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Free Agency with the same salary cap in place would be fine. Base it on the NFL model with different levels of free agency to allow clubs some sort of protection for their top players (Franchise tags, TFAs, RFAs, EFAs).

In response Mental Magpie, your idea that less teams, no cap, more players per team and free agency, is ridiculous. Less teams equals less games. T.V stations are not going to pay more for less product. Look at the AFL's theory that the two new teams will probably push the next rights deal over $1b. What will happen if there is less games played per week and over the season as a whole. If the AFL is thinking more games=more $$$, than the opposite to that would be less games=less $$$. You say that people will watch because of the increased quality but the quality is all relative. In the new "EPL" AFL last versus second last would generate the same amount of interest as 15th versus 16th in the current AFL. Last in the "EPL" AFL would be seen in the same light as Melbourne is this year.

No cap means player wages will increase, whilst the T.V money theoretically will not. Not only will player wages increase, expanded lists means the total money clubs pay on lists would also rise. This all in the face of less T.V money and gate revenues from less games being played over the year. Say the Dogs, Roos, Dees & Saints went out of existence in the "EPL" AFL, most supporters would not follow the remaining teams in the streamlined AFL, or if they did, not with the same passion. That is almost 120,000 memberships per year lost, not to mention non members of those clubs. You would be lucky to convert 10% of those into paying members of the remaining clubs within 5 years of the loss of teams. Your less is more approach has serious flaws in it, because the remaining clubs will have the shoulder the burden of increases in wages on top of an increase of the lists, with very little new money coming into the game.

Finally, the introduction of free agency with no salary cap. That will send clubs broke quciker than the current system, because as history has shown, clubs cannot help themselves, even WITH a salary cap and restricted player movement. Imagine how bad they would go without the AFL regulating how much they can spend and no restrictions on who they can chase. Look at the '80s with no salary cap. Collingwood was close to going under in 1986 iirc, almost as bad as we were in 1989, 96 & 02.

The reality is that the way things are now are as close to as good as it can get.
 
Then why is Tassie going full tilt trying to convince the AFL to give them the next licence? So they can go belly up? Don't think so!

The AFL is indeed growing at a fantastic rate. Kudos to the AFL for having the foresight to expand the league by including WA, SA, NSW, QLD.

What they didn't do is take into account how many Victorian fans have left the game due to being alienated and disgusted at where tha game is heading. All about money and don't worry about the little bloke.

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't give a rat's about the little bloke, or the alienated fans.

I'm just sick and tired of a seriously flawed competition.

to swap it for a comp that would be at least as flawed if not more so.


The EPL is seriously unbalanced. 4 clubs have a hope of winning it. others aim for EUFA Cup and the rest hope to survive (often literally). YAY. That's fun.

WCE become the Man U as they will have a lot of money, Carlton = Chelsea ie v rich owner. Adelaide/Essendon = Arsenal, Collingwood = Liverpool (lots of supporters but no recent success)


the other 4 remaining clubs, those that survive play off for last. The comp lasts 15 weeks, with 3 weeks of finals. 4 games a week. 1 game a week might be worth watching the other 3 games will be blowouts. woohoo.

I for one don't want to see that and i suspect i'm in the majority.


and if you want to go back to the VFL, it's on every week, knock yourself out.
 
Why will more people want to pay for less product?
malph mate there is no point arguing with this fella. mental magpie has got it in his head that the salary cap should go. i don't know how he figures the talent pool would grow, more money would come in... but anyway, some people can't see the logic of what the salary cap is achieving.

the idea of salary cap-less competition is obviousbly flawed and unsustainable. look at european soccer with how little competition there is in the big leagues. they might like it that way, but i can't see australian people getting on board a competition where only 3-4 teams have a chance of winning each year.
 

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if an employer wants to say we only have 8 million to spend on wages then they should have every right to do so.

i want my employer to give me more money but he won't.

i can either put up with it or get another job

**** restraint of trade, since when were courts the handmaidens of economic philosophy

and why can't the argument be put that no salary cap is a restraint of trade for the AFL?
dumbest post ever.
 
Sure makes you glad we've got a local code. Although, if the salary cap was removed in the AFL people like Dick Pratt would have nothing in there way to poach the best players for truckloads of cash. Do not underestimate the potential effect if SBW is successful.
 
Sure makes you glad we've got a local code. Although, if the salary cap was removed in the AFL people like Dick Pratt would have nothing in there way to poach the best players for truckloads of cash. Do not underestimate the potential effect if SBW is successful.
that just made me think of something.

people have mentioned that the only thing that can remove the salary cap is the AFLPA challenging the cap (next to never going to happen), or an individual player taking it on (more likely but still needs someone with balls).

but the most likely scenario is a multi milllionare or billionaire backing a club and getting pissed off that he can't sign players that he wants too and therefore challenging it.

what are the two main things stopping an individual player taking the cap on:

1 - not enough money to mount the challenge
2 - pride in the sport and not wanting to possibly be known as the man who ruined a sport forever

neither of them would apply to a backer of a club. perhaps the second one does if they were passionate about the sport but if all they were interested in was signing up some hot shot players, winning flags and getting shitloads of sponsorship to make some $$$.... well then there's nothing to stop them mounting a legal challenge of the cap.
 
Sure makes you glad we've got a local code. Although, if the salary cap was removed in the AFL people like Dick Pratt would have nothing in there way to poach the best players for truckloads of cash. Do not underestimate the potential effect if SBW is successful.

1. He won't be successful because it'll never go that far.
2. If it did, then to affect us, someone has to challenge. That club/person will be an outcast. The clubs will meet and have a gentleman's agreement in place. They will know that challenging the draft will be selfish and detrimental to the game.

I don't think we have anything to worry about. Everyone has known fr years that it could be challenged and no one has dared to challenge it.
 
In response Mental Magpie, your idea that less teams, no cap, more players per team and free agency, is ridiculous. Less teams equals less games. T.V stations are not going to pay more for less product. Look at the AFL's theory that the two new teams will probably push the next rights deal over $1b. What will happen if there is less games played per week and over the season as a whole. If the AFL is thinking more games=more $$$, than the opposite to that would be less games=less $$$. You say that people will watch because of the increased quality but the quality is all relative. In the new "EPL" AFL last versus second last would generate the same amount of interest as 15th versus 16th in the current AFL. Last in the "EPL" AFL would be seen in the same light as Melbourne is this year.

We currently play 22 games with 16 sides in the comp. A 12 team competition where everyone plays eachother twice = 22 games. Amazing that! And guess what; a 14 team comp where teams play twice = 26 games!
 
In response Mental Magpie, your idea that less teams, no cap, more players per team and free agency, is ridiculous. Less teams equals less games. T.V stations are not going to pay more for less product. Look at the AFL's theory that the two new teams will probably push the next rights deal over $1b. What will happen if there is less games played per week and over the season as a whole. If the AFL is thinking more games=more $$$, than the opposite to that would be less games=less $$$. You say that people will watch because of the increased quality but the quality is all relative. In the new "EPL" AFL last versus second last would generate the same amount of interest as 15th versus 16th in the current AFL. Last in the "EPL" AFL would be seen in the same light as Melbourne is this year.

We currently play 22 games with 16 sides in the comp. A 12 team competition where everyone plays eachother twice = 22 games. Amazing that! And guess what; a 14 team comp where teams play twice = 26 games!
Yes each of the 12 teams play 22 games H&A, but there is only 6 games per round which is less.
 
I don't think that it is just the salary cap that is at stake here. Williams is PART of the way through a multiyear contract with the Bulldogs and wants to get out of it because he got a good offer from elsewhere. As far as I know the Bulldogs have honoured their side of the deal thus far (Slightly different in the Mark Gasnier case, as there is dispute about this point) so WHY can Williams just ignore a contract that he signed and walk out on his employer ? Potentially, if Williams is allowed to just walk off to French Rugby Union and the Bulldogs receive NO compensation for him, it makes all contracts for footballers redundant !
 
I don't think that it is just the salary cap that is at stake here. Williams is PART of the way through a multiyear contract with the Bulldogs and wants to get out of it because he got a good offer from elsewhere. As far as I know the Bulldogs have honoured their side of the deal thus far (Slightly different in the Mark Gasnier case, as there is dispute about this point) so WHY can Williams just ignore a contract that he signed and walk out on his employer ? Potentially, if Williams is allowed to just walk off to French Rugby Union and the Bulldogs receive NO compensation for him, it makes all contracts for footballers redundant !
Yes, I am very concerned that dean Cox is going to walk out on the Eagles to play for The Dampier Stingrays.:D

The difference being is SBW fled overseas to a different league altogether.
 
$BW has opened up a great hole. I can't see him winning....yes there is a restraint of trade (money earning potential limited) but only to ensure parity of a successful and healthy competition.

Remove the salary cap and Australia's 16 richest people/companies/tv networks will be running the show. More than likely that won't happen and we will see 3-4 gun teams, 5-6 ok to crap teams. The rest will be gawwn!
 

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In response Mental Magpie, your idea that less teams, no cap, more players per team and free agency, is ridiculous. Less teams equals less games. T.V stations are not going to pay more for less product. Look at the AFL's theory that the two new teams will probably push the next rights deal over $1b. What will happen if there is less games played per week and over the season as a whole. If the AFL is thinking more games=more $$$, than the opposite to that would be less games=less $$$. You say that people will watch because of the increased quality but the quality is all relative. In the new "EPL" AFL last versus second last would generate the same amount of interest as 15th versus 16th in the current AFL. Last in the "EPL" AFL would be seen in the same light as Melbourne is this year.

We currently play 22 games with 16 sides in the comp. A 12 team competition where everyone plays eachother twice = 22 games. Amazing that! And guess what; a 14 team comp where teams play twice = 26 games!


6x22= 132 per week. 8x22= 176 weeks. Your idea of 26 games would push the regular season out to 28 weeks with 2 byes. Add in 4 weeks of NAB Cup and 4 weeks of finals would mean the entire football season would be 36 Weeks. No chance the AFLPA would agree to that.
 
$BW has opened up a great hole. I can't see him winning....yes there is a restraint of trade (money earning potential limited) but only to ensure parity of a successful and healthy competition.

Remove the salary cap and Australia's 16 richest people/companies/tv networks will be running the show. More than likely that won't happen and we will see 3-4 gun teams, 5-6 ok to crap teams. The rest will be gawwn!
You don't know much about law. Your logic seems to be "abolishing the salary cap is a bad idea and a judge will give this priority over a restrant of trade"?

Regardless what is good for the game, a restraint of trade is a restraint of trade and if anyone challenged it with a half decent lawyer, they'd win.

You know if a player refused an illicit drug test outside game time, and they challenged it in court, they win? Yep, even though they have signed a contract sayng "i will provide a urine/blodd sample for illicit drugs", they be able to refuse, go to court, and win.
 

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