Potential training breach?

[AFC3000]

What you do to maintain the fairness advantage is all clubs, inc Vic ones, are put up in hotels but hell I’ve be having a date with “name you super model” before that happens.

I'd be confident this is why all that noise from the players about having families in hubs came about.

They knew they'd never have to enter the hubs themselves, but now if anyone says they should stay in hotels instead of their own homes they can point to the lobbying they did so that (other) players could bring the families into these hubs.

"Hey we were happy to go, we just wanted to bring our families with us, you guys come to Melbourne and bring the kids"

A bit like Chris Scott fighting for Grand Final venue fairness over the last couple of years... he knows it won't happen, but when they are also fighting for more home games, especially in finals, they can say "we want the competition to be so fair, everyone should play at home in finals, including the Grand Final, but hey, if you just want to give us our prelims, well, we tried"

 

[MRB37]

I watched that fox footy footage and Nicky Dal agreed with Dunstall on that point so if you're hinting? at Dunstall's previous experience with our review had anything to do with it I think you're miles off. Unlike most of the Victorian AFL media I personally think Dunstall is one of the best with regards to bias and just seems to have the knack of easily cutting through the bullshit that abounds in semi-trailer loads in the AFL.

It's the usual set of attention seekers who are the ones acting outraged and pushing for huge punishments. Dermie, Dunstall, Dal Santo, the ones who don't constantly court scandal see it for what it is.

 

[cleanhands]

We all know that the AFL is a corrupt organisation,as are the clubs, where there is large amount of $$$ corruption exists, for years every club has pushed the boundaries to the limits with questionable tactics or practices, this will not change even if a new breakaway league forms( won’t happen) it will continually come down to who is the smartest at it

 

[1970crow]

On the subject of Hart, I think he won’t be there next season in any case. I think both he and Mattner were probably told they won’t be recontracted... Mattner chose to take the settlement now and move on, Hart probably going to just hang around until the time comes.

Who has people doing that in a high performance environment? Oh, I see.

 

[1970crow]

That's why the appt of Kelly was crucial.

And so to is the chasing of Bassett if that is to be believed.

I hope Kelly is good, but he’s a cleanskin as well. He doesn’t bring experience on successful AFL structures and where money is best spent. He’s another who’s been elevated to their highest position at our club. If they don’t come with strong experience in their actual role, it’s hard to force cultural change. I think he’s up against the same handicaps that Fagan faces. We need someone with clout to come in and sort us out. He won’t be toxic like Burton, but I don’t think we’ll see great leaps towards being a regular contender until we recruit some serious AFL experience. I think we’re in good hands, possibly great hands, but we still lack relevant experience outside of our own 4 walls.

 

[GreyCrow]

 

[Jars458]

Nailed it!

What total and utter rubbish. Boundaries are always going to change gradually. There will always be a situation where yesterday it wasn't allowed today it is.

 

[1970crow]

Realistically, y'all would have bitched and moaned if they'd stayed.

Absolutely, and we’d be right. They’ve got to go, experience different systems, learn stuff that’s not known inside our 4 walls. The problem is that we don’t seem to be able to get the good ones back. Or any experienced coaches for that matter. Do we have a single coach on the books right now that arrived at our club having held a similar level role elsewhere? Remove Saunders and I think that can be extended to our entire footy dept.

 

[jackster83]

Meh, we really should stop wasting so much time and money on this garbage.

 

[Dudersaurus]

Do we have a single coach on the books right now that arrived at our club having held a similar level role elsewhere?

Ben Hart?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Meh, we really should stop wasting so much time and money on this garbage.

I'm not wasting any money on it. Time....yeah I see your point.

 

[BACCS]

The announcement on punishments was that the AFL was definitely meant to announce them Friday, then definitely Saturday, then absolutely definitely Sunday and still nothing by Monday arvo?

 

[ftmch]

Not sure if anyone heard Simon Birmingham on AA this morning. At the end of the segment was asked of his thoughts around the training situation (he's evidently an avid Crows supporter). I was expecting a restrained, diplomatic response, but instead he just cut loose, decrying it as a ridiculous, unfair position being taken by the AFL. Can't recall word for word what he said, but the terms 'control freaks' and 'Vic-centric AFL administration' (or derivatives of those) were definitely used.

This coming from national Minister for Trade (who was being interviewed in that context). I'm not a big fan of the Libs, but did thoroughly enjoy his rant (as did Pembo and Will).

 

[1970crow]

They all absolutely made the right call to leave. It's the mistake Campo made, he should have left after 2015 and looked to improve his stock elsewhere, he didn't and now he's tainted goods.

The real question is if we had an opening and these guys who had proven themselves elsewhere and had options, would they come back? Probably not.

All the guys who did were ones who were failures elsewhere and had no options. Burton turfed from Brisbane, Hart from Collingwood, Smart failed in politics.

We might have more luck in the future now that Campo, aka The Blocker, is gone. Plus, being a part of our turnaround would look good on a CV. But they’d need to think our club is capable of it. That might be an issue for now.

 

[1970crow]

I can confirm that isn't correct

How? Were you in the room and assuming you weren’t, do you reckon any of our club guys would admit it? Do you seriously still believe everything that comes out of the mouth of club employees?

 

[BRL121]

There are unspecified guidelines involved but it sounds like it will allow proper training

Groups of 10, non-contact. So, not proper training.

 

[All_In]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">two solutions on isolation training issue. Firstly, interstate clubs were told over a week ago to get players back. So they’ll just have to start Friday or Monday with who they have. National cabinet Friday was known for weeks. Also, can come to Victoria to train.</p>&mdash; Tom Browne (@TomBrowne7) <a href="">May 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Couldnt even get the 'politically correct' term correct... I meant aren't we all interstate clubs? Mentality still there i am afraid.

 

[1970crow]

I hope there's some punishment for Hart directly.

Because if the AFL don't punish him the club sure as hell won't.

Club have said they won’t. We protect our poor performers.

 

[Mutineer]

Not sure if anyone heard Simon Birmingham on AA this morning. At the end of the segment was asked of his thoughts around the training situation (he's evidently an avid Crows supporter). I was expecting a restrained, diplomatic response, but instead he just cut loose, decrying it as a ridiculous, unfair position being taken by the AFL. Can't recall word for word what he said, but the terms 'control freaks' and 'Vic-centric AFL administration' (or derivatives of those) were definitely used.

This coming from national Minister for Trade (who was being interviewed in that context). I'm not a big fan of the Libs, but did thoroughly enjoy his rant (as did Pembo and Will).

Penbo should given he has an iron in the AFC fire.

Not a big fan of the ALP guys in this footage?...

 

[Scorpus]

Groups of 10, non-contact. So, not proper training.

Nope it's been clarified that full training is allowed in Victoria with no limits on group size

 

[1970crow]

So anything more than 1/10th of that would be outrageous given its barely 1/10th the severity

What was it that they actually did? I can’t recall it coming out.

 

[All_In]

The whole 10 person rule is only for optics. At what point do people stop focusing on the purpose and start solely focusing on the rules. I mean, if you train with 9 others today and 9 different people tomorrow, will the virus account for us and say ' no i have already infected 9 other people and this host has followed the rules so...'.

Tracing? Sure you can limit it to who you have trained with in the past 14 days to help with tracing, but that would be everyone in the fkg club by then anyway.

When do the rule makers get lost in what they are trying to implement, and get drowned in the does and dont's of the rules?

Sadly the A/VFL think we are all idiots, so there needs to be rules and optics so avoid arguments, explainations and comparisons, only to have the logic exposed and have to explain it all anyway.

 

[1970crow]

Via The Big Hoss on twitter this morning - not sure if anyone else posted this already.

I thought that’s why the AFL bought in the 2 person rule, so all clubs were at the same disadvantage regardless of differences in state control measures.

 

[jackster83]

Groups of 10, non-contact. So, not proper training.

Sounds like game day for the AFC.

 

[BRL121]

Nope it's been clarified that full training is allowed in Victoria with no limits on group size

What I quoted is out of the premier's mouth: what's going on?