resulting in the death of one it's citizens.

Well yes it is and it always will be.
 
primeytimey said:
he could also hit his head getting tackled to the ground.

Or he could have got hit by a car when running through traffic avoiding police.
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In both of those cases he at least has defensive reflexes which can help minimise the injury.

Tasers are there to stop people getting hurt - i.e. in most cases to stop one person from hurting another (whether that is police or a third party). They are not there to help police catch people any more than a gun is.
 

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liam_13 said:
Is there really a better option than a police force? Yes there is corruption and abuse of power, but there has to be some sort of figure that is the authority and (is meant to) enforces the law. So really, we can't do anything about police corruption/brutality, because it's better than the alternative-no police (de-evolution of society due to everyone running wild). We just have to make sure those who do participate in such actions are dealt with by the law as well, and behave in a way that it doesn't happen to us.

I'm pretty sure a few bad cops do not make all of the police bad. We only hear about the bad cops because that's interesting news. Who wants to hear about the cop who didn't use his taser, and went about his investigation appropriately and with integrity, before reaching a conclusion and placing his suspect under arrest with no excessive force. LOL, good luck selling a newspaper.

Unfortunately this thread seems to have a lot of '**** da police!!' about it, without considering the many positive things many officers do, and without actually doing something about corruption other than posting videos and news articles...
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The thread is titled "police brutality" mate.

This thread is dedicated to the bad ones.

As for the good ones.........well..........isn't that their job anyway?
 
primeytimey said:
No. It isnt a 'fact so far' that he was innocent of the crime.

Police believed was a criminal ran when spoken to is irrelevant? Are there any circumstances when you would like police to chase suspected criminals?

I can imagine one day someone wanted for murder, steals something from a shop, but the police dont chase cause 'it was only a pack of biscuits'. Then people will complain that they didnt chase/stop him.

That approach will do wonders for the crime rate.
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So police should attack everyone who steals biscuits, on the off chance that they are a wanted murderer?
 
half_back_flank said:
So police should attack everyone who steals biscuits, on the off chance that they are a wanted murderer?
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they should definatley chase someobody who runs from them INCASE they are wanted for a serious crime. i would guess 99% of people that run from the cops are wanted for something. Otherwise they would stay there and talk, like most normal people would do.

Same reason they get into pursuits. Its not every day mum and dads that decide to speed off.
 
the danger is he is probably running for a reason. Maybe he has a gun stuffed in his pants like that last idiot i pointed out. He may not be a danger to police right there but he is obviously a danger to the public
 
primeytimey said:
they should definatley chase someobody who runs from them INCASE they are wanted for a serious crime. i would guess 99% of people that run from the cops are wanted for something. Otherwise they would stay there and talk, like most normal people would do.
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That would be a poor guess - Obviously haven't had any run in with pigc*nt pricks or being stereotyped by the pigs in blue before.

Sometimes they just want to chase, hassle and arrest for the sake of it - Last time I was arrested (official charge 'Disorderly Conduct' - i.e they had nothing but slapped me with a 'their word vs mine' charge. I didn't do anything but I couldn't prove it) I heard one pig say

''This is the first bit of action I have had since I got here...'' (British accent, I guessed a recent arrival).

Let's face it, if you reside in a low socio-economic area, especially an area with a high percentage of immigrant communities and other easy targets, and especially so if you happen to be of non-Anglo appearance, pigs will routinely f*ck with you for the sake of it - If you haven't seen it before, it's because you are lucky and haven't come into contact with these areas much before, but just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

The police's first and foremost role is to protect capital and property - This is their main function as it serves in the interests of society's elite. They are practically private security guards for the rich. Protecting citizens is nothing but cursory measure and PR stunt - Mostly because they very, very rarely actually protect anyone. There existence is inherently violent and oppressive.
 
primeytimey said:
the danger is he is probably running for a reason. Maybe he has a gun stuffed in his pants like that last idiot i pointed out. He may not be a danger to police right there but he is obviously a danger to the public
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If he had a gun, you would have heard about it - He obviously didn't, so the taser was unneccessary


Police are more of a danger to the general public than the tasered biscuit theif
 
primeytimey said:
the danger is he is probably running for a reason. Maybe he has a gun stuffed in his pants like that last idiot i pointed out. He may not be a danger to police right there but he is obviously a danger to the public
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By that logic, if he was out of Taser range it would have been perfectly fine for the police to shoot him in the back.

Even if he did have a gun stuffed in his pants, at the point he was Tasered he was not an imminent threat to anyone by any stretch of the imagination. Tasering him was completely inappropriate.
 
Caesar said:
By that logic, if he was out of Taser range it would have been perfectly fine for the police to shoot him in the back.

Even if he did have a gun stuffed in his pants, at the point he was Tasered he was not an imminent threat to anyone by any stretch of the imagination. Tasering him was completely inappropriate.
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no, becuase in general, tasers are non life threatening. I could be worng but i think this is the first death by taser in australia? they are designed to immobilise, not kill. if he was tackled to the ground, hit his head and died due to brain injuries, would u also say that tackling him was unnecessary?
 

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