Alan McAlister turned them down.
Proposal to include premierships dating back to 1870 gathering pace
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Irrelevant, we are back dating flags, so they must count.
My bad. This must be how Collingwood "Do Better" - steal glory from indigenous history. Standard for the Pies.
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1987 is the real date of the modern AFL coming into being. It was the first time in over 60 years that the league had expanded and new clubs from two more states were added.
If you want to talk about the national competition, 1987 is the year that makes most sense.
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It's not gathering pace. The book is farcical, incoherent and a flop.
There's no case to add flags from one comp to another. Carters clear desperation to add to Geelongs tally borders on the unhinged.
There's no case to add flags from one comp to another. Carters clear desperation to add to Geelongs tally borders on the unhinged.
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I would suggest that all clubs including your own have had horrific racist pasts when it comes to Aboriginal players. You might want to remind yourself of some of the incredibly hurtful anti Aboriginal chants your ‘grog squad’ used to chant. As for some of the on-field and administrative racism that took place, the Tigers were as bad as anyone. Collingwood being one of those clubs with an astoundingly poor racist past. Thankfully racist flogs like McAllister and McGuire are no longer part of the club and we can begin to move forward. And by the way it is not Indigenous history I was referring to, it was Aboriginal history and as you know, I was using it to show how ridiculous the claims are of past Premierships.
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Yes, fair enough, but that's why I mentioned the nature of the competition as well as the standard, as an afterthought in my post admittedly.
A better example may have been the modern Olympics. Not only has the standard changed, so has the nature - it has gone from where individuals competed as such, to very much now a nation based event. But the records date back to the first Olympics in 1896.
With this, I'm coming from a record keeping point of view. I have a strong personal history and involvement in that area. And, regardless of the changes in structure, nature and standard, what now is the AFL has nevertheless been one single, continuous competition since 1897. So that's when the record keeping starts and dates from.
I find that logical, and what makes that so straightforward is that it gives you a clear, unequivocal starting date. 1897. The "transition from suburban to national" argument doesn't. Is it when a non-Victorian based team first started competing? (1982). Is it when multiple non-Victorian teams first started competing? (1987). Is it when the VFL changed its name? (1990) Is it when all mainland states had a competing team? (1991). Hell, I could even make an argument that it won't be a "national" competition until Tassie finally gets its side.
If the VFL had wound itself up and set up a brand new, national AFL competition I would agree with your stance. VFL records stop and AFL records start. But it was a gradual evolution of the one competition, which involves continuity of records.
By the way, my stance isn't based on being a supporter of a Victorian club, which resultantly makes me emotionally connected to the VFL. I'm not a Victorian myself and I would be making exactly the same argument if the AFL had evolved from the WAFL or the SANFL or even the Sydney AFL.
The main era of change was between 1982 and 1997, split the difference of that and you end up at around 1990, which is when the name change happens, which therefore gives us a very handy shorthand way of referring to the two eras, ie VFL and AFL.
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This is a laughable idea from someone who was on the AFL Commision
. No wonder Geelong was able to get all those grand stands built, a commissioner has access to the highest levels of business and politics, he probably used that access, which was meant as an AFL elder’s role, to better his own club? I have no doubt he mis used his time as a commissioner.
If this sill proposal went ahead should the Bulldogs get the 1924 premiership? As the VFA premier they played the VFL premier for a Champion of the State prize and won. This trophy hold a special place in Bulldog history but they would never think it counts as a flag.
. No wonder Geelong was able to get all those grand stands built, a commissioner has access to the highest levels of business and politics, he probably used that access, which was meant as an AFL elder’s role, to better his own club? I have no doubt he mis used his time as a commissioner. If this sill proposal went ahead should the Bulldogs get the 1924 premiership? As the VFA premier they played the VFL premier for a Champion of the State prize and won. This trophy hold a special place in Bulldog history but they would never think it counts as a flag.
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That's why flags should count from when the Crows started in 1991. Representation from all the major states and all the best players in the one league.This is a laughable idea from someone who was on the AFL Commision
If this sill proposal went ahead should the Bulldogs get the 1924 premiership? As the VFA premier they played the VFL premier for a Champion of the State prize and won. This trophy hold a special place in Bulldog history but they would never think it counts as a flag.
Every time a new club joins the competition, everyone's premiership tally should reset to 0.
** Just as ridiculous as counting premierships won in an inferior competition
** Just as ridiculous as counting premierships won in an inferior competition
If we're going back to 1870 you can notch up 10 premierships for us, please and thanks 
There should be a new version of the count every time a new team joins the comp. Then an overall version that is the sum of all the versions, and for simplicity sake just make the overall version the official one but let people on the internet pick and choose otherwise all we get is online consensus and agreement and it is destroying people's lives.
We just want our Premierships to be formally recognised in our total by the AFL. Is that so much to ask?
Every time a new club joins the competition, everyone's premiership tally should reset to 0.
** Just as ridiculous as counting premierships won in an inferior competition
Every time the morons in charge of the league make a rule change it should reset to zero.
Pies premiership last year was won with different rules to the game this year.
Every team is now on zero.
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Would you buy a used car from this man?
He is going to deliver 7 Premierships to Geelong, 6 to Carlton, 5 to Sydney, 4 to Essendon, etc.Would you buy a used car from this man?
His nickname 'The Mailman' is starting to catch on in AFL circles I hear.
Almost forgot, 1 to Collingwood too, so it's not all bad.
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It’s ridiculous, as mentioned earlier the competition was so much in its infancy that some games counted were against country and junior clubs. Media nominated premiers, no grand final.
Bulldogs have many VFA premierships in a time VFL players were poached to the VFA on better money and some VFA could beat VFL premiers, 1924 a good example. Let’s count all these too.
What about Port Adelaide’s premierships? And Fremantle’s from East and South Fremantle. The cats weren’t even the cats they played in Eastern Gardens for 70 years and were called numerous names including the Pivots among others. It’s revisionist nonsense, before anyone alive now or their immediately ancestors were even around.
I live in Geelong and have most of my life, but Geelong nuffies here honestly think they are superior at football than anyone else in Australia. Guess what, people are all pretty equal really, and if your area had more resources or greater area to draw from or your working class people weren’t ripped away during the world wars or depressions, there was more chance of keeping a club together. Geelong has a very unique size in Victoria because it is regional and close to the capital but triple the size of the next couple of true regional centres like Ballarat and Bendigo and then further down the scale. And very well resourced with money.
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This is total BS if the Dogs can't add their 9 VFA titles, North their 6 (plus Essendon Associations 2 and West Melbourne's 1), Richmond their 2 and Hawthorn their... 
