Review PSD:- What do we think?

[Blue Ratts]

Like the mix and love the mongrel..

 

[40yearBLUE]

CARLTON
Rookie selections:
15 - Jaryd Cachia (Northern Knights)
31 - Joseph Dare (Geelong Falcons)
44 - Levi Casboult (Dandenong Stingrays)
56 - Simon White (Subiaco)
66 - Josh Donaldson (West Perth)
73 - Zach Tuohy (County Laois, Ireland - International)

After copping some flak for not selecting height in the NAB AFL Draft, Carlton certainly answered its critics this time around. Three of the six players taken stand 192cm or more: ruckman/forward Casboult (196cm), key position player White (192cm) and versatile tall Donaldson (193cm). Defender Dare, who was surprisingly overlooked in November, can play tall at 188cm. Irish recruit Tuohy is a 187cm half-back. Cachia is a hard-at-it midfielder who was always on Carlton's radar.

Maybe so, I doubt that the club (Ratts, Hughes, Rogers, Icke, O'Sullivan) gave a toss about the 'critics'. Successful managements have a plan, then stick to it and dont even hear the critics let alone answer them.

Talls would have been on the list of needs for the rookie draft but best available would still be the order of the day early and speculative or needs based later. The first round of the rookie draft is to grab players that slipped through the ND and you rated but ran out of picks or you need more time to evaluate them for a spot on the list (you believe they have better than average potential).

The club knows you draft for talent trade for need. If you are going to reach or speculate then late in the ND and late in the rookie draft is the place for that, and if speculating on a more slowly developing tall then the rookie draft is definitely the place for that UNLESS you have reliable mail that you would lose them waiting for the rookie draft and you have a strong belief in them making it and dont want to risk them being taken.

Why tie up a spot on the list for a player that may not "develop" for 2 seasons or more when you have a system in place to accommodate them as tied to the club but without being a burden on the salary until they start to play which may not be for 2 or more seasons, it is why the rookie list is there.

It would appear the club was surprised that Dare was still available at our second pick and also clear they rated Cachia. With any luck we will get a look at some of these boys in the pre-season competition next year and perhaps 2 of them will get the nomination and may even play seniors next season.

 

[Blues_Man]

Did you trust the club during the period when we drafted the likes of Daniel Harford and Mick Martyn?

You missed the post that put the other psuedo supporter in his place...i suggest you read the whole thread before starting your troll.

 

[Alpha1]

Well can the mods change it to a public poll please?

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Don't want to get ahead of ourselves, a lot of hard work ahead of this group, but based on what I've seen during the year, and where I ranked them...this bloke has come early this year...

Mate, I would love to hear a bit more about where you ranked these guys and why...Yours (and others) input is always appreciated by those of us with nfi about the kids.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Some posts about it being the right thing to do to question the club so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past and that may be true, HOWEVER how on earth can you question a drafting decision without having at least the same amount of information at hand that the club had? To bag the selections or bag the fact we didn't pick someone up, surely you have to have an accompanying dossier and constructive argument to back that stance. Too many times people choose who they like the sound of and if we don't take them and they do okay at another club, they do the whole 'I told you so' bit, but in reality they didn't say anything except they wanted him to begin with.

Devils advocate ODN.

How does this work when 95%+ of posters came on here after the first round Adelaide loss and vented vitriol at the players, club and coach for a whole host of reasons. None of them knew anything about the planning of that game, each players individual assignment, team rules etc. None of them had any inside information/dossier on that specific game to understand the real reasons for failure. Does the above rule apply here or just a special case for drafting?

 

[Jack TY]

I am absolutely stoked that we didnt bother with the mature aged rookie thing and went for the kids.

I notice we didnt take Aaron Kite despite the fact he had been training with us.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Devils advocate ODN.

How does this work when 95%+ of posters came on here after the first round Adelaide loss and vented vitriol at the players, club and coach for a whole host of reasons. None of them knew anything about the planning of that game, each players individual assignment, team rules etc. None of them had any inside information/dossier on that specific game to understand the real reasons for failure. Does the above rule apply here or just a special case for drafting?

There you go earning that respect we spoke of..........totya nominee.

 

[HBF]

Well then technically we didn't recruit Meldrum, he picked us

The Kernaham era was the last time we got to splash our cash around to good effect.

After that as a club our arrogance meant we were one of the last clubs to finally realise we were in a national competition and the old rules we played under weren't applicable any more.

That's why we landed in so much shit for so many years.

If we'd had someone stand up then and question our clandestine practices we might have avoided alot of that hardship.

Alas nobody did, but fortunately its now water under the bridge and we are setting ourselves up to be a modern football club and an elite force onces again.

That was the Elliott era. He never believed in the Salary Cap & the Draft, and why he kept on breaking the rules. It wasn't until he was ousted as President, and a new regime came in, that we actually started building for the future and investing in youth.

As they say, the buck stops here, and the buck stopped at Elliott.

 

[HBF]

*Waits for some muppet to suggest that their whinging was worthwhile and the club listened to it by selecting KPPs*

I wouldn't have thought WH would be swayed by anyone J. He watches enough of the kids to make a very informed decision, and then backs himself in to make the right decision.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Devils advocate ODN.

How does this work when 95%+ of posters came on here after the first round Adelaide loss and vented vitriol at the players, club and coach for a whole host of reasons. None of them knew anything about the planning of that game, each players individual assignment, team rules etc. None of them had any inside information/dossier on that specific game to understand the real reasons for failure. Does the above rule apply here or just a special case for drafting?

Firstly, it is not a rule, it is an opinion. Not everything that flies off a moderator's keyboard is an edict.

Secondly, I agree that vitriol post match is largely uninformed and unnecessary and supporters need to realise that quite often with drafting and on field performance, we have a sound intention that unfortunately might produce a poor outcome.

Thirdly, at least post match rants are based around something that has happened and therefore an outcome has been reached and not something that is yet to have an outcome.

 

[waldo48]

You need to recalibrate your sarcasm meter Mr pepper

Recalibrate, I haven't even got warm yet. I am just sick to death of all these experts. I suppose it would be too much to suggest that perhaps Wayne Hughes and his recruiting department might know just a tad more than these computer based "experts" whose only knowledge of most of these players is a few newspaper articles, comments by people like Emma Quale and Matt Burgan and, the occasional You Tube Clip.

No, obviously they are full bottle with the Club's recruiting strategy, team requirements and long term goals. If this is case then I guess that Wayne Hughes, his team, Ratten, Icke and Swann can just rest easy, have a cup coffee and pick their pay cheques because all they have to do now is log on to Big Footy and all will be revealed to them.

Isn't this just wonderful!!!

 

[Salaryman]

Casboult is 198cm isn't he? I also thought Dare was a little taller, not that it makes a difference.

Hey, I'm on your side Waldo !!

Been various heights thrown around for various people, I always go by their testing results as the best source (of course the 18yo's may have a growth spurt since)

Jaryd Cachia - 184cm
Joe Dare - 190cm
Levi Casboult - 198cm
Simon White - 190cm
Josh Donaldson - 195cm
Zac Tuohy - 187cm (have to go with CFC site with this one)

 

[Blue Bloods]

I trust the club, well I do now (never did when Pagen was the boss)

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Been various heights thrown around for various people, I always go by their testing results as the best source (of course the 18yo's may have a growth spurt since)

Jaryd Cachia - 184cm
Joe Dare - 190cm
Levi Casboult - 198cm
Simon White - 190cm
Josh Donaldson - 195cm
Zac Tuohy - 187cm (have to go with CFC site with this one)

Dare played a lot as a CHB this year didn't he? If he manages to squeeze out another couple of cms before he stops growing, might turn into a good KP prospect.

 

[GordonBlue]

Hahahah I love Carlton BF board.... it's amazing what one number can do to uplift the mood of posters on here.... 198 is the new number of the beast

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Recalibrate, I haven't even got warm yet. I am just sick to death of all these experts. I suppose it would be too much to suggest that perhaps Wayne Hughes and his recruiting department might know just a tad more than these computer based "experts" whose only knowledge of most of these players is a few newspaper articles, comments by people like Emma Quale and Matt Burgan and, the occasional You Tube Clip.

No, obviously they are full bottle with the Club's recruiting strategy, team requirements and long term goals. If this is case then I guess that Wayne Hughes, his team, Ratten, Icke and Swann can just rest easy, have a cup coffee and pick their pay cheques because all they have to do now is log on to Big Footy and all will be revealed to them.

Isn't this just wonderful!!!

Good point Waldo. It also means no one really can comment on anything to do with Carlton at all gamewise unless you are inside the MC or administration. If you do, you could be accused of being a keyboard expert on anything with a lack of inside club knowledge.

PS
This forum board wouldn't be much use then either because aside from ericpascoe and 1-2 others, no one else has real inside knowledge - they all have variations of game knowledge but not inside Carlton knowledge. And to be fair, BB and Jeremias and Harker all provide their analysis and thoughts from their keyboard without any inside Carlton knowledge. Are you saying you are sick of these experts because they dont have any inside knowledge yet purport to be experts?

Or is it all ok for those guys but not others depending who you are sucking up to?

 

[Salaryman]

Dare played a lot as a CHB this year didn't he? If he manages to squeeze out another couple of cms before he stops growing, might turn into a good KP prospect.

Correct. Joe's not the most wildly talented bloke running around the TAC, but he's disciplined, defensively minded, works hard, liked by his teammates (from what I've read), a beautiful kick and seems dedicated to get the best out of himself....some big ticks for a rookie in my book.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Good point Waldo. It also means no one really can comment on anything to do with Carlton at all gamewise unless you are inside the MC or administration. If you do, you could be accused of being a keyboard expert on anything with a lack of inside club knowledge.

PS
This forum board wouldn't be much use then either because aside from ericpascoe and 1-2 others, no one else has real inside knowledge - they all have variations of game knowledge but not inside Carlton knowledge. And to be fair, BB and Jeremias and Harker all provide their analysis and thoughts from their keyboard without any inside Carlton knowledge. Are you saying you are sick of these experts because they dont have any inside knowledge yet purport to be experts?

Or is it all ok for those guys but not others depending who you are sucking up to?

I'd just like to think there is a marked difference in mentality between being positive about something to do with the club before the verdict has been returned and being negative about something to do with the club before the verdict has been returned.

After the fact ... knock yourself out. You would hope though that where there is doubt, the club get the benefit of that doubt as far as their own supporters go.

I can't fathom why some choose to align themselves with the more negative of two option in relation to something that is supposed to bring them joy. Perhaps it is a switch, a bent, an attitude or an outlook that I will never understand unless I had it myself.

If somebody articulated an argument that Panos offered more than other players we took before him and based it on what they have seen rather than what they have heard, then I support their right to debate that point. If somebody does not know the comparable merits of two players but chooses to vent their anger at the club based on a feeling, they have kind of lost me and my need to look for enjoyment in football.

 

[HBF]

Correct. Joe's not the most wildly talented bloke running around the TAC, but he's disciplined, defensively minded, works hard, liked by his teammates (from what I've read), a beautiful kick and seems dedicated to get the best out of himself....some big ticks for a rookie in my book.

Do you know what he tested in his 20m sprint?

 

[Blue Dimension]

In amungst all the excitement about the new draftee's, we've almost all forgotten Aaron Kite. Thought he'd be a shoe in by the sounds of the training reports we were getting.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I'd just like to think there is a marked difference in mentality between being positive about something to do with the club before the verdict has been returned and being negative about something to do with the club before the verdict has been returned.

After the fact ... knock yourself out. You would hope though that where there is doubt, the club get the benefit of that doubt as far as their own supporters go.

I can't fathom why some choose to align themselves with the more negative of two option in relation to something that is supposed to bring them joy. Perhaps it is a switch, a bent, an attitude or an outlook that I will never understand unless I had it myself.

If somebody articulated an argument that Panos offered more than other players we took before him and based it on what they have seen rather than what they have heard, then I support their right to debate that point. If somebody does not know the comparable merits of two players but chooses to vent their anger at the club based on a feeling, they have kind of lost me and my need to look for enjoyment in football.

I agree with all of that except like we have said before, posts get derailed very quickly from either side. Initially saying we needed to draft talls (last year, this year or next year) isn't an overly negative statement but as you can see, as it ended up different to what WHs and Carlton actually did draft, any related post is now considered negative.

 

[Salaryman]

Do you know what he tested in his 20m sprint?

He didn't do any testing, must have been injured at DC....will see if I can track down a pre-season result for you.

He's not slow, but not express either. Reckon he'd be just outside of 3 flat if you forced me to guess.

He does read the play and position himself very well, so makes him a bit footy quicker

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I agree with all of that except like we have said before, posts get derailed very quickly from either side. Initially saying we needed to draft talls (last year, this year or next year) isn't an overly negative statement but as you can see, as it ended up different to what WHs and Carlton actually did draft, any related post is now considered negative.

I'm referring specifically to those that say this was a bad rookie draft because they wanted us to get players that have been passed over many times by every club. It's a complete lottery, and the club can't be held to account for rookie draft selections IMO.

 

[GoBlues!]

I'm referring specifically to those that say this was a bad rookie draft because they wanted us to get players that have been passed over many times by every club. It's a complete lottery, and the club can't be held to account for rookie draft selections IMO.

I agree. I think we need to keep the rookie draft in perspective. Without being disrespectful to the rookie draftees the reality is that 91 players were selected ahead of them in a National Draft that was considered very shallow and 7 in the PSD.

I think we all hope that Cousboult, Dare, Cachia etc will make it but who tf really knows. We will be pretty lucky if 1 or 2 of these guys can make it as regulars in the senior team.