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Miller1971 said:
Facilities in QLD are driven by who can get a grant at the right time near an election, not by how well the club operates.

In fact, if you look at the biggest upgrades/grants and best facilities in the Brisbane region, they are mostly held by clubs who got themselves into so much strife due to poor management and performance, the clubs nearly folded before the giants grants came along and rescued them (not including Redcliffe in that, good club, new facility well deserved!)

Caboolture, Pine Rivers, Moggill, Kenmore etc have (or will have) facilities the envy of most QAFL/Div 1 clubs, and all done via massive grants the well run clubs could only dream of!
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You really are an imbecile
 
sadly in my experience, there is truth to some of that.

biggest grant we've ever had is $250k, I see clubs around the place announcing grants in the multiple millions of dollars and it astonishes me.

meanwhile, we're trying to upgrade our lights and have to pay for it ourselves.
 
Miller1971 said:
Facilities in QLD are driven by who can get a grant at the right time near an election, not by how well the club operates.

In fact, if you look at the biggest upgrades/grants and best facilities in the Brisbane region, they are mostly held by clubs who got themselves into so much strife due to poor management and performance, the clubs nearly folded before the giants grants came along and rescued them (not including Redcliffe in that, good club, new facility well deserved!)

Caboolture, Pine Rivers, Moggill, Kenmore etc have (or will have) facilities the envy of most QAFL/Div 1 clubs, and all done via massive grants the well run clubs could only dream of!
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Yeah thats a gross exaggeration with little to no proof attached to it. Obtaining grants is a skill in itself. Hinterland just received a massive one, are you saying they are mismanaged that have performed poorly recently?
 

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Thommo 42 said:
sadly in my experience, there is truth to some of that.

biggest grant we've ever had is $250k, I see clubs around the place announcing grants in the multiple millions of dollars and it astonishes me.

meanwhile, we're trying to upgrade our lights and have to pay for it ourselves.
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There is a little luck but alot of skill attached Thommo - Caloundra had tried numerous times before landing (hopefully) one from a state government promise based on ALP getting in there (which they did for the first time since 1906). Will go to lights / clubhouse. Most clubs try to write grants themselves - thats the first problem in my experience.
 
Miller1971 said:
Facilities in QLD are driven by who can get a grant at the right time near an election, not by how well the club operates.

In fact, if you look at the biggest upgrades/grants and best facilities in the Brisbane region, they are mostly held by clubs who got themselves into so much strife due to poor management and performance, the clubs nearly folded before the giants grants came along and rescued them (not including Redcliffe in that, good club, new facility well deserved!)

Caboolture, Pine Rivers, Moggill, Kenmore etc have (or will have) facilities the envy of most QAFL/Div 1 clubs, and all done via massive grants the well run clubs could only dream of!
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There is a big difference between grounds in the Brisbane Council area and those outside and the assistance they get from their councils, just have to see Redcliffes, Moreton Bays and Brendale the see what could be done. To grow the game all the grounds in BCC need to brought up to a minimum standard, which can be hard work for community clubs to get grants and I am not sure that AFLQ gets it or can pick winners.
 
smy1305 said:
For some reason it works really well in other parts of Aust. Clubs that were strong holds in metro Melb in the 80's and 90's are now in Div 3 whereas clubs that didnt even exist play premier league. As soon as you start mandating certain clubs have a right to stay in a competition then you dilute that comp in due course. Destination clubs arent necessarily about what comp clubs play in, more attractive is coaching, environment and facilities (coupled with remuneration and possible job opportunities).
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Im not disputing relegation can bring necessary change also, but i find it interesting to look at the QAFL clubs in the 80s 90s... Mayne, Coorparoo, etc, playing famous grand finals

Being a destination club is an advantage. We moved to 2 over a period of years as end of juniors loomed. The 1st was a friendly enough club, facilities and coaching were great, but their advertised 'junior development program' was abysmal. They were promoting kids to play in higher age groups when extra numbers were needed not for development, not on merit, but for example; 'so the boy could play with his brother'. They also ditched a parent who once played in the SANFL as the club began a policy of parents not coaching. That coach took the boys to a GF the previous year. The assistant coach and a long term member of the club was overlooked for coaching despite his experience also because he had a boy in the side. He very nearly left the club, both did. Thats why we left there. Wasnt a good 'vibe' by then. Great B&E Rolls though.

Next club was actually due to good coaching. Coach from the 1st club put us in contact with coach of 2nd club. Both had worked together as rep coaches. Facilities played no part.

Parents of talented kids leave clubs most often for opportunity. Usually that means a higher division. Thats how the big clubs stay big. They offer div1 teams, and have QAFL teams leading into seniors / u18s. Its going to magnify if the new 'community footy' dogma stays.

If the juniors competition stays like it is with a div1 'conference' league, and then everyone else in a bizarre soup of noncompetitive blowout rubbish 'community' 'zones' there will tend to be more 'talented player' inter club movement to the existing 'conference' clubs, as well as large groups of kids to that club trying to make the one team. (Siders had well over 70 boys in each age group before they had to start knocking kids back this year, largely because of the 'community footy' farce.). It will destroy small clubs. The big clubs will also win at the cash register with registrations, food/drink and apparel sales, grants due to their participant numbers, and ultimately get a stronger grip on their place in the QAFL as talent emerges from their juniors.

'Community' football instead of divisions will kill the football development and attraction of smaller and even what were once div 2 destinations. if you have a talented kid, you want them playing the best comp yeah? So thats where most of the talent will end up. Cant just be happy with div 2, there isnt one. Theres 2 choices, Its div1 (Conference) or kick n giggle (community).
 
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Thommo 42 said:
sadly in my experience, there is truth to some of that.

biggest grant we've ever had is $250k, I see clubs around the place announcing grants in the multiple millions of dollars and it astonishes me.

meanwhile, we're trying to upgrade our lights and have to pay for it ourselves.
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So you have lights ?
Did your ground not get ungraded leveled
And the council spend plenty on the entire paying surface?
You have a good clubhouse ?

Yes the ground next to you has had a huge
Grant approved and you would have to agree it's 20 years overdue?

ps I have seen your lights there not at the Gabba standard but there not bad either?
 
Qld footy fan said:
So you have lights ?
Did your ground not get ungraded leveled
And the council spend plenty on the entire paying surface?
You have a good clubhouse ?

Yes the ground next to you has had a huge
Grant approved and you would have to agree it's 20 years overdue?

ps I have seen your lights there not at the Gabba standard but there not bad either?
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Great new fence too eh?
 
smy1305 said:
Yeah thats a gross exaggeration with little to no proof attached to it. Obtaining grants is a skill in itself. Hinterland just received a massive one, are you saying they are mismanaged that have performed poorly recently?
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Clubs who roll up there sleeves with running their clubs to promote community standards, sharing facilities, writing grants and staying close to local members of government etc earn everything they get.
There is no exact science and definitely some luck in being in the right place at the right time but some clubs think they deserve whatever other clubs have earnt through their hard toil.
 
LaggingBehind said:
Clubs who roll up there sleeves with running their clubs to promote community standards, sharing facilities, writing grants and staying close to local members of government etc earn everything they get.
There is no exact science and definitely some luck in being in the right place at the right time but some clubs think they deserve whatever other clubs have earnt through their hard toil.
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yes, my wording probably a bit unfair. But just noticing massive grants for joints with facilities that are almost derelict and not fit for purpose, so obviously the govt comes in and see that and thinks there is a big shiny new upgraded needed. However, that derelict clubhouse or rooms were once shiny and new and if the club looked after them properly, then they would be in better shape!

Certainly the size of the user base should also play a part, after all - its community money, so makes sense it it would go to the place where more of the community gather and participate.
 
Miller1971 said:
yes, my wording probably a bit unfair. But just noticing massive grants for joints with facilities that are almost derelict and not fit for purpose, so obviously the govt comes in and see that and thinks there is a big shiny new upgraded needed. However, that derelict clubhouse or rooms were once shiny and new and if the club looked after them properly, then they would be in better shape!

Certainly the size of the user base should also play a part, after all - its community money, so makes sense it it would go to the place where more of the community gather and participate.
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So clubs that have had the same facilities for 40+ years that are worn down don’t need a grant to bring them up to speed? Families at those clubs are less deserving because they are at a smaller club who probably battle with numbers for volunteers, and often get stuck with committees of willing but unskilled people?
Better facilities help grow the game, every club should be entitled to them regardless of Fan the Mans opinions of them.
 
I dont get it with 'facilities'. I guess you all mean change rooms? Showers? Toilets?

I played senior RL and to be honest i cant remember worrying about where i put my bag, got changed, what the seats or floor was like, only if the showers were cold and we were muddy...

Todays fields rarely get muddy. Shower after the game not really necessary. Just towel off and drive home. We mostly showered and team bus would take us home. Showers i remember were open affairs where we'd all pile in together to try and get some water on you. No place for the shy.

As long as the hot water works, toilet flushes, and the joint is clean, who gives a shove about how fancy a dressing shed is?
 
Longy_Zillmere said:
So clubs that have had the same facilities for 40+ years that are worn down don’t need a grant to bring them up to speed? Families at those clubs are less deserving because they are at a smaller club who probably battle with numbers for volunteers, and often get stuck with committees of willing but unskilled people?
Better facilities help grow the game, every club should be entitled to them regardless of Fan the Mans opinions of them.
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Yes spot on. The size of the club shouldn't play a significant role, its about what impact that club can have on the greater community. Clubs who show a bit of community spirit will put selves in the mix alot of the time. Its why i laugh when I hear clubs applying for community grants and then spend 80% of their next years budget on player payments...
 

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Covertackle said:
I dont get it with 'facilities'. I guess you all mean change rooms? Showers? Toilets?

I played senior RL and to be honest i cant remember worrying about where i put my bag, got changed, what the seats or floor was like, only if the showers were cold and we were muddy...

Todays fields rarely get muddy. Shower after the game not really necessary. Just towel off and drive home. We mostly showered and team bus would take us home. Showers i remember were open affairs where we'd all pile in together to try and get some water on you. No place for the shy.

As long as the hot water works, toilet flushes, and the joint is clean, who gives a shove about how fancy a dressing shed is?
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Unfortunately when trying to attract people to your club these days it does make a difference. Especially when trying to get a girls team up and about. No different to going to the AFL - people wont tolerate standing on terraces in the rain, toilets over full with urine running over your feet, now it is everyone gets a comfortable seat with great viewing. Times have changed i Suppose.
 
stuyd1 said:
Any rumours on the Palm Beach coaching position . Rumours going around from down south that Darren Cresswsell is quitting his coaching position at Wangaratta Rovers and headed back to QLD ,,,!!
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No chance I just spoke to my mates at rovers and he’s telling them he is coaching in 2021 he has taken a few palm beach players down for 2021
 
goalkicker11 said:
I think they would cost a few but rovers have worked hard on getting locals back which helps with the points.
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Reckon their cross town rivals the magpies are looking alright too gk.Their ex captain coach like Morgan apparently moving up this way, have signed ex pie Ben Reid and their junior program pretty impressive from what my old o and m mates say!
 
John L said:
There is a big difference between grounds in the Brisbane Council area and those outside and the assistance they get from their councils, just have to see Redcliffes, Moreton Bays and Brendale the see what could be done. To grow the game all the grounds in BCC need to brought up to a minimum standard, which can be hard work for community clubs to get grants and I am not sure that AFLQ gets it or can pick winners.
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Try getting a grant or even any type of facility in Logan? Council well behind Moreton Shire, Gold Coast and Brisbane.

Like being a maiden against Winx😂
 

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