Public vs Private School funding

[Ghost Patrol]

The commies out in force I see!

The real problem out my way is kids from a young age simple not even attending school but there seem to be no ramifications for the parents just letting this happen...

And whats that got to do with private vs public funding?

 

[Gralin]

And whats that got to do with private vs public funding?

nothing Kram is just fishing of course

 

[Kram]

And whats that got to do with private vs public funding?

Nothing your majesty, I just thinks it's a far more pressing problem that absolutely nothing get done about. Maybe because you can't see it from the nice suburbs in the city.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Nothing your majesty, I just thinks it's a far more pressing problem that absolutely nothing get done about. Maybe because you can't see it from the nice suburbs in the city.

Why don't you start a thread about it, if it's so important to you?

 

[Kram]

Why don't you start a thread about it, if it's so important to you?

Thought about it will probably just get a heap of idiotic and ignorant responses like most things on here.

Public v private depends on where you live I think, in a nice city area with good public schools no way would I bother. But out here or in say the goldfields you would have to kind of look at it to keep them away from all the deadshits. I'm not wealthy at all and the usual nuffs want to take all the funding away from this option?

 

[Carn The Berries]

One of the few instances that I agree with Ghost Patrol. The more exclusive the school (fees of upwards 20k a year, some as much as 50k apparently) the less funding it should receive or ideally none at all.

It's obscene and insulting in the extreme that institutions that children of millionaires (or at the very least comfortably well off to be able to throw around tens of thousands of dollars per year on just school fees, much less other expenses required to raise a child) attend should receive any kind of taxpayer funding. Certainly no wage earner is able to cough up the equivalent of what they earn in a year to send their children to one of those schools.

A distinction should be made between private schools that are more or less glorified public schools that charge a few thousand dollars per year, compared to the toffs schools of choice that charge an exorbitant amount (for most people) not just to fund the state of the art facilities that would make small Melbourne footy clubs envious but also as a buffer to keep the riff raff out.

The attraction of your typical relatively cheap Catholic schools is that disruptive morons who don't want to learn anything at school can be kicked out, unlike public schools that have to tolerate them, so students in classes actually have an opportunity to learn. So I have no issues with some sort of of funding for these schools, as long as it's proportional to their needs and not more than what public schools get.

You could apply a threshold similar to how income tax is worked out, for example anything beyond 10k a year should receive absolutely nothing as the parents (the vast majority besides a handful of desperate social climbers who want their little darlings to start networking with the well heeled as early as possible) enrolling their children there are clearly not in any sort of financial need.

There is a very clear distinction made between schools based on their parents income, the DMI system was fully introduced last year (replacing the existing SES).

At the top end, schools receive 20% of the annual Student Resource Standard (approx. $3k this year). You can argue whether those "elite" schools should receive any funding at all, but it is simply false to lump all non-government schools in together from a funding perspective.

 

[Gralin]

Thought about it will probably just get a heap of idiotic and ignorant responses like most things on here.

Public v private depends on where you live I think, in a nice city area with good public schools no way would I bother. But out here or in say the goldfields you would have to kind of look at it to keep them away from all the deadshits. I'm not wealthy at all and the usual nuffs want to take all the funding away from this option?

if it gets you foaming sure

 

[Crankyhawk]

Do you have a plan for getting that $15,000 out of the family that does not involve taxation?

Many countries in Europe can spend incredible amounts of money on education because NATO has their backs militarily.

our military is also a joke. Sure we spend a lot but we seem to get very little return for what we do spend.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Thought about it will probably just get a heap of idiotic and ignorant responses like most things on here.

Public v private depends on where you live I think, in a nice city area with good public schools no way would I bother. But out here or in say the goldfields you would have to kind of look at it to keep them away from all the deadshits. I'm not wealthy at all and the usual nuffs want to take all the funding away from this option?

If I understand this correctly, you're saying that the people in nice city areas think you are a deadshit based on your location?

And you think private school funding will fix this? Wouldn't having exclusive schools just reinforce what the nice city areas think about the so called 'deadshit' locations?

 

[Crankyhawk]

You don’t really believe that do you? There is no conspiracy win any legitimate political party to deliberately keep groups of Australians down. it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

i question the track record of our current liberal federal government, where I can't really point to any vision or policy that seems to improve education. And obviously big steps backwards by excluding education (tertiary sector) from Jobkeeper during the lockdowns. Ongoing cuts to higher education, increased user pays fees (that applies to both sides of politics but more the liberals)
its not unreasonable to believe that the liberals want to keep many dumb and manipulated into voting for them for the sole purpose of retaining power and continuing corrupt behaviour

 

[Kram]

If I understand this correctly, you're saying that the people in nice city areas think you are a deadshit based on your location?

And you think private school funding will fix this? Wouldn't having exclusive schools just reinforce what the nice city areas think about the so called 'deadshit' locations?

Umm what.. I'm saying that the schools out here are full of bad students hence my hand would be forced into sending them to a private school despite not being wealthy. Most decent areas of Perth I wouldn't even think about not sending them to a public school.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Umm what.. I'm saying that the schools out here are full of bad students hence my hand would be forced into sending them to a private school despite not being wealthy. Most decent areas of Perth I wouldn't even think about not sending them to a public school.

What makes them bad students?

If the local school had better facilities, do you think they would be better students?

 

[Sttew]

What makes them bad students?

If the local school had better facilities, do you think they would be better students?

Ghost Patrol, am I right in saying you didn't go to a private school?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Ghost Patrol, am I right in saying you didn't go to a private school?

No, I spent time in both types of schools, private and public.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

i question the track record of our current liberal federal government, where I can't really point to any vision or policy that seems to improve education. And obviously big steps backwards by excluding education (tertiary sector) from Jobkeeper during the lockdowns. Ongoing cuts to higher education, increased user pays fees (that applies to both sides of politics but more the liberals)
its not unreasonable to believe that the liberals want to keep many dumb and manipulated into voting for them for the sole purpose of retaining power and continuing corrupt behaviour

If people can't see that this federal government took the opportunity of this pandemic to smash the living shit out of the tertiary education sector, I don't know what to say to them. It's so blatantly clear, they haven't even tried to hide it.

 

[Gough]

If people can't see that this federal government took the opportunity of this pandemic to smash the living sh*t out of the tertiary education sector, I don't know what to say to them. It's so blatantly clear, they haven't even tried to hide it.

To be fair, looking at Cabinet it's hard to see a lot of value coming from Arts/Law degrees.

 

[Carn The Berries]

If people can't see that this federal government took the opportunity of this pandemic to smash the living sh*t out of the tertiary education sector, I don't know what to say to them. It's so blatantly clear, they haven't even tried to hide it.

I'd suggest the institutions that invested so heavily in attracting overseas full paying students also need to accept their portion of responsibility for the financial circumstances they have found themselves in over the last 2 years.

It was always a business model that was fraught with danger.

 

[Deliverance]

Because you posted in the Andrews thread instead of your own thread that nobody had been in for over 6 months?

I didn't start the convo about schools in the Andrews thread.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

To be fair, looking at Cabinet it's hard to see a lot of value coming from Arts/Law degrees.

everyone i knew who did one did them for one for one of two reasons:

1) to be a politician

2) to pick up women by saying "hey, I studied law at Monash" (seriously not kidding)

 

[Crankyhawk]

everyone i knew who did one did them for one for one of two reasons:

1) to be a politician

2) to pick up women by saying "hey, I studied law at Monash" (seriously not kidding)

Was similar at Melbourne university as well - most of the main political student parties were heavily arts law (the exception was International association for the international students they were comm/law and medicine)

 

[Sttew]

everyone i knew who did one did them for one for one of two reasons:

1) to be a politician

2) to pick up women by saying "hey, I studied law at Monash" (seriously not kidding)

What a ****ing ridiculous generalisation!! I studied Law and Economics at Monash. I'm not a politician and I didn't do it to pick up women. In the time I studied Law I know of three students Law students who went on to become politicians including Peter Costello, so that would represent less than 1% of Law students across 5 years, and I can say that nobody I knew who studied Law did it to "pick up women". If your "friends" tell you that's what they did it reflects on them...

 

[Gralin]

I didn't start the convo about schools in the Andrews thread.

you started the debate about private vs public by suggesting there was no difference at all between them

 

[Ned_Flanders]

What a ******* ridiculous generalisation!! I studied Law and Economics at Monash. I'm not a politician and I didn't do it to pick up women. In the time I studied Law I know of three students Law students who went on to become politicians including Peter Costello, so that would represent less than 1% of Law students across 5 years, and I can say that nobody I knew who studied Law did it to "pick up women". If your "friends" tell you that's what they did it reflects on them...

to be fair, im not surprised you studied law and eco

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

to be fair, im not surprised you studied law and eco

Why? Because he appears to understand them?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Why? Because he appears to understand them?

it was a joke dumbarse - miss the ****ing wink?