Public vs Private School funding

[Bloods86]

Yep, and those people don’t deserve their child’s education partially subsidised by the government?

No-one is saying that.

It would be their choice to send their children to a self-funded or more self-funded school.

 

[Sttew]

No-one is saying that.

Plenty on this Board have said that!

 

[Bloods86]

Plenty on this Board have said that!

Who has said that there should be no government funding for school education?

 

[Sttew]

Who has said that there should be no government funding for school education?

The context was NOT "there should be no government funding for school education" but there should be no government funding for private school education

 

[Gralin]

The context was NOT "there should be no government funding for school education" but there should be no government funding for private school education

Correct if you choose to opt out of the public system you should be doing it without public money

 

[Bloods86]

The context was NOT "there should be no government funding for school education" but there should be no government funding for private school education

Nope. You just didn't read beyond the bit you quoted.

The context was about parents, even those who currently send kids to private schools, deserving subsidised education for their kids.

Of course they do.

And even if public funding were abolished for private schools completely or for those that charge more or considerably more than public funding levels per student, those same parents would be entitled to subsidised education at a public school. Or they could choose to self-fund their kids education further/might have to settle for a smaller gap in facilities etc.

 

[Sttew]

Nope. You just didn't read beyond the bit you quoted.

The context was about parents, even those who currently send kids to private schools, deserving subsidised education for their kids.

Of course they do.

And even if public funding were abolished for private schools completely or for those that charge more or considerably more than public funding levels per student, those same parents would be entitled to subsidised education at a public school. Or they could choose to self-fund their kids education further/might have to settle for a smaller gap in facilities etc.

I'm not going to enter into an inane back and forth with you, but you are wrong... again! 10571z was responding to a post of mine and you then quoted that response which was to do with the income breakdowns of families who send their kids to private schools.

 

[Sttew]

Correct if you choose to opt out of the public system you should be doing it without public money

That's where you and I differ philosophically. But you know that from previous posts so no need covering old territory.

 

[Gralin]

That's where you and I differ philosophically. But you know that from previous posts so no need covering old territory.

Yes you want money taken out of the public system to support your choice and I don't because unlike you I want kids to get a good education regardless of their parents wealth

 

[Bloods86]

I'm not going to enter into an inane back and forth with you, but you are wrong... again! 10571z was responding to a post of mine and you then quoted that response which was to do with the income breakdowns of families who send their kids to private schools.

Nope, the question I responded to was about those families not deserving subsidised education.

Which they do, just maybe not in the way you guys want, and I don't see anyone saying anything that they don't.

I pointed out in that same response it would be their choice to self-fund, it's not like some right/thing that is deserved is being taken from them.

 

[10571z]

Yes you want money taken out of the public system to support your choice and I don't because unlike you I want kids to get a good education regardless of their parents wealth

The said kids are getting a better education because there is less kids in the public school system.

That’s a fact. No money will magically appear if another 500,000 students do.

 

[10571z]

Do the anti private school people believe people using private hospitals shouldn’t able to use Medicare?

 

[Sttew]

Yes you want money taken out of the public system to support your choice and I don't because unlike you I want kids to get a good education regardless of their parents wealth

That presupposes all parents of kids at private school are "wealthy" which is a complete fallacy (it may be true for a select few, but not the vast majority) as borne out by statistics.

Your post also presupposes that money taken away from private schools would automatically be diverted to public schools in full, but that's another can of worms.

 

[Sttew]

Do the anti private school people believe people using private hospitals shouldn’t able to use Medicare?

Good question. No doubt the posters who want to "smash capitalism" would hold that view

 

[Bloods86]

Good question. No doubt the posters who want to "smash capitalism" would hold that view

There's probably a thread for it.

Absolutely crazy for people to advocate the removal/curbing of capitalistic aspects from luxury services such as children's education and healthcare.

 

[peetoo]

Do the anti private school people believe people using private hospitals shouldn’t able to use Medicare?

Try asking what you our health cover premiums would be if you don’t qualify for Medicare. It’s a different thing cos an individual uses both simultaneously

 

[10571z]

Try asking what you our health cover premiums would be if you don’t qualify for Medicare. It’s a different thing cos an individual uses both simultaneously

um yep that’s my point. You take away government funding from private schools many people would struggle to send their kids there. In turn putting further strain upon the public system.

 

[peetoo]

um yep that’s my point. You take away government funding from private schools many people would struggle to send their kids there. In turn putting further strain upon the public system.

It’s the opposite in fact. Private health insurance does not factor the heavy lifting in health terms. It’s rides on top of Medicare cover.

If you can only get private not Medicare. And some are in tis group, the premiums would be astronomical

 

[Reg Grundy35]

And a large percentage pf parents both work.

This claim that anyone attending private school must be wealthy is a fallacy. In 2021 10% of students in Independent Private schools were of low income (probably on scholarships), 13% were middle income and 25% high income. That doesn't include the Catholic sector which is also "private"

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blah blab blah. sorry but no one buys the private school parent martydom except others martyrs.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

um yep that’s my point. You take away government funding from private schools many people would struggle to send their kids there. In turn putting further strain upon the public system.

crap

 

[Reg Grundy35]

That's where you and I differ philosophically. But you know that from previous posts so no need covering old territory.

yes its clear your moralities differ

 

[Gralin]

The said kids are getting a better education because there is less kids in the public school system.

That’s a fact. No money will magically appear if another 500,000 students do.

Interesting so funding to schools isn't related to enrollments at all?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Good question. No doubt the posters who want to "smash capitalism" would hold that view

stupid question warranted a stupid answer i guess.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Interesting so funding to schools isn't related to enrollments at all?

some of the inanities these lobbyists post you’d hope they didnt pay too much for their educations.

 

[Gralin]

Do the anti private school people believe people using private hospitals shouldn’t able to use Medicare?

I don't believe education or healthcare should be for profit.

Both public services are negatively impacted by the private sectors existing and taking public funding