News & Events QLD Floods

[The Old Dark Navy's]

K Rudd handed out "42 billion" so we could all have new plasmas ... whilst the reasoning was (arguably) sound . its effect is immeasureable ... what is appropriate in this inst?

Irrelevant, we are talking about a one off donation into a fundraiser when the full extent of things is still not clear. You don't go shoving billions of dollars into another bodies coffers to do with as they see fit. You find out the costs and pay for it directly.

Broad picture ... Anna Bligh is dead in the water politically . View that footage again and tell me if you actually see a tear there . i happen to believe in another posters view that there is an element of deliberateness and oh so subtle manouvering , you'd be naive' to think that a politician would never behave in such a way . no one would ever admit it of course ... and the person who throws a dart will always be the villain . but anyone who understands human nature ...

Oh I understand human nature, but it isn't a one way street. You spot fake emotion, I spot misplaced cynicism.

Of course, she could engineer something like this to save her own hide politically. However there was nothing special about that moment, she hadn't been prone to being overly dramatic or emotional in any of the many press conferences before that, and hasn't since. She had a brief lapse, was noticeably fighting to pull it back and in fact did, with just a crackle in the voice and a little face contorting. This is exactly what a genuine moment would look like in most people on earth, but because she is politically screwed, we are supposed to believe she randomly inserted a stage managed act in amongst all of these media appearances.

Very easy for you to say it because 'no one would ever admit it' as you said, so you can go on saying it without conclusive evidence forever and a day.

This from a "carlton supporting mod"

Priceless

Relevance?

You take one comment of mine about Anna Bligh and all of a sudden you "percieve" to know everything about me and my views on the world .

Hilariously short-sighted .

Firstly, I said 'people'. Your comments certainly do reek of sniping with little understanding or empathy in regards to this matter however.

You may have noticed, the thread is about a natural disaster, not about having cheap shots at politicians. Some victims have actually taken solace in the way she has conducted herself as they feel she understands. You however want to tell them that it is all an act.

I don't know everything about you and never claimed I did. On this score though, you are just sounding like all the other political opportunists that search for something negative, maybe because they do not want this to boost the government of the day, maybe for other reasons. You will never admit it though ... sound familiar.

You have caravans on your front lawn? You have seen what is going on? You feel the emotion of this situation? Then, why on earth are you rewatching a video clip to try to interpret an emotional reaction from a state leader? This whole thing should be looked at through bipartisan eyes.

 

[year of the cat]

I assume that IDGAF is also critical at the perceived lack of compassion shown by Gillard?

 

[Chism]

Get out of the thread IDGAF you are just trolling and trying to bait others and be incredibly stupid about the whole situation.

 

[IDGAF]

Irrelevant, we are talking about a one off donation into a fundraiser when the full extent of things is still not clear. You don't go shoving billions of dollars into another bodies coffers to do with as they see fit. You find out the costs and pay for it directly.

hence the ? on the back of "inst"

Oh I understand human nature, but it isn't a one way street. You spot fake emotion, I spot misplaced cynicism.

Of course, she could engineer something like this to save her own hide politically. However there was nothing special about that moment, she hadn't been prone to being overly dramatic or emotional in any of the many press conferences before that, and hasn't since. She had a brief lapse, was noticeably fighting to pull it back and in fact did, with just a crackle in the voice and a little face contorting. This is exactly what a genuine moment would look like in most people on earth, but because she is politically screwed, we are supposed to believe she randomly inserted a stage managed act in amongst all of these media appearances.

misplaced cynicism ? ... maybe

Very easy for you to say it because 'no one would ever admit it' as you said, so you can go on saying it without conclusive evidence forever and a day.

Not going to go on about it , i'm not that passionate about politics to be compleyely truthful , fact is i don't vote for a couple of personal reasons but that is completely irrelevent to this thread ... but the point is made to give you an idea where the cynicism comes from

Relevance?

Cheap , football related potshot made a little out of place admitedly ... ivory towers an' all

Firstly, I said 'people'. Your comments certainly do reek of sniping with little understanding or empathy in regards to this matter however.

No it dosn't ... it is a mere comment on one very small isolated moment from a polly ... does not represent my sentiments and feelings at all to do with the whole disaster

You may have noticed, the thread is about a natural disaster, not about having cheap shots at politicians. Some victims have actually taken solace in the way she has conducted herself as they feel she understands. You however want to tell them that it is all an act.

Relevence to the thread ? ... Debateable ... but these are issues for your modships to worry about , that i understand

I don't know everything about you and never claimed I did. On this score though, you are just sounding like all the other political opportunists that search for something negative, maybe because they do not want this to boost the government of the day, maybe for other reasons. You will never admit it though ... sound familiar.

I don't have political undertones . As i have already underlined i don't care much for politics

You have caravans on your front lawn? You have seen what is going on? You feel the emotion of this situation? Then, why on earth are you rewatching a video clip to try to interpret an emotional reaction from a state leader? This whole thing should be looked at through bipartisan eyes.

I'm not re-watching it ... they loop it over and over every half hour (save the whole media debate when the dust has settled.... i would love to quote some of Maynards lyrics from "vicarious")

But you're completely correct . for now it should be seen through bi-partisan eyes . But the temptation on what is an open forum So much i could say , but another time .

hundreds of thousands of people need help and that is what is most critical

 

[Slax]

Emergency services needs to be re-hauled especially if we are to carry sich a small army size.

You dont sandbag for floods like the one in Grantham. You get them the F out of there and Im talking about a precise and organised evacuation beyond a door knock appeal.

So are you willing to pay more taxes to cover the cost of increasing the size of the emergency services, because obviously you don't volunteer.

doing an over-haul of emergency services will achieve nothing unless you increase the overall number employed it is a fruitless exercise. Also increasing the number as a knee-jerk reaction to a single major flood is a waste of resources.

In Grantham you could get people out because there was that little warning it was going to hit that there was nothing anyone could really do but pray. By the time you could of organise a bus the water had hit and then it's pointless. The Grantham situation is impossible to plan for, so you just have to hope the damage is as small as possible.

Ultimately the bolded part is one of my biggest issues of all. The town planning and lack of foresight has bit them on the ass big time and while Im being a tad harsh on the current administration they sure as hell need to step up and explain some of the decisions made by those before them

In response to 1974 Wivehoe dam was built by Joh and the flood capacity of Somerset and North Pine was increased. Most people, including scientists, thought that having a flood capacity of 1.5M megalitres would protect Brisbane from a major flood.

 

[IDGAF]

In Grantham you could get people out because there was that little warning it was going to hit that there was nothing anyone could really do but pray. By the time you could of organise a bus the water had hit and then it's pointless. The Grantham situation is impossible to plan for, so you just have to hope the damage is as small as possible.

100% correct ... freak occurance that no form of disaster plan could deal with or predict

 

[swiftdog]

in response to this bit of tripe...


I give you this bit of gold from TLC

the tsunami killed 200,000 people, displaced 1.7 mill, pakistan was over 2000 dead and 1.9 mil homes destroyed and 4 mil people with food shortage.. Not to mention the disease that followed. We have world clas insurance, sanitation, monetary assistance and above the $1 mill including possible govt buy out of destroyed homes, over $40 mil in donations.... only 15 confirmed dead... maybe we should pull our head out of our arses

Facebook bishes are generally dumb as ****...

i also laugh at a majority of the keyboard heroes out there that think this is all the govt fault, when if you had an inkling of a brain it'd be clear to see it is far from...

Posted for truth.

It's horrible what's happening but the amount of cringeworthy stuff that's posted on facebook is astounding. It just aggravates me when I see constant statues updates like "omg these floods are so sad. I feel so sorry etc etc", usually from the stuck-up types that only care about themselves. Can't help but feel they're just using it to give themselves more attention and to show everyone how "loving and caring" they are (that said i'm sure they do actually care a little about what's happening but I think we all know the type of person i'm describing).

 

[Ghostwriter]

Sounds like the Wivenhoe Dam almost let go, talk about the ghost in the machine, Anna Bligh was saying just then that the dam has a release mechanism which would've automatically released water with the engineers being unable to control the release. That's scary stuff right there, wonder if we'll ever find out the truth?

 

[IDGAF]

Sounds like the Wivenhoe Dam almost let go, talk about the ghost in the machine, Anna Bligh was saying just then that the dam has a release mechanism which would've automatically released water with the engineers being unable to control the release. That's scary stuff right there, wonder if we'll ever find out the truth?

Thats pretty scary

It would actually be a pretty interesting hypothetical as to how high the water would have gone should the dam have not been there

 

[AG]

Bull sharks being spotted now. One might get stranded in a pool of water somewhere.

 

[frankrizzo]

Thats pretty scary

It would actually be a pretty interesting hypothetical as to how high the water would have gone should the dam have not been there

Far higher than 74 that's for sure, places like where i live(murarrie) would have gone from having some minor flood damage to being wiped off the map.

 

[Coledinho]

So are you willing to pay more taxes to cover the cost of increasing the size of the emergency services, because obviously you don't volunteer.

doing an over-haul of emergency services will achieve nothing unless you increase the overall number employed it is a fruitless exercise. Also increasing the number as a knee-jerk reaction to a single major flood is a waste of resources.

In Grantham you could get people out because there was that little warning it was going to hit that there was nothing anyone could really do but pray. By the time you could of organise a bus the water had hit and then it's pointless. The Grantham situation is impossible to plan for, so you just have to hope the damage is as small as possible.


In response to 1974 Wivehoe dam was built by Joh and the flood capacity of Somerset and North Pine was increased. Most people, including scientists, thought that having a flood capacity of 1.5M megalitres would protect Brisbane from a major flood.

I dont volunteer because I have severe spinal problems. If I thought I could help I certainly would. As for the tax part id happily divert money away from other sectors (ie. buying helicopters that dont work) and put it into a more practical sector such as emergency services

Increase based on one incident? Someones forgotten about the Victorian bushfires very quickly.

Do a bit of research into the New Orleans evacuation. Im talking the initial first 3 hour response put in place not the shitstorm that brewed up afterwards. Australia should have a plan/system like this established. I fail to see how in over 180 minutes (the warning that we had) we cant evacuate a town of around 35 000 people when in the New Orleans they were able to evacuate ten times that figure with relative ease in a shorter time frame.

Maybe if we deployed more than 600 troops (maximum allowed for the highest natural disaster rating in our system) we could have a system that would evacuate our own as opposed to leaving it up to their own fruition. Im not sure you have heard the story about the 81 year old in Grantham (not 100% sure on town location, but think it was Grantham or Goodiwindi) who had a door knocker but no form of transportation out of her home where they were left to unfortunately drown. Its this kind of thing I find unacceptable.

Surely you can see the anarchist "fend for yourself" style of problem solving is just not a logical way to handle it. Maybe instead of repeating the errors made we can actually produce a system which doesnt make the same mistake time and time again...

 

[frankrizzo]

In response to 1974 Wivehoe dam was built by Joh and the flood capacity of Somerset and North Pine was increased. Most people, including scientists, thought that having a flood capacity of 1.5M megalitres would protect Brisbane from a major flood.

Well it did it's job and has several times since it was built, this was a truly amazing and unusual amount of rain in a small period.

What is worrying is that some experts(and the liberal national party) just last year wanted to stop all releases from wivenhoe and lower the flood barrier so we could have more drinking water.

If that action had been put in place many many more people would be dead now.

 

[Coledinho]

Well it did it's job and has several times since it was built, this was a truly amazing and unusual amount of rain in a small period.

What is worrying is that some experts(and the liberal national party) just last year wanted to stop all releases from wivenhoe and lower the flood barrier so we could have more drinking water.

If that action had been put in place many many more people would be dead now.

My issue is with town planning, building on flood plains and pretty much completely ignoring the events of 1974 when preparing for the future. They certainly owe a explanation in that regard

 

[Coledinho]

Am I the only one who finds the whole "celebrity auctions" campaign a tad pretentious. Its come from the Bono style of charity. Talking is better than doing.

Id have MUCH more respect if they gave up their time AND their own pay packets. A bloke like Andrew Bogut will earn 50,000 AUD (current bid) in 6 days. Would like to see him match the bidders bid and I guess prove me wrong

 

[HSSB]

Am I the only one who finds the whole "celebrity auctions" campaign a tad pretentious. Its come from the Bono style of charity. Talking is better than doing.

Id have MUCH more respect if they gave up their time AND their own pay packets. A bloke like Andrew Bogut will earn 50,000 AUD (current bid) in 6 days. Would like to see him match the bidders bid and I guess prove me wrong

Bogut could give up his pay packet but definately not his time, NBA schedule is always packed

 

[Coledinho]

Bogut could give up his pay packet but definately not his time, NBA schedule is always packed

Have you seen his auction. Hes giving up a bit of his time (ie. a dinner), but in reality id have much more respect if he just gave up a weeks paypacket and went on with his business.

The whole celebrity auction euphoria atm seems to be 40% chairty, 60% ego boost which isnt the right way to go about it

 

[Plugger35]

Yeah I don't know why celebrities can't just donate to charities like everyone else without making a big song and dance about it by having auctions and stuff. It's like they have to make sure everyone knows they are doing something.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Yeah I don't know why celebrities can't just donate to charities like everyone else without making a big song and dance about it by having auctions and stuff. It's like they have to make sure everyone knows they are doing something.

Because it draws a hell of a lot of public attention. Meaning more attention is drawn to the fact people have to donate. Which gets more people donating.

Far out, people do good things and BF rips them to shreds.

 

[HSSB]

Have you seen his auction. Hes giving up a bit of his time (ie. a dinner), but in reality id have much more respect if he just gave up a weeks paypacket and went on with his business.

The whole celebrity auction euphoria atm seems to be 40% chairty, 60% ego boost which isnt the right way to go about it

Yeah but a dinner will take up just 1 night off. Good point though, I don't have a problem with the celebs auctioning stuff off, it gives the general public a once in a lifetime experiance and an chance to donate heaps to a great cause

 

[Marklar_33]

Yeah I don't know why celebrities can't just donate to charities like everyone else without making a big song and dance about it by having auctions and stuff. It's like they have to make sure everyone knows they are doing something.

Cant win, really. Imagine if all these high-paid folk donated anonymously, then you'd get heaps of people saying "Why dont these guys help out?"

You gives a rats how it comes, as long as it gets to the people in need

 

[The Passenger]

i would be very suprised if the celebreties who do these auction don't put some sort of donation towards whatever the cause is. it would be pretty ordinary if they didn't IMO.

The whole celebrity auction euphoria atm seems to be 40% chairty, 60% ego boost which isnt the right way to go about it

after michael schumacher donated 10mil to the tsunami relief the rumour floating around was that he spent roughly the same amount to promote the fact he had donated that money... don't know how true it is. also don't know how it would cost that amounts of money to promote the fact. an announcment on his web site would surely do the job...

 

[lemon chicken]

Bump.

So is there a lot of deaf people living in QLD? Can't recall our Premier ever having the sign language people stand next to him at a press conference.

 

[FlyingBurittoBro]

Bump.

So is there a lot of deaf people living in QLD? Can't recall our Premier ever having the sign language people stand next to him at a press conference.

yeah bligh did the same thing last time this shit happened.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Was quite necessary for Newman to announce on TV that he was going home to write out a personal cheque towards the flood fund.