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Yeah I can’t see a world where sport MBL’s become reality. Racing MBL’s are set by the racing bodies. What sporting body would bother with it when it’s not their main source of income?
 

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I'll add my experience.

been betting dogs for a living for just on 10 yrs. Took a package from work 10 yrs ago and gave the punt 3 mths or id get another job.

before mbl's it entailed multiple bowler's to get enough down and I would have had to give it up had mbl's not come in .

over the journey, I've spent around 10k on custom database builds/updates

You have to focus on a part of the market. for me its maidens and low tier races, where "form" is less exposed and I specialise in certain tracks

I spend around 30-40 hours a week doing video analysis and getting "maps" right. I also time my own sectionals manually using track markers, as the first 5 seconds of a dog race are critical, and alot of the public sectionals are either too short or too long of duration.

from that, I probably spend more time getting money down at multiple books (mbls are very low in dogs, as against horses) than I do creating my bet sheet for the day.

Shits me not being able to get enough on early, as mbl's kick in an hr or two prior to first race at each meeting (depending on state)

Past 3 yrs I've averaged around 18% on turnover and have made 6 figures every yr the past 6 or something
 
St Steady said:
I'll add my experience.

been betting dogs for a living for just on 10 yrs. Took a package from work 10 yrs ago and gave the punt 3 mths or id get another job.

before mbl's it entailed multiple bowler's to get enough down and I would have had to give it up had mbl's not come in .

over the journey, I've spent around 10k on custom database builds/updates

You have to focus on a part of the market. for me its maidens and low tier races, where "form" is less exposed and I specialise in certain tracks

I spend around 30-40 hours a week doing video analysis and getting "maps" right. I also time my own sectionals manually using track markers, as the first 5 seconds of a dog race are critical, and alot of the public sectionals are either too short or too long of duration.

from that, I probably spend more time getting money down at multiple books (mbls are very low in dogs, as against horses) than I do creating my bet sheet for the day.

Shits me not being able to get enough on early, as mbl's kick in an hr or two prior to first race at each meeting (depending on state)

Past 3 yrs I've averaged around 18% on turnover and have made 6 figures every yr the past 6 or something
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I think people do not realise that unless you do the hard work you are not making a profit long term. Pro punting is a full time job and if someone else finds your edge then the profits might not even last.
 
St Steady said:
I'll add my experience.

been betting dogs for a living for just on 10 yrs. Took a package from work 10 yrs ago and gave the punt 3 mths or id get another job.

before mbl's it entailed multiple bowler's to get enough down and I would have had to give it up had mbl's not come in .

over the journey, I've spent around 10k on custom database builds/updates

You have to focus on a part of the market. for me its maidens and low tier races, where "form" is less exposed and I specialise in certain tracks

I spend around 30-40 hours a week doing video analysis and getting "maps" right. I also time my own sectionals manually using track markers, as the first 5 seconds of a dog race are critical, and alot of the public sectionals are either too short or too long of duration.

from that, I probably spend more time getting money down at multiple books (mbls are very low in dogs, as against horses) than I do creating my bet sheet for the day.

Shits me not being able to get enough on early, as mbl's kick in an hr or two prior to first race at each meeting (depending on state)

Past 3 yrs I've averaged around 18% on turnover and have made 6 figures every yr the past 6 or something
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where do you bet mainly?
 
HeathComeBack said:
I think people do not realise that unless you do the hard work you are not making a profit long term. Pro punting is a full time job and if someone else finds your edge then the profits might not even last.
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this is correct, i would say i probably spend more hours "working" than most employed people

based said:
where do you bet mainly?
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i get bits and pieces down in the morning at a handful of books that bet mbl's from start of day rather than the law (1hr/2hrs prior to race 1)

then the balance late as % come down at places like punt on dogs , sportsbet, boom,

I also que money at betfair where i can and top up my final outlay when liquidity comes there (last few minutes to jump) but obv markets are more efficient by then.

i used to put a shiteload through citibet , but closed that account a few yrs ago
 
karaoke said:
edit - wrong thread, carry on..
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current most updated list, couple months old though
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St Steady said:
this is correct, i would say i probably spend more hours "working" than most employed people



i get bits and pieces down in the morning at a handful of books that bet mbl's from start of day rather than the law (1hr/2hrs prior to race 1)

then the balance late as % come down at places like punt on dogs , sportsbet, boom,

I also que money at betfair where i can and top up my final outlay when liquidity comes there (last few minutes to jump) but obv markets are more efficient by then.

i used to put a shiteload through citibet , but closed that account a few yrs ago
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Place or win bets, or a combo of both?
 
greyhound punter said:
Place or win bets, or a combo of both?
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has varied over time. used to be slanted toward place bets on roughies with the odd win bet

now its probably an even spread, place only bets, win only bets (half would be 1 dog, half would be dutching 2) on e/w bets that are like 0.5/1 ie, slanted to place.

i like betting place bets/ each way bets in 2 div races

for those unfamiliar with dogs, some dogs are nony's and refuse to win and shit themselves if they got to the lead, but are good chasers with something in front of them and can be really good value to run a hole , so i like that set up alot as well

other dogs must lead to win , or wont even place if they dont etc etc
 

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St Steady said:
has varied over time. used to be slanted toward place bets on roughies with the odd win bet

now its probably an even spread, place only bets, win only bets (half would be 1 dog, half would be dutching 2) on e/w bets that are like 0.5/1 ie, slanted to place.

i like betting place bets/ each way bets in 2 div races

for those unfamiliar with dogs, some dogs are nony's and refuse to win and s**t themselves if they got to the lead, but are good chasers with something in front of them and can be really good value to run a hole , so i like that set up alot as well

other dogs must lead to win , or wont even place if they dont etc etc
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I used to have a dabble on the doggies, i found that if you saw dogs with form that had lots of wins and barely any places were good bets to leave out of tri's where they had drawn badly in races with lots of early speed. You could get massive dividends.
 
St Steady said:
has varied over time. used to be slanted toward place bets on roughies with the odd win bet

now its probably an even spread, place only bets, win only bets (half would be 1 dog, half would be dutching 2) on e/w bets that are like 0.5/1 ie, slanted to place.

i like betting place bets/ each way bets in 2 div races

for those unfamiliar with dogs, some dogs are nony's and refuse to win and s**t themselves if they got to the lead, but are good chasers with something in front of them and can be really good value to run a hole , so i like that set up alot as well

other dogs must lead to win , or wont even place if they dont etc etc
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Great stuff.

Do you find you have a sweet spot in terms off place odds? Between $3 and $4 to place?
 
greyhound punter said:
Great stuff.

Do you find you have a sweet spot in terms off place odds? Between $3 and $4 to place?
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not really , i generate my own market and value dictates that, and then it has to map well. I don't bet much below 2.30 i guess place only wise, unless its ridiculous bet.

i will say , the higher the odds the more problematic it is to get money down. For example today, I want to have 1u place on a dog that opened at 31/1 (6 bucks to place). I've managed to get 0.25u down with books that will bet mbl early and moved the price already into about 4.4 ave across the books. Have to balance knowing price will move, with getting at least part of my bet down

I now pretty much have to wait till the last 5 min when % move down and hope i get the drift back out. I'll prob get another 0.25u down on mbl opening and hope i dont move it further , just so its not much of a headfk when money comes late and prices shape better to finish the bet
 
I've been exploring this casually and tracking my stats for a while, to see if I ever could make a go of this to supplement income and work less hours in the day job. Probably could never do it full time without a massive bankroll as safety.

I had a lot of success in 2022 across NRL, AFL and the BBL season over this recent summer.

I bet with a massive lean towards favourites that I feel should be shorter than their odds suggest.

Recently EPL has been my most profitable, particularly making a lot of coin by betting heavily on Man City and Arsenal.

Across the last 6 months I'm basically even, small insignificant loss of -0.86% ROI

If I highlighted my niche focus areas I'd be up, but I throw it away with some mug punting bets when I'm bored.

A lot of that had to do with a few bad beats and some really loose betting early in the AFL and NRL season where I was just taking action for the sake of it.

I've tidied that up a bit over the last month and am clawing back, and I expect to be in the green by end of this weekend.
 
St Steady said:
not really , i generate my own market and value dictates that, and then it has to map well. I don't bet much below 2.30 i guess place only wise, unless its ridiculous bet.

i will say , the higher the odds the more problematic it is to get money down. For example today, I want to have 1u place on a dog that opened at 31/1 (6 bucks to place). I've managed to get 0.25u down with books that will bet mbl early and moved the price already into about 4.4 ave across the books. Have to balance knowing price will move, with getting at least part of my bet down

I now pretty much have to wait till the last 5 min when % move down and hope i get the drift back out. I'll prob get another 0.25u down on mbl opening and hope i dont move it further , just so its not much of a headfk when money comes late and prices shape better to finish the bet
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i am not sure what the tote pools are these days on the dogs, but i have found if you have a bet early on a long shot that no one else likes, the tote odds will blow out massively. Would only work on win bets of course. Place pools are disgusting
 
HeathComeBack said:
i am not sure what the tote pools are these days on the dogs, but i have found if you have a bet early on a long shot that no one else likes, the tote odds will blow out massively. Would only work on win bets of course. Place pools are disgusting
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in dogs, totes are the first thing the books cut off (dogs are mid tote payouts on books) because the pools are easily manipulated
 
Macca180 said:
Good read this thread.

Don't know anyone that has made big coin from gambling.
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I don't know any pros (as in it's their only source of income) but I know a lot of people who have made big profits over a reasonable period of time.
Of the ones that used the corporate bookies I've never known a winning punter on the corporates to not be banned.
 
juss said:
I don't know any pros (as in it's their only source of income) but I know a lot of people who have made big profits over a reasonable period of time.
Of the ones that used the corporate bookies I've never known a winning punter on the corporates to not be banned.
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yep there's a difference between being profitable and being a pro, still hard work to make coin over a sustained period but nearing impossible to make a living
 
St Steady said:
not really , i generate my own market and value dictates that, and then it has to map well. I don't bet much below 2.30 i guess place only wise, unless its ridiculous bet.

i will say , the higher the odds the more problematic it is to get money down. For example today, I want to have 1u place on a dog that opened at 31/1 (6 bucks to place). I've managed to get 0.25u down with books that will bet mbl early and moved the price already into about 4.4 ave across the books. Have to balance knowing price will move, with getting at least part of my bet down

I now pretty much have to wait till the last 5 min when % move down and hope i get the drift back out. I'll prob get another 0.25u down on mbl opening and hope i dont move it further , just so its not much of a headfk when money comes late and prices shape better to finish the bet
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is that you Jason Lincoln ?
 
Speaking of tracking, I used to use an awesome site called bettingmetrics but I think they closed down. It was very automated and offered good data and analytics.

I know similar can be done with a spreadsheet, but does anyone have any good sites/app? I'm a fan of less manual processes so if I can avoid putting in 20 odd bets and then 20 odd results a week into an excel doc manually I'm all ears as to what people use.
 
juss said:
Speaking of tracking, I used to use an awesome site called bettingmetrics but I think they closed down. It was very automated and offered good data and analytics.

I know similar can be done with a spreadsheet, but does anyone have any good sites/app? I'm a fan of less manual processes so if I can avoid putting in 20 odd bets and then 20 odd results a week into an excel doc manually I'm all ears as to what people use.
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for afl , you can prob look at

thecruncherau.vercel.app/elo

if you want to start working on a basic afl model
 

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