Public vs Private School funding

[Kram]

then why are they throwing money at private schools? that must bother you too surely?

They should get some funding but it's it needs to be less.

On a side note I don't get why our school employs a chaplain..
1. Religion should have no place in a public school
2. I have no idea what the the guy actually does that's actually useful
3. He comes across as a bit of a weirdo

Needs to be instantly fired and that money put towards another special needs staff member.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

They should get some funding but it's it needs to be less.

On a side note I don't get why our school employs a chaplain..
1. Religion should have no place in a public school
2. I have no idea what the the guy actually does that's actually useful
3. He comes across as a bit of a weirdo

Needs to be instantly fired and that money put towards another special needs staff member.

absolutely! "secular" is in the education act but religious crank Abbott saw that this was over ridden. You are dead right. Most of them are weirdos. Goes with the job. Abbott also refused to allow schools to use the funding to upgrade to a qualified professional counsellor. They had to be God botherers. FFS

 

[Reg Grundy35]

How much payroll tax on private schools is driving up fees – and the battle to stop it

High-fee private schools are pressuring the state government to reverse its decision to charge a payroll tax, by telling parents they have no choice but to pass the extra cost on.

www.theage.com.au

Heres a suggestion. Cancel the plans for the extra tax payer funded hockey field or the sprung gymnastics floor and pay your effing tax like everyone else.

 

[Chief]

They should get some funding but it's it needs to be less.

On a side note I don't get why our school employs a chaplain..
1. Religion should have no place in a public school
2. I have no idea what the the guy actually does that's actually useful
3. He comes across as a bit of a weirdo

Needs to be instantly fired and that money put towards another special needs staff member.

That's a whole can of worms going back a fair while.

 

[Kram]

absolutely! "secular" is in the education act but religious crank Abbott saw that this was over ridden. You are dead right. Most of them are weirdos. Goes with the job. Abbott also refused to allow schools to use the funding to upgrade to a qualified professional counsellor. They had to be God botherers.

I see that it's funded from grants that schools get so at least it's not from our budget but still a waste of taxpayer money.

 

[Chief]

Here's why, in Queensland, private education has nothing to do with religion.

It's about entrenching privilege, and scrabbling to get it.

EDUCATION (GENERAL PROVISIONS) ACT 2006 - SECT 76 Religious instruction in school hours

 

[kalex6251]

emerging discussion around pvt school sports/arts facilities that have received public funding to be made available to the general public ...... this is a fantastic suggestion

lets see how the wealthy elite worm their way out of this one

 

[Chief]

AS

emerging discussion around pvt school sports/arts facilities that have received public funding to be made available to the general public ...... this is a fantastic suggestion

lets see how the wealthy elite worm their way out of this one

I think most schools already rent out their basketball courts and mixed use halls for an income.

 

[kalex6251]

AS

I think most schools already rent out their basketball courts and mixed use halls for an income.

only caught snippets of the conversation on abc melb radio ....... appears the suggestion included access to sporting fields and was limited to out-of hours availability which is fair enough

nevertheless, if this gains traction the following should apply:

1. management and administration of out-of-hour access overseen by a committee/org comprising school and local council
2. out-of-hours access must comply with the law (eg - no religious bans on lgbtqi+ ..... etc etc)
2. access fees modelled on not-for-profit community facilities - this is not a profit making venture for schools to double dip on the capital investment
3. all proceeds be distributed according to the overall investment breakdown - if public $ funded 70% of the build/fit out then its share of the fees should be 70%

 

[Gruffles]

emerging discussion around pvt school sports/arts facilities that have received public funding to be made available to the general public ...... this is a fantastic suggestion

lets see how the wealthy elite worm their way out of this one

I think the discussion you're referring to is this one: ABC link. From what I can see they are only referring to opening public school green spaces/outdoor playgrounds for after hours access.

 

[Carn The Berries]

AS

I think most schools already rent out their basketball courts and mixed use halls for an income.

Some schools have been entering into JUAs with local councils. Funding is split, school has access to the facilities during schools hours (and outside by agreement) and the council operates the facility out of school hours.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Some schools have been entering into JUAs with local councils. Funding is split, school has access to the facilities during schools hours (and outside by agreement) and the council operates the facility out of school hours.

both Govt and Private schools?

 

[Carn The Berries]

both Govt and Private schools?

I can't speak for the government sector, but I definitely know it is happening in the non-government space.

 

[Kram]

I think our school only has 4 atar subjects available with teachers, the rest is remote learning. That is just nowhere near good enough.

 

[Sttew]

I think our school only has 4 atar subjects available with teachers, the rest is remote learning. That is just nowhere near good enough.

Where is the school?

 

[Kram]

Where is the school?

Country WA, very small public.

From memory we had about 10 TEE subjects available when I was a student in the 90s.

 

[Vindicater]

And once again.

Private schools should not receive public funding. If that means some private schools die then so be it. That money and students will benefit the local school in the area instead.

 

[Carn The Berries]

And once again.

Private schools should not receive public funding. If that means some private schools die then so be it. That money and students will benefit the local school in the area instead.

Where exactly would all those students go to school? State schools are struggling to keep up with current demand.

 

[Vindicater]

Where exactly would all those students go to school? State schools are struggling to keep up with current demand.

It would need to be done over many years/decades but you would slowly start to withdraw funding and then have a transition plan for the states to eventually buy the private schools. The large private schools would still stay afloat despite government funding but alot of the smaller schools are reliant on that funding to stay functioning, without it they would need to sell anyway.

It would never happen as it would require bipartisan support and planning over successive governments but it could be done.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Where exactly would all those students go to school? State schools are struggling to keep up with current demand.

no that arent. thats complete bullshit. give us one scarp of evidence

 

[Reg Grundy35]

It would need to be done over many years/decades but you would slowly start to withdraw funding and then have a transition plan for the states to eventually buy the private schools. The large private schools would still stay afloat despite government funding but alot of the smaller schools are reliant on that funding to stay functioning, without it they would need to sell anyway.

It would never happen as it would require bipartisan support and planning over successive governments but it could be done.

there already is bi-partisan support! in favour of handing tax payer dollars to schools who simply do not need it.

 

[Vindicater]

there already is bi-partisan support! in favour of handing tax payer dollars to schools who simply do not need it.

Yes I know.

 

[Sttew]

no that arent. thats complete bullshit. give us one scarp of evidence

How so? There are 4 million students in Australia any year, 36% of who attend private / independent schools. That's 1.44M students, or the equivalent of 1,440 schools based on an average of 1,000 students per school. Clearly if government funding of private schools ceased they wouldn't all close but a large percentage - and some argue a majority - of students would be forced back into the public system. If you don't believe that then what would happen?

Defunding private schools is not on, but we can make education fairer

A common vision between public and non-government schools could prevent a great social divide.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Chief]

Where exactly would all those students go to school? State schools are struggling to keep up with current demand.

The buildings would not just evaporate. The teachers would not disappear into thin air.

Nationalise them.

 

[Chief]

no that arent. thats complete bullshit. give us one scarp of evidence

And if they are, the tax that some parents are already being charged by private schools in the form of fees can just be spread around via the tax system.

Rich people will always find a way to buy themselves influence and privilege. We don't need to help them.