Public vs Private School funding

[Gralin]

I don’t suffer fools and when you make an inane general comment such as “it probably their main reason for existing - so they dont have to have their kids sit with public school scum”, what sort of response do you expect? Seriously!

So you think it's not a class based system?

 

[Sttew]

So you think it's not a class based system?

Your question is completely irrelevant to what I posted.

 

[Gralin]

Your question is completely irrelevant to what I posted.

It's not at all irrelevant.

You've insulted someone for saying it's a class based system

 

[Sttew]

It's not at all irrelevant.

You've insulted someone for saying it's a class based system

I find the insinuation that anyone who attends public school is considered by private school families to be “scum” to be offensive, and it’s not the first time that poster has said that.

If you surveyed every parent who sent their kids to private school none would say it was to to avoid “public school scum”. To think that is the motivation of parents is reverse snobbery.

 

[Gralin]

I find the insinuation that anyone who attends public school is considered by private school families to be “scum” to be offensive, and it’s not the first time that poster has said that.

If you surveyed every parent who sent their kids to private school none would say it was to to avoid “public school scum”. To think that is the motivation of parents is reverse snobbery.

Cool, you're wrong though plenty of parents send their kids to private schools to avoid mixing their kids with the poors

Shit people in Brighton were against public housing because it would mean poors would get into their very nice public school

If you think elitism isn't a big part of it then you're at best naive


But you still haven't answered my question.

Do you think it's not a class based system?

 

[kranky al]

There’s a fair amount of hyperbole here.

There’s an underlying truth as well.

There are no real consequences for bad behaviour in public schools and as someone who has had a particularly bright foster child in the public system and moved them to the private system as both the discipline my child gets and and the fact that other unruly students won’t compromise his education meant a better outcome.

Now you can spin that as I don’t want my child associating with scum if you want, but it’s not accurate, the public system is hamstrung by staffing and funding issues, but also by zero consequences for bad behaviour.

That bad behaviour is what I wanted to avoid - not “scummy” kids.

That being said there are ZERO reasons for a private school to receive a single solitary red cent from the federal government more than the lowest funded public school unless they are the only option (don’t know if there is such a case but if there is that’s the exemption)

And there should be a means test applied for these schools with a cutoff - schools with massive fees can gagf - they shouldn’t get or need public funding unless they give academic scholarships to bright poor kids - then they get the funding that would otherwise be allocated to the public system.

 

[Gralin]

There’s a fair amount of hyperbole here.

There’s an underlying truth as well.

There are no real consequences for bad behaviour in public schools and as someone who has had a particularly bright foster child in the public system and moved them to the private system as both the discipline my child gets and and the fact that other unruly students won’t compromise his education meant a better outcome.

Now you can spin that as I don’t want my child associating with scum if you want, but it’s not accurate, the public system is hamstrung by staffing and funding issues, but also by zero consequences for bad behaviour.

That bad behaviour is what I wanted to avoid - not “scummy” kids.

That being said there are ZERO reasons for a private school to receive a single solitary red cent from the federal government more than the lowest funded public school unless they are the only option (don’t know if there is such a case but if there is that’s the exemption)

And there should be a means test applied for these schools with a cutoff - schools with massive fees can gagf - they shouldn’t get or need public funding unless they give academic scholarships to bright poor kids - then they get the funding that would otherwise be allocated to the public system.

I know private schools with bad discipline and public schools with good discipline but the trope of it always being the other way around never goes away

 

[Reg Grundy35]

I don’t suffer fools and when you make an inane general comment such as “it probably their main reason for existing - so they dont have to have their kids sit with public school scum”, what sort of response do you expect? Seriously!

Its fundamentally correct and if you have kids at a private school you know it. If you dont have kids at all i dgaf what you think about schools really

 

[Reg Grundy35]

There’s a fair amount of hyperbole here.

There’s an underlying truth as well.

There are no real consequences for bad behaviour in public schools and as someone who has had a particularly bright foster child in the public system and moved them to the private system as both the discipline my child gets and and the fact that other unruly students won’t compromise his education meant a better outcome.

Now you can spin that as I don’t want my child associating with scum if you want, but it’s not accurate, the public system is hamstrung by staffing and funding issues, but also by zero consequences for bad behaviour.

That bad behaviour is what I wanted to avoid - not “scummy” kids.

That being said there are ZERO reasons for a private school to receive a single solitary red cent from the federal government more than the lowest funded public school unless they are the only option (don’t know if there is such a case but if there is that’s the exemption)

And there should be a means test applied for these schools with a cutoff - schools with massive fees can gagf - they shouldn’t get or need public funding unless they give academic scholarships to bright poor kids - then they get the funding that would otherwise be allocated to the public system.

so your experience with one school can be extrapolated to all Govt schools? Right?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Cool, you're wrong though plenty of parents send their kids to private schools to avoid mixing their kids with the poors

Shit people in Brighton were against public housing because it would mean poors would get into their very nice public school

If you think elitism isn't a big part of it then you're at best naive


But you still haven't answered my question.

Do you think it's not a class based system?

i've been watching this crap all my life. My parents sent me to a private school - a misogynistic shithole but apparently, they thought it was in my and my brother's interests. It wasn't even close but at least we got messed up well away from common state school kids. I then worked 40 years in the state school system and heard all this weasle word bullshit about choice, religion, values, blah, blah when everyone knew it was about CLASS. We still all do, the pollies do but wont admit it, the private school parents and older kids do but wont admit it. The people who are for a fair and equitable education system and opportunities for all kids - regardless of their parents resources, ambitions, prejudices and other assorted hang ups - have been pissing into the wind about it since Whitlam started the rot and Howard pressed the class nuke button.

This peanut who wont answer the question is just another typical 2 bob snob who dgaf about any kids but his own. Theyll be condemned to be the same one day.

 

[kranky al]

so your experience with one school can be extrapolated to all Govt schools? Right?

So tell me all about the disciplinary methods used to stop students being unruly in the other government schools?

I mean I’ve got friends who are teachers who tell me it’s the same wherever you go. If there are no consequences for bad behaviour, how does it stop? Do the kids just become model citizens via osmosis?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

So tell me all about the disciplinary methods used to stop students being unruly in the other government schools?

I mean I’ve got friends who are teachers who tell me it’s the same wherever you go. If there are no consequences for bad behaviour, how does it stop? Do the kids just become model citizens via osmosis?

probably the same as your private schools except they can't just give them the arse if they are naughty or slow and pack them off to a Govt school and forget about them. Great eh?

 

[Chief]

I find the insinuation that anyone who attends public school is considered by private school families to be “scum” to be offensive

Maybe it was a bit of hyperbole for effect?

 

[Sttew]

Maybe it was a bit of hyperbole for effect?

Yeah, nah! Not when the poster repeats the same thing over and over.

 

[kranky al]

probably the same as your private schools except they can't just give them the arse if they are naughty or slow and pack them off to a Govt school and forget about them. Great eh?

Probably the same?

See before I took my foster kid to private school I tried two years in the public system, attended every parent teacher meeting and even came in on days and watched the class from outside the classroom.

Kids would get up and misbehave, disrupt the class, walk outside other kids would join in with them.

At the meetings I was told xxxx would join in and sometimes instigate bad behaviour. I would say “if xxxx plays up call me or text me. If you can’t consequence him at school I will do so at home.” I had a raft of potential consequences from grounding to missing out on extra curricular activities, catching up on the work he missed at home, right up to spending the weekend working in the garden with me .

I got one phone call.

Once, out of all of those teachers I spoke to. EVERY SINGLE PARENT TEACHER MEETING
THEY WOULD TELL ME HE WASNT DOING HOMEWORK, WAS BEING DISRUPTIVE ETC - I’d ask - why didn’t you notify me?

Mumble mumble……nothing.

Now I get these folk are overworked, understaffed and have no levers to pull - but I gave them a lever - guaranteed consequence for bad behaviour was a text message away. These folk were burnt out and just doing the bare minimum.


Now this kid was bright af - was way ahead of his peers in smarts and was often bored in class as it was quite simple to him… he was doing algebra at home by year 7 .

Meanwhile I interviewed the private schools in town specifically on the disciplinary issue and chose one that had a specific ten step program for kids who were disruptive - an actual plan that was enforced and based on achieving self discipline via peer pressure with enforced discipline being the last resort…. But one they were unafraid to use and there were lines in the sand that triggered instant responses.

They had class monitors and year monitors and older kids who would mentor the younger kids - on top of that, if he didn’t do homework, the teacher would let me know straight up, the first few weeks he was there he got in trouble a lot - but it settled as their program worked on him, same as it worked on the other kids.

You go watch a class at this school and the kids aren’t acting up at all. There are consequences for bad behaviour.

Now I understand that it’s not a fair comparison, their class sizes were 10-15 students, the teachers are paid better - the facilities are better, they have spare teachers aids that can one on one instantly when a child isn’t responding.

If it were up to me kids education would be prioritised in the budget far more than it is and as I mentioned earlier - there would be no private school getting more than a public school in fed funding and a cutoff at a certain fee level.

I’d have class sizes at the little private school size etc.

But I’m not in power - can’t do any of that, I have an incredibly bright child who is stalled in the public system and flourished in the private system.

What exactly would you have me do different?

 

[treeebeard]

Probably the same?

See before I took my foster kid to private school I tried two years in the public system, attended every parent teacher meeting and even came in on days and watched the class from outside the classroom.

Kids would get up and misbehave, disrupt the class, walk outside other kids would join in with them.

At the meetings I was told xxxx would join in and sometimes instigate bad behaviour. I would say “if xxxx plays up call me or text me. If you can’t consequence him at school I will do so at home.” I had a raft of potential consequences from grounding to missing out on extra curricular activities, catching up on the work he missed at home, right up to spending the weekend working in the garden with me .

I got one phone call.

Once, out of all of those teachers I spoke to. EVERY SINGLE PARENT TEACHER MEETING
THEY WOULD TELL ME HE WASNT DOING HOMEWORK, WAS BEING DISRUPTIVE ETC - I’d ask - why didn’t you notify me?

Mumble mumble……nothing.

Now I get these folk are overworked, understaffed and have no levers to pull - but I gave them a lever - guaranteed consequence for bad behaviour was a text message away. These folk were burnt out and just doing the bare minimum.


Now this kid was bright af - was way ahead of his peers in smarts and was often bored in class as it was quite simple to him… he was doing algebra at home by year 7 .

Meanwhile I interviewed the private schools in town specifically on the disciplinary issue and chose one that had a specific ten step program for kids who were disruptive - an actual plan that was enforced and based on achieving self discipline via peer pressure with enforced discipline being the last resort…. But one they were unafraid to use and there were lines in the sand that triggered instant responses.

They had class monitors and year monitors and older kids who would mentor the younger kids - on top of that, if he didn’t do homework, the teacher would let me know straight up, the first few weeks he was there he got in trouble a lot - but it settled as their program worked on him, same as it worked on the other kids.

You go watch a class at this school and the kids aren’t acting up at all. There are consequences for bad behaviour.

Now I understand that it’s not a fair comparison, their class sizes were 10-15 students, the teachers are paid better - the facilities are better, they have spare teachers aids that can one on one instantly when a child isn’t responding.

If it were up to me kids education would be prioritised in the budget far more than it is and as I mentioned earlier - there would be no private school getting more than a public school in fed funding and a cutoff at a certain fee level.

I’d have class sizes at the little private school size etc.

But I’m not in power - can’t do any of that, I have an incredibly bright child who is stalled in the public system and flourished in the private system.

What exactly would you have me do different?

My kids go to public school and their friends from there are awesome. They have one or two private school friends also, who are borderline alcos, vapers and shoplifters.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Probably the same?

See before I took my foster kid to private school I tried two years in the public system, attended every parent teacher meeting and even came in on days and watched the class from outside the classroom.

Kids would get up and misbehave, disrupt the class, walk outside other kids would join in with them.

At the meetings I was told xxxx would join in and sometimes instigate bad behaviour. I would say “if xxxx plays up call me or text me. If you can’t consequence him at school I will do so at home.” I had a raft of potential consequences from grounding to missing out on extra curricular activities, catching up on the work he missed at home, right up to spending the weekend working in the garden with me .

I got one phone call.

Once, out of all of those teachers I spoke to. EVERY SINGLE PARENT TEACHER MEETING
THEY WOULD TELL ME HE WASNT DOING HOMEWORK, WAS BEING DISRUPTIVE ETC - I’d ask - why didn’t you notify me?

Mumble mumble……nothing.

Now I get these folk are overworked, understaffed and have no levers to pull - but I gave them a lever - guaranteed consequence for bad behaviour was a text message away. These folk were burnt out and just doing the bare minimum.


Now this kid was bright af - was way ahead of his peers in smarts and was often bored in class as it was quite simple to him… he was doing algebra at home by year 7 .

Meanwhile I interviewed the private schools in town specifically on the disciplinary issue and chose one that had a specific ten step program for kids who were disruptive - an actual plan that was enforced and based on achieving self discipline via peer pressure with enforced discipline being the last resort…. But one they were unafraid to use and there were lines in the sand that triggered instant responses.

They had class monitors and year monitors and older kids who would mentor the younger kids - on top of that, if he didn’t do homework, the teacher would let me know straight up, the first few weeks he was there he got in trouble a lot - but it settled as their program worked on him, same as it worked on the other kids.

You go watch a class at this school and the kids aren’t acting up at all. There are consequences for bad behaviour.

Now I understand that it’s not a fair comparison, their class sizes were 10-15 students, the teachers are paid better - the facilities are better, they have spare teachers aids that can one on one instantly when a child isn’t responding.

If it were up to me kids education would be prioritised in the budget far more than it is and as I mentioned earlier - there would be no private school getting more than a public school in fed funding and a cutoff at a certain fee level.

I’d have class sizes at the little private school size etc.

But I’m not in power - can’t do any of that, I have an incredibly bright child who is stalled in the public system and flourished in the private system.

What exactly would you have me do different?

nothing - except maybe not brand all public schools crap on the basis of one bad experience. I would simply have you pay more for you private choice and not expect me to contribute to it. That fair enough?

 

[Gralin]

People moving out of the public system takes pressure off the government for funding it properly or dealing with shortcomings because there is an "alternative"