Play Nice Random Chat Thread V

[DesertRoo]

Mate, he's given BILLIONS to fund Malaria treatment in the 3rd world. Do your homework, and by that I mean getting beyond twitter.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Mate.................did you get lost on your way to the latest Marvel movie?

 

[koshari]

2 months off moving and allready the packing boxes are beginning to pile up. looking forward to the move appears to have the enormity of our rebuild :-0

 

[Snake_Baker]

2 months off moving and allready the packing boxes are beginning to pile up. looking forward to the move appears to have the enormity of our rebuild :-0

You clearly have too much crap. Give some of it to the poor.

 

[DesertRoo]

Mate.................did you get lost on your way to the latest Marvel movie?

We’ve been through this before.. it’s Groundhog Day..
The guy spends billions on his image, you like that part.

 

[Del191229]

Throw in the drug war, poverty and a horrible starting point as the biggest factors. The father, culture and mentality stuff is overplayed quite a bit.

So apart from the racialised drug war and the horrible starting point of slavery, race has nothing to do with it.

Jeezus.

Look man, CRT isn't directed at YOU personally.

 

[Del191229]

Taxpayer funded, who initially wanted to help the world, turned into a profit making mechanism at the behest of the wealthiest man in the world, who claims to be a philanthropist?
Yeah nothing to see here, you’ve brought into the racquet.

As I understand it, Gates philanthropy only began in the 90s when he was having serious legal battles with anti trust regulators.

Call me a cynic right ... but seems more PR driven than anything else.

 

[koshari]

You clearly have too much crap. Give some of it to the poor.

i am the poor! the poor husband.

 

[koshari]

As I understand it, Gates philanthropy only began in the 90s when he was having serious legal battles with anti trust regulators.

Call me a cynic right ... but seems more PR driven than anything else.

the laws regarding philanthropy are also a bit more generous in the US.

Philanthropy and the U.S. Constitution | Learning to Give

Susan Borgman and Newell Grant Definition For over 225 years, The Constitution of the United Stateshas been at the center of all political structure in the United States.

www.learningtogive.org

 

[Val Keating]

Does Gates still want to shoot a rocket at the atmosphere to stop global warming?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

So apart from the racialised drug war and the horrible starting point of slavery, race has nothing to do with it.

Jeezus.

Look man, CRT isn't directed at YOU personally.

I see the drug war as a fundamentally class/economic issue, which has excaberted other things, including the poor starting point (poverty) in the late 1960s. Drug use overwhelmingly affects the poor for a reason. Viewing it all simply within the confines of race is far too narrow. I did say starting point (Going from the various changes in the 1960s, rather than the end of slavery) of something (actual systemic racism) that has not been present in society for some time, but left most African-Americans in a shit position. With the introduction of a crap ton of affirmative action and other policies designed to overcome legacy effects, then, at that point, other (non-race based) factors need to be accounted for. Some factors act on their own, i.e. the overall decline of two-parent households.


Or maybe I just don't like racist ideologies, what a novel idea...

Want me to post the racist fat chick with the whiteboard again, or the images of neo-segregated meeting rooms again?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Sport begins social media boycott

Football clubs, players and sporting bodies begin a four-day boycott of social media platforms to tackle abuse and discrimination.

www.google.com.au

 

[Val Keating]

I see the drug war as a fundamentally class/economic issue, which has excaberted other things, including the poor starting point (poverty) in the late 1960s. Drug use overwhelmingly affects the poor for a reason. Viewing it all simply within the confines of race is far too narrow. I did say starting point (Going from the various changes in the 1960s, rather than the end of slavery) of something (actual systemic racism) that has not been present in society for some time, but left most African-Americans in a sh*t position. With the introduction of a crap ton of affirmative action and other policies designed to overcome legacy effects, then, at that point, other (non-race based) factors need to be accounted for.


Or maybe I just don't like racist ideologies, what a novel idea...

Want me to post the racist fat chick with the whiteboard again, or the images of neo-segregated meeting rooms again?

Gets a bit messy when the cia introduced crack into black neighbourhoods

 

[DesertRoo]

As I understand it, Gates philanthropy only began in the 90s when he was having serious legal battles with anti trust regulators.

Call me a cynic right ... but seems more PR driven than anything else.

I’m conflicted, I personally haven’t touched a Microsoft run PC in close to two decades but I’ve been told by Twittface and Snake to do some research.

 

[Del191229]

I see the drug war as a fundamentally class/economic issue

Then you'd be 100 per cent wrong.

The Drug War was and is 100 per cent a racialised thing. Drug policing in the US started over the fear that blacks and hispanics were "luring" white women with drugs.

Nixon started the drug war as a way to signal to to white American he was cracking down on the Inner cities" aka black people.

None of this is opinion, it is fact.

Also, you can post whatever silly memes and pics from right wing websites you want, they're not an argument.

As I keep saying CRT is not aimed at you individually.

It is also something I have significant issues with, and don't buy the stupid automatic division into you either oppose it or support it.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Gets a bit messy when the cia introduced crack into black neighbourhoods

You mean the CIA's support of Contra-backed cartels in trafficking coke, and guns, to support the Reagan Doctrine's shady anti-communist agenda in Nicaragua. Do you think that was principally motivated by racism? Did the trafficing not affect other poor people of other races? Or was it out of shadowy political, intelligence and economic reasons that the CIA was involved and, consequently, there were negatively repercussions that overwhelmingly affected the Black community because they make up a significant percentage of the poor and population of destitute neighborhoods.

How the CIA Watched Over the Destruction of Gary Webb

Freshly-released CIA documents show how the largest U.S. newspapers helped the agency contain a groundbreaking exposé.

theintercept.com

In his CJR piece, Kornbluh said the series was “problematically sourced” and criticized it for “repeatedly promised evidence that, on close reading, it did not deliver.” It failed to definitively connect the story’s key players to the CIA, he noted, and there were inconsistencies in Webb’s timeline of events.

But Kornbluh also uncovered problems with the retaliatory reports described as “balanced” by the CIA. In the case of the L.A. Times, he wrote, the paper “stumbled into some of the same problems of hyperbole, selectivity, and credibility that it was attempting to expose” while ignoring declassified evidence (also neglected by the New York Times and the Washington Post) that lent credibility to Webb’s thesis. “Clearly, there was room to advance the contra/drug/CIA story rather than simply denounce it,” Kornbluh wrote.

The Mercury News was partially responsible “for the sometimes distorted public furor the stories generated,” Kornbluh said, but also achieved “something that neither the Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, nor The New York Times had been willing or able to do — revisit a significant story that had been inexplicably abandoned by the mainstream press, report a new dimension to it, and thus put it back on the national agenda where it belongs.”

 

[Del191229]

Gets a bit messy when the cia introduced crack into black neighbourhoods

Exactly, and with the wildly differing penalties for crack v powder cocaine, and the hugely different penalties black kids will got for marijuana possession in some states v white states now legalising for recreational use.

That the Drug War is/was not entirely racialised is the dumbest thing I've ever read on our board, Urquhart v Pendlebury thread included.

 

[Del191229]

I’m conflicted, I personally haven’t touched a Microsoft run PC in close to two decades but I’ve been told by Twittface and Snake to do some research.

Also, the idea that being philanthropic somehow means you can't be a massively nasty prick in business.

Andrew Carnegie was one of the greatest philanthropists in history.

And employed horrific employment and business practices to get that money.

Do they cancel each other out?

 

[Del191229]

You mean the CIA's support of Contra-backed cartels in trafficking coke, and guns, to support the Reagan Doctrine's shady anti-communist agenda in Nicaragua. Do you think that was principally motivated by racism?

They didn't push the crack into frigging Westchester did they mate?

 

[Snake_Baker]

i am the poor! the poor husband.

Get a trade in then.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I’m conflicted, I personally haven’t touched a Microsoft run PC in close to two decades but I’ve been told by Twittface and Snake to do some research.

I think I see where your issues arise.

 

[Only Forwards]

Also, the idea that being philanthropic somehow means you can't be a massively nasty prick in business.

Andrew Carnegie was one of the greatest philanthropists in history.

And employed horrific employment and business practices to get that money.

Do they cancel each other out?

Elite philanthropy is as much if not more about the maintenance of power as it is about doing good.

Elite philanthropy in the United States and United Kingdom in the new age of inequalities

Elite philanthropy—voluntary giving at scale by wealthy individuals, couples and families—is intimately bound up with the exercise of power by elites. This theoretically oriented review examines how ...

onlinelibrary.wiley.com

 

[Snake_Baker]

I see the drug war as a fundamentally class/economic issue, which has excaberted other things, including the poor starting point (poverty) in the late 1960s..........

It started as a race thing, and now it's a political/money thing.

 

[ferball]

The Brearley Letter

April 13, 2021

Dear Fellow Brearley Parents,

Our family recently made the decision not to reenroll our daughter at Brearley for the 2021-22 school year. She has been at Brearley for seven years, beginning in kindergarten. In short, we no longer believe that Brearley’s administration and Board of Trustees have any of our children’s best interests at heart. Moreover, we no longer have confidence that our daughter will receive the quality of education necessary to further her development into a critically thinking, responsible, enlightened, and civic minded adult. I write to you, as a fellow parent, to share our reasons for leaving the Brearley community but also to urge you to act before the damage to the school, to its community, and to your own child's education is irreparable.

It cannot be stated strongly enough that Brearley’s obsession with race must stop. It should be abundantly clear to any thinking parent that Brearley has completely lost its way. The administration and the Board of Trustees have displayed a cowardly and appalling lack of leadership by appeasing an anti-intellectual, illiberal mob, and then allowing the school to be captured by that same mob. What follows are my own personal views on Brearley's antiracism initiatives, but these are just a handful of the criticisms that I know other parents have expressed.

I object to the view that I should be judged by the color of my skin. I cannot tolerate a school that not only judges my daughter by the color of her skin, but encourages and instructs her to prejudge others by theirs. By viewing every element of education, every aspect of history, and every facet of society through the lens of skin color and race, we are desecrating the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and utterly violating the movement for which such civil rights leaders believed, fought, and died.

I object to the charge of systemic racism in this country, and at our school. Systemic racism, properly understood, is segregated schools and separate lunch counters. It is the interning of Japanese and the exterminating of Jews. Systemic racism is unequivocally not a small number of isolated incidences over a period of decades. Ask any girl, of any race, if they have ever experienced insults from friends, have ever felt slighted by teachers or have ever suffered the occasional injustice from a school at which they have spent up to 13 years of their life, and you are bound to hear grievances, some petty, some not. We have not had systemic racism against Blacks in this country since the civil rights reforms of the 1960s, a period of more than 50 years. To state otherwise is a flat-out misrepresentation of our country's history and adds no understanding to any of today's societal issues. If anything, longstanding and widespread policies such as affirmative action, point in precisely the opposite direction.

I object to a definition of systemic racism, apparently supported by Brearley, that any educational, professional, or societal outcome where Blacks are underrepresented is prima facie evidence of the aforementioned systemic racism, or of white supremacy and oppression. Facile and unsupported beliefs such as these are the polar opposite to the intellectual and scientific truth for which Brearley claims to stand. Furthermore, I call bullshit on Brearley's oft-stated assertion that the school welcomes and encourages the truly difficult and uncomfortable conversations regarding race and the roots of racial discrepancies.

I object to the idea that Blacks are unable to succeed in this country without aid from government or from whites. Brearley, by adopting critical race theory, is advocating the abhorrent viewpoint that Blacks should forever be regarded as helpless victims, and are incapable of success regardless of their skills, talents, or hard work. What Brearley is teaching our children is precisely the true and correct definition of racism.

I object to mandatory anti-racism training for parents, especially when presented by the rent-seeking charlatans of Pollyanna. These sessions, in both their content and delivery, are so sophomoric and simplistic, so unsophisticated and inane, that I would be embarrassed if they were taught to Brearley kindergarteners. They are an insult to parents and unbecoming of any educational institution, let alone one of Brearley's caliber.

I object to Brearley’s vacuous, inappropriate, and fanatical use of words such as “equity,” “diversity” and “inclusiveness.” If Brearley’s administration was truly concerned about so-called “equity,” it would be discussing the cessation of admissions preferences for legacies, siblings, and those families with especially deep pockets. If the administration was genuinely serious about “diversity,” it would not insist on the indoctrination of its students, and their families, to a single mindset, most reminiscent of the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Instead, the school would foster an environment of intellectual openness and freedom of thought. And if Brearley really cared about “inclusiveness,” the school would return to the concepts encapsulated in the motto “One Brearley,” instead of teaching the extraordinarily divisive idea that there are only, and always, two groups in this country: victims and oppressors.

l object to Brearley’s advocacy for groups and movements such as Black Lives Matter, a Marxist, anti family, heterophobic, anti-Asian and anti-Semitic organization that neither speaks for the majority of the Black community in this country, nor in any way, shape or form, represents their best interests.

I object to, as we have been told time and time again over the past year, that the school’s first priority is the safety of our children. For goodness sake, Brearley is a school, not a hospital! The number one priority of a school has always been, and always will be, education. Brearley’s misguided priorities exemplify both the safety culture and “cover-your-ass” culture that together have proved so toxic to our society and have so damaged the mental health and resiliency of two generations of children, and counting.

I object to the gutting of the history, civics, and classical literature curriculums. I object to the censorship of books that have been taught for generations because they contain dated language potentially offensive to the thin-skinned and hypersensitive (something that has already happened in my daughter's 4th grade class). I object to the lowering of standards for the admission of students and for the hiring of teachers. I object to the erosion of rigor in classwork and the escalation of grade inflation. Any parent with eyes open can foresee these inevitabilities should antiracism initiatives be allowed to persist.

We have today in our country, from both political parties, and at all levels of government, the most unwise and unvirtuous leaders in our nation’s history. Schools like Brearley are supposed to be the training grounds for those leaders. Our nation will not survive a generation of leadership even more poorly educated than we have now, nor will we survive a generation of students taught to hate its own country and despise its history.

Lastly, I object, with as strong a sentiment as possible, that Brearley has begun to teach what to think, instead of how to think. I object that the school is now fostering an environment where our daughters, and our daughters’ teachers, are afraid to speak their minds in class for fear of “consequences.” I object that Brearley is trying to usurp the role of parents in teaching morality, and bullying parents to adopt that false morality at home. I object that Brearley is fostering a divisive community where families of different races, which until recently were part of the same community, are now segregated into two. These are the reasons why we can no longer send our daughter to Brearley.

Over the past several months, I have personally spoken to many Brearley parents as well as parents of children at peer institutions. It is abundantly clear that the majority of parents believe that Brearley’s antiracism policies are misguided, divisive, counterproductive and cancerous. Many believe, as I do, that these policies will ultimately destroy what was until recently, a wonderful educational institution. But as I am sure will come as no surprise to you, given the insidious cancel culture that has of late permeated our society, most parents are too fearful to speak up.

But speak up you must. There is strength in numbers and I assure you, the numbers are there. Contact the administration and the Board of Trustees and demand an end to the destructive and anti-intellectual claptrap known as antiracism. And if changes are not forthcoming then demand new leadership. For the sake of our community, our city, our country and most of all, our children, silence is no longer an option.

Respectfully,

Andrew Gutmann

What a crock of shit.

 

[Snake_Baker]