Discussion Political Correctness

[gringo2011]

Most Public Health Policy is set by the World Health Organization. When The WHO was formed in 1948 it was nearly completely funded by member states belonging to the UN. Fast forward to 2020, 80% of all funding comes from private donors - or in layman’s terms...Corporate Interests.

The other day Scomo had a long phone discussion with Bill Gates about navigating public health policy...the same Bill Gates who as far as I’m aware, is unelected, & has no medical qualifications, but Is the 2nd largest donor to the WHO. Are you following me? The WHO is not impartial, its a flawed organisation with major conflicts of interest. The stringent guidelines most governments have implemented are in actual fact, rooted in corporate interests.

That's pretty much mirroring politics generally. Corporate interests are served before the people. Matt Canavan got up and gave a speech when he was forced to step aside over the citizenship drama. He said it had been an honour to serve the Minerals Council in the Parliament. They don't even seem to pretend now.

 

[ijaxcat]

Political correctness has taken over Western countries, has it? Name one thing you want to say that you feel 'political correctness' has stopped you saying....

You are obviously unfamiliar with section 18c of the racial discrimination act and how it virtually
destroyed the lives of 3 QUT students.
Mostly we are not talking about things we can be prosecuted for (at the moment) but the constant preaching
about what we should not say or how we should act. The left are obsessed with PC culture, identity politics and
constant virtue signalling.
Something that will prove itself correct time and again is the saying, “The far left are the worst perpetrators of
that which they profess to hate.”

 

[Truth Seeker]

Anybody is free to say what they wish. However, their opinion be challenged, and I think that's the problem those who bemoan 'political correctness' really have. They don't want to be contradicted for their views.

Man you are so far out of touch with reality. You won't challenge the opinion, you will invent hateful and innacurate names; you will complain to employers to try and get them sacked; you will try and vilify the person to the point of shame and destroy their lives.

That is how you cultural marxists work. It is shameful and disgusting.

Speak out against homosexuality - you're "homophobic"
Speak out against immigration - you're "racist"
Speak out again abortion - you're "Mysogynistic"
Speak out against equal gender pay - you're sexist

There are no one group of people more hateful, bigoted, and divisive then those calling out hate, bigot, and divisive.

 

[Truth Seeker]

I have no idea. But again, how many people are you referring to? Don't get hung up on the extreme fringes. The vast, vast majority don't want to censor your thoughts; just the opposite, say whatever you think and let the discussion flow. Anyone who wants top censor ideas is potentially dangerous, yet, paradoxically, it seems you want to shut down those you think crazy., such as the tiny number of non-binary folk. Instead let their ideas be held up to scrutiny.

oh my lord. Do you honestly believe what you are writing?

 

[Joffaboy]

Speak out against homosexuality - you're "homophobic"
Speak out against immigration - you're "racist"
Speak out again abortion - you're "Mysogynistic"
Speak out against equal gender pay - you're sexist

So you are sooky because you get called out on being racist, homopbobic, and being a mysogynist and sexist.

Hahahaha. Do you know how incredibly pathetic that is.

Really some people are hilarious.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Depends what you mean by "left"- such a vague term for so many different interest groups who don't even agree with each other. The term "right" is the same. Please give a detailed definition of what you actually mean.

I spoke about the nutty left. To describe it I will give you examples of a couple of people - Waleed Aly and Lisa Wilkinson off The Project on Channel 10. Then to groups like Climate Extinction Rebellion who chain and glue their body parts to all sorts of things in the name of global warming and creating anarchy. Strange in itself.

I think someone like Joe Rogan is a great example of an individual that is left of centre but interviews and listens to all sides with respect and decency. He even likes and agrees with Donald Trump when he does something good as President. He is pissed off with some on the left because they have been silencing and stopping free speech. Watch his podcasts on that topic.

 

[Noidenous]

So you are sooky because you get called out on being racist, homopbobic, and being a mysogynist and sexist.

Hahahaha. Do you know how incredibly pathetic that is.

Really some people are hilarious.

You know that flinging those terms around is designed to silence opposition?

If you can denounce someone as a political heathen to your fellow brownshirts, you can consider yourself the immediate victor without having to address the points made.

Its a hack tactic from people who oppose everything surrounding the process of debate and you have just exemplified it as modus operandi.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Hilarious.

 

[Choogler]

Political correctness has taken over Western countries, has it? Name one thing you want to say that you feel 'political correctness' has stopped you saying....

There are many things you can't say even if they are fundamental to your core beliefs, just ask Israel Folau and Margaret Court. It cost Israel Folau his career and had people calling for Margaret Court's name to be removed from the Margaret Court Arena despite it having nothing to do with the reason her name was there. Personally, I didn't agree with what either said but as Voltaire said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". That is what the PC brigade tries to prevent, your right to hold and espouse differing viewpoints and as a result people are pilloried and persecuted way beyond anything that is reasonable.

 

[NZ Blue Boy]

I spoke about the nutty left. To describe it I will give you examples of a couple of people - Waleed Aly and Lisa Wilkinson off The Project on Channel 10. Then to groups like Climate Extinction Rebellion who chain and glue their body parts to all sorts of things in the name of global warming and creating anarchy. Strange in itself.

I think someone like Joe Rogan is a great example of an individual that is left of centre but interviews and listens to all sides with respect and decency. He even likes and agrees with Donald Trump when he does something good as President. He is pissed off with some on the left because they have been silencing and stopping free speech. Watch his podcasts on that topic.

Yes, but what makes a view or action leftist or rightist in your opinion ?

 

[Noidenous]

There are many things you can't say even if they are fundamental to your core beliefs, just ask Israel Folau and Margaret Court. It cost Israel Folau his career and had people calling for Margaret Court's name to be removed from the Margaret Court Arena despite it having nothing to do with the reason her name was there. Personally, I didn't agree with what either said but as Voltaire said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". That is what the PC brigade tries to prevent, your right to hold and espouse differing viewpoints and as a result people are pilloried and persecuted way beyond anything that is reasonable.

At least in Victoria we have laws to prevent the effective cancellation of people based on political belief, however it has to be proven beyond doubt and those denied a job in the first place will not have the funds to realistically seek fair compensation through legal channels.

Precisely why it is used as a political tactic.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Yes, but what makes a view or action leftist or rightist in your opinion ?

That is way too complicated to answer properly on here.

 

[NZ Blue Boy]

That is way too complicated to answer properly on here.

I find that if i cant succinctly, accurately explain myself it is best not to comment, because I dont want to lump people together innaccurately. That is why I never tat people with "right" and "left".

 

[kingkingston]

Donald Trump is an idiot

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Donald Trump is an idiot

When you put "Trump is an idiot" into Google you get LOTS of hits.

 

[MUFKilda]

Man you are so far out of touch with reality. You won't challenge the opinion, you will invent hateful and innacurate names; you will complain to employers to try and get them sacked; you will try and vilify the person to the point of shame and destroy their lives.

That is how you cultural marxists work. It is shameful and disgusting.

Speak out against homosexuality - you're "homophobic"
Speak out against immigration - you're "racist"
Speak out again abortion - you're "Mysogynistic"
Speak out against equal gender pay - you're sexist

There are no one group of people more hateful, bigoted, and divisive then those calling out hate, bigot, and divisive.

Cultural Marxism is another crackpot conspiracy theory of paranoid fringe right wing groups. It can be traced back to Nazi Germany of course, where it is was one of the anti-Semitic tropes; hardly a good place to start. What's more I am not part of any such conspiracy, so your charge of 'you cultural Marxists' is wrong. You are using abuse against those who might just see things differently sometimes. I studied philosophy as part of both my BA and MA, and I can assure you the students were not part of some cultural Marxist conspiracy, plotting to subvert parliamentary democracy. If it isn't happening in university philosophy departments, I doubt there are discussions about cultural Marxism going on on the shop floor and the construction site. It's really fringe stuff, yet you seem to believe it's a huge conspiracy; that anyone who might have different views is dangerous. Not very liberal. Try looking on the Essendon forum, perhaps that's where the cultural Marxists meet to plot.

You can believe whatever you like, same as anyone else. You just need to support your beliefs with arguments, same as everyone else. I don't want to gag you. I haven't tried to get anyone sacked or destroyed anybody's life. What on earth are you talking about?

As for your last sentence, it makes no sense:

'There are no one group of people more hateful, bigoted, and divisive then those calling out hate, bigot, and divisive'.

That seems Orwellian, putting those who might want to combat hatred, bigotry and division in a no win situation, as you say that their doing so actually makes them bigoted. Should everyone just turn a blind eye to prejudice and discrimination? I'm not part of any 'one group'; I just try to behave with decency and courtesy towards everyone.

 

[MUFKilda]

You are obviously unfamiliar with section 18c of the racial discrimination act and how it virtually
destroyed the lives of 3 QUT students.
Mostly we are not talking about things we can be prosecuted for (at the moment) but the constant preaching
about what we should not say or how we should act. The left are obsessed with PC culture, identity politics and
constant virtue signalling.
Something that will prove itself correct time and again is the saying, “The far left are the worst perpetrators of
that which they profess to hate.”

You are using the blanket term 'the left'. Who are these people? Are you talking about anarchists, communists, or Australian Labor voters? There are a million different views in what you call 'the left', just as there is within all those loosely called the right. Again there seems to be a caricature being presented; that anyone deemed to be somehow of 'the left' is part of some sinister repressive force. It's nonsense. Authoritarianism exists on the far left and far right in some guises, though on the far left of course, ideas such as anarchism are totally anti-authoritarian.

By the way, you are right, I am completely unfamiliar with Section 18C of Australia's Racial Discrimination Act. Forgive my pommy ignorance; Aussie parliamentary legislation isn't something I often think about

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Has anyone else noticed that the comments in this thread are increasingly being made by new accounts with practically no other posting history?

All seem to be making similar points too. But I am sure that is just a coincidence ...

 

[MUFKilda]

Has anyone else noticed that the comments in this thread are increasingly being made by new accounts with practically no other posting history?

All seem to be making similar points too. But I am sure that is just a coincidence ...

I think it's a conspiracy at work. Cultural Trumpists

 

[Verdun]

I think it's a conspiracy at work. Cultural Trumpists

Careful!

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

I think it's a conspiracy at work. Cultural Trumpists

Maybe it is just a giant coincidence.

Just thought I would point it out that an Essendon supporter has had an account for 1 day, and both his posts are complaining about being called racist and / or bigoted.

And not ALSO complaining about being called a drug cheat. Now that is suspicious!

 

[MUFKilda]

Maybe it is just a giant coincidence.

Just thought I would point it out that an Essendon supporter has had an account for 1 day and both his posts are complaining about being called racist and / or bigoted.

And not ALSO complaining about Hird being called a drug cheat. Now that is suspicious!

Now there was a real conspiracy!

 

[gringo2011]

I spoke about the nutty left. To describe it I will give you examples of a couple of people - Waleed Aly and Lisa Wilkinson off The Project on Channel 10. Then to groups like Climate Extinction Rebellion who chain and glue their body parts to all sorts of things in the name of global warming and creating anarchy. Strange in itself.

I think someone like Joe Rogan is a great example of an individual that is left of centre but interviews and listens to all sides with respect and decency. He even likes and agrees with Donald Trump when he does something good as President. He is pissed off with some on the left because they have been silencing and stopping free speech. Watch his podcasts on that topic.

Ali and Wilkinson are not left. They are centrists. You hate people who want to save the environment by causing chaos idiots but praise Trump for trying to incite armed insurgency during protests against state governments who want to save their lives? Hmmm.

 

[Power freak 2008]

You are using the blanket term 'the left'. Who are these people? Are you talking about anarchists, communists, or Australian Labor voters? There are a million different views in what you call 'the left', just as there is within all those loosely called the right. Again there seems to be a caricature being presented; that anyone deemed to be somehow of 'the left' is part of some sinister repressive force. It's nonsense. Authoritarianism exists on the far left and far right in some guises, though on the far left of course, ideas such as anarchism are totally anti-authoritarian.

By the way, you are right, I am completely unfamiliar with Section 18C of Australia's Racial Discrimination Act. Forgive my pommy ignorance; Aussie parliamentary legislation isn't something I often think about

There was a court case here in Australia that may have been frivolous. There was a computer lab that was deemed Indigenous only. A group of people complained and made a comment "then where is the white supremacist computer lab"? Section 18 C was merely the legislation that was used to make the claim of racial discrimination, a rarely used piece of legislation and was thrown out of this particular court case.

I am sure that the our esteemed gentlemen has empathy for the plight of indigenous people considering that despite the significant increase in the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population to 730,000 (three per cent of the total Australian population), the life expectancy gap remains abominably wide. Australia enjoys one of the highest life expectancy in the world and the gap between the indigenous population and the average population is one of the highest in the world. laws can perpetuate unfairness but considering that we are trying to stop a culture from becoming extinct I feel that certain discrimination is necessary. What some people do not understand is that when you give someone an advantage,all it does it allow them to compete on a more level playing field.

This is a quick summary of section 18 C.
Offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin
(1) It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

(a) the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and

(b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.

Note: Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful. Section 46P of the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:

(a) causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or

(b) is done in a public place; or

(c) is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.

(3) In this section:

"public place" includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the pla


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[MUFKilda]

There was a court case here in Australia that may have been frivolous. There was a computer lab that was deemed Indigenous only. A group of people complained and made a comment "then where is the white supremacist computer lab"? Section 18 C was merely the legislation that was used to make the claim of racial discrimination, a rarely used piece of legislation and was thrown out of this particular court case.

I am sure that the our esteemed gentlemen has empathy for the plight of indigenous people considering that despite the significant increase in the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population to 730,000 (three per cent of the total Australian population), the life expectancy gap remains abominably wide. Australia enjoys one of the highest life expectancy in the world and the gap between the indigenous population and the average population is one of the highest in the world. laws can perpetuate unfairness but considering that we are trying to stop a culture from becoming extinct I feel that certain discrimination is necessary. What some people do not understand is that when you give someone an advantage,all it does it allow them to compete on a more level playing field.

This is a quick summary of section 18 C.
Offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin
(1) It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

(a) the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and

(b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.

Note: Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful. Section 46P of the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:

(a) causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or

(b) is done in a public place; or

(c) is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.

(3) In this section:

"public place" includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the pla


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Many thanks for the information and explanation. Positive discrimination is always a sensitive issue which has a tendency to send some folk into meltdown.