hawkman
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Imagine if Robbo got to decide this year's premier
Proposal to include premierships dating back to 1870 gathering pace
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- Oct 25, 2001
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FMD if it was Cornes and Hoyne last year Pies would have been out in straight sets, Melbourne premiers.
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It is still there in football history. No one is saying it is or should be erased or needs to be restored. It is recognised for what it was, a colonial time competition. It just can’t possibly be counted in the AFL premierships tally. It was a completey different competition, with completely different formats, not just a name change like 1989-1990. Sorry this is flawed argument.
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Keep at it, Col! 
Literally what difference does it make? It doesn’t change who won anything. Does it mean that you have to clap for longer for Geelong or Sydney? Do you have to doff your hat to their supporters?
It literally doesn’t change anything. This doesn’t matter. Go outside, have a look at some trees or something
It literally doesn’t change anything. This doesn’t matter. Go outside, have a look at some trees or something
“doff your hat”. Love it!
Parasite
Norm Smith Medallist
I ain’t reading this thread, but happy to accept the 51 Fremantle/South Fremantle/East Fremantle WAFL premierships into the AFL record books.
Taper
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This is great initiative by Carlton to recognise their entire history, rather than just their history in this competition.
We need to do the same and update our trophy cabinet at Kardinia Park.
I can understand the thinking of the clubs, journalists and supporters in the early years of the VFL breakaway that they still counted their flags in the VFA and before it.
Imagine if in 2025 - Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton, ,Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Richmond, Sydney and West Coast break out from the AFL and start a new League OSAFL (Old School AFL).
The AFL still continues and are bitter rivals.
Pretty hard to go back to 0 Premierships even that is the official stats in the new League.
Past glories from the AFL days maybe printed 20-30 years after the break-away but eventually they will rightly be erased in the OSAFL because it has nothing to do with the AFL.
Sorry for the mumbled up words… but you get what I’m trying to point out?
Imagine if in 2025 - Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton, ,Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Richmond, Sydney and West Coast break out from the AFL and start a new League OSAFL (Old School AFL).
The AFL still continues and are bitter rivals.
Pretty hard to go back to 0 Premierships even that is the official stats in the new League.
Past glories from the AFL days maybe printed 20-30 years after the break-away but eventually they will rightly be erased in the OSAFL because it has nothing to do with the AFL.
Sorry for the mumbled up words… but you get what I’m trying to point out?
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Seeing as Geelong has left the league multiple times we can't count any of their history before 1944
Toucan Soup
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Have to agree with the words of terrybull
By acknowledging the premiers of the previous VFA competition, it would present an element of gravitas or significance (perhaps even some prestige) to the fledgling VFL which had no real history of its own to report in the early years.
Once the VFL was firmly established, and the VFA history had served its purpose, then it could be dropped with solely VFL information (particularly premierships) retained.
By acknowledging the premiers of the previous VFA competition, it would present an element of gravitas or significance (perhaps even some prestige) to the fledgling VFL which had no real history of its own to report in the early years.
Once the VFL was firmly established, and the VFA history had served its purpose, then it could be dropped with solely VFL information (particularly premierships) retained.
Clubs are free to include premierships from any competition in their history - but that doesn't mean they equate to the same thing as a national cup
SANFL
WAFL
VFA
VFL
AFL
(VFL/AFL can be combined)
Ie Port Adelaide should include their SANFL premierships in their combined tally - but it's not the same as their AFL premiership - of which they have 1.
And Melbourne is welcome to include their historic state league premierships - but it's not the same as their AFL premiership - of which they also have 1.
Combined VFL/AFL tallys are ok - it's a continuous competition - but old premierships should not be referred to as AFL premierships without the "VFL" reference.
SANFL
WAFL
VFA
VFL
AFL
(VFL/AFL can be combined)
Ie Port Adelaide should include their SANFL premierships in their combined tally - but it's not the same as their AFL premiership - of which they have 1.
And Melbourne is welcome to include their historic state league premierships - but it's not the same as their AFL premiership - of which they also have 1.
Combined VFL/AFL tallys are ok - it's a continuous competition - but old premierships should not be referred to as AFL premierships without the "VFL" reference.
