Proposal to include premierships dating back to 1870 gathering pace

[greatwhiteshark]

Do as you please in my view. But if someone ever asks me who has won the most flags I always answer Port Adelaide, East Fremantle, Norwood have won the most top tier flags in the sports history.
That the AFL and Victorians don’t want to acknowledge the sports history and have decided that the VFL is the sports history is on them.
The Game is bigger than all leagues.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Therefore, when Colin's dream eventually becomes a reality

It won't.

 

[peetoo]

Dya reckon if Geelong had the most AFL flags (which could be soon) they’d be pushing to dump the VFL flags

 

[rapidfire7]

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the Brisbane Lions football club on their 13th Premiership in the Premier Australian Rules Football Competition of Australia .

Now in equal 6th place with the Tigers and the Hawks.

A magnificent achievement for a club which no one wanted to go to less than a decade ago.

 

[oak79]

"The Carter argument is compelling. Clearly the AFL was born of the VFA. The defection of eight clubs didn’t erase their histories pre-1897. Colin’s push maybe unpalatable with clubs whose place in premiership tallies will be adjusted negatively but a true history of the game’s origins is far more important. Clearly 1870 is the AFL competition’s birthdate."

—Mike Sheahan, sports journalist and media commentator.

It's the same logic that says Port's SANFL premierships should be included

Honestly, its so simple. Premierships should just be separated out into the comp they were won in.

AFL
VFL
WAFL
SANFL

If clubs want to count them together, whether it's Collingwood AFL/VFL or Port AFL/SANFL - go for it.

Yes the AFL is a continuous league from the VFL, but that's simplicist and doesn't recognise that the VFL was a state based amateur league just like the SANFL and WAFL. Port's historic SANFL premierships are no less than Collingwood's VFL flags.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Dya reckon if Geelong had the most AFL flags (which could be soon) they’d be pushing to dump the VFL flags

Nope.

 

[CharacterFirst]

It's the same logic that says Port's SANFL premierships should be included

Honestly, its so simple. Premierships should just be separated out into the comp they were won in.

AFL
VFL
WAFL
SANFL

If clubs want to count them together, whether it's Collingwood AFL/VFL or Port AFL/SANFL - go for it.

Yes the AFL is a continuous league from the VFL, but that's simplicist and doesn't recognise that the VFL was a state based amateur league just like the SANFL and WAFL. Port's historic SANFL premierships are no less than Collingwood's VFL flags.

No it's not the correct understanding of Aussie Rules history.

The VFA back in the 1800s was the Premier Comp in the Nation.

Aussie Rules "flags" for current AFL teams should only be counted if they were won in the Nations Premier Comp at the whatever point in the games history.

So SANFL, WAFL, VFA 1900s etc. "flags" don't meet the requirements as they were not the nations premier comp. They are not equivalent to Flags won in the best comp in various periods of Aussie rules history.

Original VFA flags count.
VFL flags from 1898 onwards to 1990 count.
AFL flags from 1990 - ..... count.

 

[rapidfire7]

For those who can't be bothered reading the book, Col has been sweet enough to provide a brief summary for you (apologies if you've already seen it).

Although this clip by no means covers his arguments in full, it summarises his main points and rebutts some of the usual objections.

Objections such as 'Port Adelaide's flags should be counted too then' AND 'It was a different league, so they shouldn't be counted' etc.

Thank you Col for all your hard work.

 

[OxfordCambridge]

"Premier Comp in the Nation"

VFL may have been strongest comp but great teams are great teams.


See Championships of Australia...

Port won one of their 4 after an undefeated season SANFL flag, defeating the SA State Side, then caned VFL Premier Carlton.