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stax on the mull said:
Something from the archives. Just some local Melbourne Nazi campaigners. Not that many to make a fuss about, although some people here were really triggered by the sight of the guy from the Communist Party of Australia carrying his flag alongside the Yes rally voters.

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You are re-writing history here.

Nazi's are disgusting and there was rightfully a media pile on. Commies are equally as disgusting and there was barely a whimper in the media.

That is what was being pointed out.
 

Fatima Payman goes from rising star to Labor rat​

Fatima Payman had a promising future ahead of her as Labor politician. She says her conscience left her no choice but to quit, but Labor insiders are ropeable over the betrayal.

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In putting principles over political loyalty, Fatima Payman has abandoned a promising parliamentary career with the Labor Party.
Although there has been commentary that Payman – with 1681 primary votes – was an accidental senator who won her seat thanks only to the popularity of then premier Mark McGowan, within party circles she was seen as a rising star.
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The UK is paying for the rope to choke itself.

Like a heroin addict Western countries need to hit rock bottom before they either die or make the changes neccessary to save itself.

 
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poshman said:
You are re-writing history here.

Nazi's are disgusting and there was rightfully a media pile on. Commies are equally as disgusting and there was barely a whimper in the media.

That is what was being pointed out.
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So you want the media to attack commies more, to equal out the media justice?

How is a person who identifies as a communist equally as disgusting as a nazi? Two completely different ideologies. Sounds like you can't handle any negativity towards the right.
 
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King Huskii said:
So you want the media to attack commies more, to equal out the media justice?

How is a person who identifies as a communist equally as disgusting as a nazi? Two completely different ideologies. Sounds like you can't handle any negativity towards the right.
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No you've got it wrong KH. One side is allowed to negatively stereotype but one side isn't because they're the right ones. Meanwhile negative stereotyping from either side only harms debate and the extremes of both sides behave in a harmful manner.
 
King Huskii said:
So you want the media to attack commies more, to equal out the media justice?

How is a person who identifies as a communist equally as disgusting as a nazi? Two completely different ideologies. Sounds like you can't handle any negativity towards the right.
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This is a good question. The nazis were authoritarians who killed millions and were racist and corrupt. The commies were the same except they have killed hundreds of millions.
 
Sherriff Incorporated said:
No you've got it wrong KH. One side is allowed to negatively stereotype but one side isn't because they're the right ones. Meanwhile negative stereotyping from either side only harms debate and the extremes of both sides behave in a harmful manner.
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This sentence doesn't make sense.

I also said both should be equally criticised.
 
Sherriff Incorporated said:
It really does make sense. Actually you constantly make out one side is right and one side is wrong and I was referring to patterns of behaviour on both sides. Not just your side.
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It's a constant pattern from him. There's issues both left and right. He even twists or deflects when called out.

You have owned him in multiple times.
 

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After watching Biden in his recent interview.. I think the media have it wrong and he should definitely run. It is just a stutter and he shouldn't be criticised for that.
 
poshman said:
What of my statement about what the commies did and the nazi's did was incorrect. Let's see if you are willing to reflect a little here.
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I never said you weren't wrong with who they are and what they have done in the past.

It's a fact that they are two completely different ideologies and a person who identifies as communist in Australia is a completely different person to someone who identifies as a Nazi.

If you think that a person who sides with communism or socialism is as dangerous as a Nazi in modern times then you are deluded.
 
poshman said:
Is this how you think? 'You have owned him multiple times'


hilarious...sad and hilarious.
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Ok. Overwhlming evidence would suggest otherwise. You never have an actual argument in response but instead abuse and name call while complaining how others do that and you also constantly deny you've posted things you later acknowledge you've posted. A recent example is you claiming to not take one sided positions in a debate when that's all you do.
 
poshman said:
Once again you miss the question. I am asking if this is how you think. Not if what you said is the truth or not. Do you see the difference?
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You are the one that refuses to admit you are wrong. That's on you.

I've acknowledged a fellow poster who is correct.

Once again you are deflecting. Case in point.
 
poshman said:
After watching Biden in his recent interview.. I think the media have it wrong and he should definitely run. It is just a stutter and he shouldn't be criticised for that.
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Watched most of the debate unedited and yeah it's of course bad, but broadly it wasn't anywhere nearly as awful as what I was expecting after seeing the gaffe highlights.

I think the bloke doesn't actually have anything wrong with him technically just an ordinary speaker badly handicapped by natural aging. And it's doubled up unfortunately by being very physically frail. It's sad because the bloke has apparently been a quality politician his whole life just got his shot too late.

Still should be replaced.
 
poshman said:
I literally said both are bad and you say I was making it about my side... reading and comprehension and arguing in good faith would be appreciated.
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No. You've misread what I said. I was referencing your response to your views on the Nazi protests and I made no reference to Communists.
 
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King Huskii said:
I never said you weren't wrong with who they are and what they have done in the past.

It's a fact that they are two completely different ideologies and a person who identifies as communist in Australia is a completely different person to someone who identifies as a Nazi.

If you think that a person who sides with communism or socialism is as dangerous as a Nazi in modern times then you are deluded.
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I have never said they are not different from an ideological perspective. I have said they end in the same place. As you can see from modern socialist governments and the results. Lots of authoritarianism and lots of dead people.

If I am deluded, then tell me why a socialist today is less dangerous than a nazi today and be sure to reference a current socialist/commie government or one from the last forty years.

This will be very interesting.
 
Kram said:
Watched most of the debate unedited and yeah it's of course bad, but broadly it wasn't anywhere nearly as awful as what I was expecting after seeing the gaffe highlights.

I think the bloke doesn't actually have anything wrong with him technically just an ordinary speaker badly handicapped by natural aging. And it's doubled up unfortunately by being very physically frail. It's sad because the bloke has apparently been a quality politician his whole life just got his shot too late.

Still should be replaced.
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You are right he has been a high quality politician his whole career and I hope he isn't forced out by the Dems as that would be wrong. Let the people have the candidate they voted for. I am backing Biden in.
 
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