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Hall isnt a FF though. Pavlich isnt a FF though. If your gonna pull stats please next time get stats from the same position. Gehrig is a very similiar player to Lynch. Brad Johnson is not.

Leading goal kickers.

As I said..Lynch is constantly referred to as a 60 goal a season player, who was one of the highest goal scorers in season 2006.
 
Leading goal kickers.

As I said..Lynch is constantly referred to as a 60 goal a season player, who was one of the highest goal scorers in season 2006.

So only leading goalkickers in top 8 teams regardless of the position they play?. What a stupid way of gathering stats. If you get solely FF you will see that most have similiar differences as Lynch. Its much easier to go missing at FF then it is at CHF in a game. Fact
 
For a while now I have been calling big Lynch a fair weathered player...So I thought it was time to find some hard evidence to back it up (other than what I have witnessed)

Statistics are wonderful aren't they sabre. You can use them to represent many different points of view, you can even claim they are 'hard evidence' if you over simplify a situation enough.:)

Here are some more stats:

R1-5, WCE won 5/5 games and kicked 76 goals. Lynch kicked 5 goals, 6.6% of the team's total.

R6-10, WCE won 4/5 games and kicked 73 goals. Lynch kicked 11 goals, 15.1% of the team's total.

R11-15 WCE won 3/5 games and kicked 58 goals. Lynch kicked 12 goals, 20.7% of the team's total.

R16-20 WCE won 4/5 games and kicked 83 goals. Lynch 19 goals, 22.9% of the team's total.

R21-GF WCE won 4/6 games and kicked 85 goals. Lynch 18 goals, 21.2% of the team's total.

Overall, WCE 20/26, 375 goals. Lynch 65 goals, 17.3% of total.

I would have thought a 5/5 or even a 9/10 start would be the perfect time to kick a few bags for a fairweather player.:rolleyes:

It is true that Lynch averaged less goals per game in our losses than our wins, but it should also be noted West Coast averaged 4.5 goals less per game in losses than wins.

Interestingly, in the four matches where West Coast kicked less than 10 goals (1 win, 3 losses) Lynch kicked 6 of 33 goals, which is 18.2% of the team's total, higher than his season average.
 

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For a while now I have been calling big Lynch a fair weathered player...So I thought it was time to find some hard evidence to back it up (other than what I have witnessed)

I took some of the top goal scorers from the top 8 (Of the top 10 goal scorers) and did some calculations of Goals/Marks when the team wins vs Goals/Marks when the team loses.

This is what I came up with:

Lynch
Goals: 1.2 goals, Marks: 4.6 marks (When team lost)
Goals: 3.4 , Marks : 7.23 (When team won)

Hall
Goals: 3 goals, Marks: 7.2 (when team lost)
Goals: 3.8, Marks: 11 (when team won)

Johnson
Goals: 3.5, Marks: 6.8 (When team won)
Goals: 3.2, Marks: 8.6 (When team lost)

Neitz
Goals: 2.3, Marks: 3.3 (When team lost)
Goals: 3.4, Marks: 4.2 (When team won)

Riewoldt
Goals: 2.2, Marks: 10.9 (When team lost)
Goals: 3.0, Marks: 10.35 (When team won)

Pavlich
Goals: 2, Marks: 7.28 (When team lost)
Goals: 3.8, Marks: 9.6 (When team won)

Drop off ladder

Goals or marks when team wins / goals or marks scored when teams loose

Marks
Lynch: 1.57
Hall: 1.52
Pavlich: 1.3
Neitz: 1.27
Johnson: 1.26
Riewoldt: 0.95

Goals
Lynch: 2.83
Pavlich: 1.9
Neitz: 1.47
Riewoldt: 1.36
Hall: 1.26
Johnson: 0.91

While he made big steps in season 20076 which as partly due to his own form and of course the eagle midfield...He still goes missing when the blow torch is applied.

Also remains the teams barometer (For embers)

As far as season 2007 goes? Who knows

Nice work There Sabre,

Didn't know this post caused so much angst :).



Originally Posted by Bestbird
Murphy is an interesting one. 9 of his 22 goals for the season were in the 2 games against Carlton and Essendon after round 13 when both were in "Bryce Gibbs mode".

http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282934&page=4


And your use of stats is dodgy at best anyway

Lynch proved his no fair weather player by performing when it really counts.


In the Finals.
 
According to the Freo trolls our forwardline is the worst in the league and if Lynch went down we wouldn't make finals, so unlike the others he has to deal with getting no back up and all the attention from the opposition's defense.

Lynch - leading goalkicker of the 2006 finals series. How many did say, Jeff Famer (the best small forward in the country according to the Tarrant/ Croad thread :eek: ) kick? Fairweather performer if there ever was one.
 
Poor Lynchy can't win can he? In 2005 he was bagged for not being able to mark or kick, now he's being bagged for going missing in games we lost.

Good attempt at a troll sabre, but the fact is Lynchy booted 65 goals for the season and 3 in the one game of the year that matters.

Oh, and Lynch >>>>>>>> Murphy. :)
 
I reckon he is a DUD. My Great Grandfather would have kicked 50 goals this year for the Eagles. Look at the delivery and the form of the team.

Lynch is a HACK and if he played in a bottom 8 side wouldn't get a game.

We should've rookie listed your gramps years ago, as nobody other than Matera has been able to hit the 60 goal mark at our club for quite some time. Your gramps could've kicked 12-15 goals against your mob this year, instead of Lynch's lazy 8 (or whatever it was).
 

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For a while now I have been calling big Lynch a fair weathered player...So I thought it was time to find some hard evidence to back it up (other than what I have witnessed)

I took some of the top goal scorers from the top 8 (Of the top 10 goal scorers) and did some calculations of Goals/Marks when the team wins vs Goals/Marks when the team loses.

This is what I came up with:

Lynch
Goals: 1.2 goals, Marks: 4.6 marks (When team lost)
Goals: 3.4 , Marks : 7.23 (When team won)

Hall
Goals: 3 goals, Marks: 7.2 (when team lost)
Goals: 3.8, Marks: 11 (when team won)

Johnson
Goals: 3.5, Marks: 6.8 (When team won)
Goals: 3.2, Marks: 8.6 (When team lost)

Neitz
Goals: 2.3, Marks: 3.3 (When team lost)
Goals: 3.4, Marks: 4.2 (When team won)

Riewoldt
Goals: 2.2, Marks: 10.9 (When team lost)
Goals: 3.0, Marks: 10.35 (When team won)

Pavlich
Goals: 2, Marks: 7.28 (When team lost)
Goals: 3.8, Marks: 9.6 (When team won)

Drop off ladder

Goals or marks when team wins / goals or marks scored when teams loose

Marks
Lynch: 1.57
Hall: 1.52
Pavlich: 1.3
Neitz: 1.27
Johnson: 1.26
Riewoldt: 0.95

Goals
Lynch: 2.83
Pavlich: 1.9
Neitz: 1.47
Riewoldt: 1.36
Hall: 1.26
Johnson: 0.91

While he made big steps in season 20076 which as partly due to his own form and of course the eagle midfield...He still goes missing when the blow torch is applied.

Also remains the teams barometer (For embers)

As far as season 2007 goes? Who knows

So what you are saying is that the biggest "drop off" player in terms of marks were in order the key marking forwards for the teams that finished 1,2 & 3 and in terms of goals they were the teams that finsihed 1,3, 4, 6, 2 & 8..

Hmm, perhaps the real issue here is that top sides have a tendency to win more games, flog sides in those wins and therefore flatter their forwards at times, whereas in tighter/losing contests they dont.

This applies to all sides in the top few not just WC. In addition, of the forwards listed only one is an emerging young player who was laughed at in pre-season when it was suggested that he would be FF in a premiership team.

Good stuff as always Sabre :thumbsu:
 
For a while now I have been calling big Lynch a fair weathered player...So I thought it was time to find some hard evidence to back it up (other than what I have witnessed)

I took some of the top goal scorers from the top 8 (Of the top 10 goal scorers) and did some calculations of Goals/Marks when the team wins vs Goals/Marks when the team loses.

This is what I came up with:

Lynch
Goals: 1.2 goals, Marks: 4.6 marks (When team lost)
Goals: 3.4 , Marks : 7.23 (When team won)

Hall
Goals: 3 goals, Marks: 7.2 (when team lost)
Goals: 3.8, Marks: 11 (when team won)

Johnson
Goals: 3.5, Marks: 6.8 (When team won)
Goals: 3.2, Marks: 8.6 (When team lost)

Neitz
Goals: 2.3, Marks: 3.3 (When team lost)
Goals: 3.4, Marks: 4.2 (When team won)

Riewoldt
Goals: 2.2, Marks: 10.9 (When team lost)
Goals: 3.0, Marks: 10.35 (When team won)

Pavlich
Goals: 2, Marks: 7.28 (When team lost)
Goals: 3.8, Marks: 9.6 (When team won)

Drop off ladder

Goals or marks when team wins / goals or marks scored when teams loose

Marks
Lynch: 1.57
Hall: 1.52
Pavlich: 1.3
Neitz: 1.27
Johnson: 1.26
Riewoldt: 0.95

Goals
Lynch: 2.83
Pavlich: 1.9
Neitz: 1.47
Riewoldt: 1.36
Hall: 1.26
Johnson: 0.91

While he made big steps in season 20076 which as partly due to his own form and of course the eagle midfield...He still goes missing when the blow torch is applied.

Also remains the teams barometer (For embers)

As far as season 2007 goes? Who knows

Great analysis....I'd also like to know how many goals Lynch has kicked in the last quarter of games that were stitched up by three quarter time....??

From memory - and this is based on no evidence at all - he seemed to always snag a couple of late "bombs" once the result was beyond doubt to add to the couple of points or 1 or 2 goals he kicked from the outset....
 
Id like to see Lynch at a club where there isn't the midfield dominance as there is at West Coast. He would be a very different player.
 
I see a lot of similarities between Lynch and Scott Cummings. fair weather players. One good season, one bad. Wouldn't surprise me if Lynch struggled in 2007. Not a natural footballer.
having said that, he has certainly improved and I take my hat off to him for that. I just don't believe he will be around for the long haul.
 
Id like to see Lynch at a club where there isn't the midfield dominance as there is at West Coast. He would be a very different player.

Our midfield is good but it wouldnt matter which team Lynch played for IMO. Our team doesnt kick to Lynch as much as for example Bulldogs kick it to Johnson. Nowhere near as much. Pull up the goal assits stat too. Lynch dominates it, in fact none of the players sabre compared are even close to Lynch in the goal assist stat. A full forward who sets up goals. The midfield doesnt help you do this



The fact Sabre is failing to compare Lynch to actual FFs in the game shows that he is infact talking crap. Its a clear troll
 
Our midfield is good but it wouldnt matter which team Lynch played for IMO. Our team doesnt kick to Lynch as much as for example Bulldogs kick it to Johnson. Nowhere near as much. Pull up the goal assits stat too. Lynch dominates it, in fact none of the players sabre compared are even close to Lynch in the goal assist stat. A full forward who sets up goals. The midfield doesnt help you do this

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Can i just ask you somthing? Who do you think gets it down to Lynch? Id say 7 or 8 times out of 10 you used Lynch as a target this year.

The bulldogs dont always kick to johnson there main goal scorers are often shared amongst the midfield much like yourselfs.

I agree though i wouldn't call him a full foward his much like a Tredrea in a way, that he relies on the midfield to perform and plays in a similar position.
 
Can i just ask you somthing? Who do you think gets it down to Lynch? Id say 7 or 8 times out of 10 you used Lynch as a target this year.

Not true. We play wide and we run it into the forward line using handballs rather then just bombing it in. I believe Embley was our number one target for some reason . Lynch scored alot of goals from outside 50. He gets his own goals. Infact he kicked something like 22 goals in just open play out of his 65.

Lynch racked up 20+ possessions many of a time. He sets up our forward line thrusts more then most of our midfielders infact
 
Can i just ask you somthing? Who do you think gets it down to Lynch? Id say 7 or 8 times out of 10 you used Lynch as a target this year.

The bulldogs dont always kick to johnson there main goal scorers are often shared amongst the midfield much like yourselfs.

I agree though i wouldn't call him a full foward his much like a Tredrea in a way, that he relies on the midfield to perform and plays in a similar position.

Similiar position. Tredrea played FF when?
 
As I said, Lynch averaged 17.3% of the total number of goals scored per game by West Coast (a team that averaged over 15 goals a week for 26 weeks) in 2006. In the four matches where West Coast kicked less than 10 goals (1 win, 3 losses) Lynch averaged 18.2% of the team's total number of goals scored per game.

sabre_ac said:
Hey I stepped up to the plate and backed up my claims.

Are you sure?
 

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